Anyone know what this part is called?

InLaws2005LS said:
yes, the part with out a # lol

the one that holds it all together. the lincoln one is one piece, the jag is multiple... correct? i would rather get the jag one if it works
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I think that both are sold either way, but are apparently very hard to find. (AFAIK, the dealers only sell the complete assembly.) I could be wrong, but as best I can tell, the Jaguar part (any year) won't fit the gen II LS exactly. It has a port for a temperature sender and the bleed hose port points in a different direction.
 
joegr said:
I think that both are sold either way, but are apparently very hard to find. (AFAIK, the dealers only sell the complete assembly.) I could be wrong, but as best I can tell, the Jaguar part (any year) won't fit the gen II LS exactly. It has a port for a temperature sender and the bleed hose port points in a different direction.
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well, i can only find the complete assembly here. from lincoln. my wife works at advance auto parts, and she can get the jag one. so i guess i will go that route and just re route the bleed port. there is actually enough room to do it i am thinking. most all of it will be hidden anyway, so i dont think it will be a big deal. she has to order the part, so when i get it, ill let you know what the deal is. it has to work if it is basically the same part. if it doesnt work, then ill send it back, and go down to the radiator shop and see if i can get one made.
 
You'll have to find something to plug the temperature sensor port. Maybe just get the temperature sensor?
 
joegr said:
I would be tempted to argue that the material selected for the plastic was "poorly designed", but it did last for eleven or twelve years.
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They can make stuff out of material that lasts a lifetime but they do it on purpose to;
a.) save/justify cost on/during production
b.) make sure that after 10+ years it breaks down and forces the consumer to spend more money.

If they choose to make cars out of top notch material designed to last for ever, the cost of the initial purchase would be extremely high as they would have no opening of consumers wallets for repairs or new purchases later in time.

Cars in general are designed to last 7-10 years on average. Wear and tear designed just long enough to deteriorate and force the consumer to either spend money on repairs or purchase new car.

Usually right after the warranty runs out. (of course)
 
BigRigLS said:
... a.) save/justify cost on/during production
b.) make sure that after 10+ years it breaks down and forces the consumer to spend more money...
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I could be wrong, but I really don't think that item b is a design goal. I think that item a is the problem. If a large number of people were willing to pay twice as much to get a car that would last three times as long, that's what they would be designing and building.
 
joegr said:
I could be wrong, but I really don't think that item b is a design goal. I think that item a is the problem. If a large number of people were willing to pay twice as much to get a car that would last three times as long, that's what they would be designing and building.
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It's two fold Joe, they need to ensure the consumer spends more money later, rather sooner then later.

granted there will be the 1% that could afford to pay 3-5 times what a car would be worth if it was build with parts that outlasted human life but they'd (the manufacturers and retailers) would be left with little repeat consumer spending.

They can build cars that last forever, they just don't want to, it's bad for business. (EDIT: and too expensive)
For Instance the guy that invented the carburetor that ran on water, he got shot, remember him? he was bad for business!
 
Surely you don't really believe the carburetor nonsense!

I design products for a living and our customers probably see things the way you do. However, we never have a design goal for product failure. We have goals of it must last at least this long, and it must not cost more than this much to sell. We must meet those two goals. After that, we try to design it to last even longer and cost even less. There's never a thought that if it lasts too long, we will lose sales.

In the case of cars, most are retired long before they are impractical to maintain. Car companies push for replacement sales by adding new features and changing the looks (everyone will know you're driving last year's car). If they could make a car that lasts forever at the current cost, they would do it. Sure they would lose sales years from now, but all the executives that decided to sell the life long car would have cashed out by then from the fortune they would have initially made.

Also, if they could make a 100 MPG car that people actually wanted to drive, they'd do it. Oil companies wouldn't care about trying to stop it either. They'd just jump the cost of gas up to $20 a gallon.
 
joegr said:
Surely you don't really believe the carburetor nonsense! ...
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lol He Gone!

Yup, you could design cooling plumbing parts out of diamonds so they'd last forever but it wouldn't be justified.
Best case scenario would be to design something cost effective that will last a little while and simply have more ready (aka replacement parts)

yikes on the $20 a gallon BUT not far fetched at all, it just may happen within 10 years. never know.
 
Another huge factor in Joe/Bigrig's argument is the cost of the research involved. One of the clients I work with designs airplanes, boats, and automobile components and the cost to hire these individuals and have them conduct the research and etc. the costs are astronomical. It takes teams of individuals a long time to design a concept, then determine if it's even cost efficient to produce. This is why you haven't seen cars that run on Hydrogen even though GM supposedly dumped billions of dollars to fund the research of hydrogen based propulsion.
 
"Joe/Bigrig's argument"


it's not an argument ... just talking, expressing opinions, chewing the fat ... making sense of things.



actually jjcool00, that sounds a lot like whats going on at my wife's work right now,
they've had ORACLE professionals in for the past month to resolve a redundancy intermittent problem on the racks and they are RAPPING them on the invoicing and NOT producing any results to date. (have to ((pretend)) listen to it every night) She most pissed they take 1.5 hr lunches. LOL
 
That's exactly what an argument is! If I said a heated argument that would be different! :)

I work for a law firm so the word argument is thrown around pretty loosely, sorry hahahha
 
BigRigLS said:
actually jjcool00, that sounds a lot like whats going on at my wife's work right now,
they've had ORACLE professionals in for the past month to resolve a redundancy intermittent problem on the racks and they are RAPPING them on the invoicing and NOT producing any results to date. (have to ((pretend)) listen to it every night) She most pissed they take 1.5 hr lunches. LOL
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The sad part is that Oracle is not even specialized. The average person could become an Oracle expert in less than a year. The individuals the company I was referencing are considered "specialized" or "extraordinary" and they command salaries over 200-250k per year. Then you have to take into account their supervisors, project managers, etc.
 
Yikes +1 yeah they invoicing them LARGE.

anyhow ... //END THREAD JACK// (too guilty of this as of late)
 
Something else you're not considering; weight. Weight savings is one way to help with CAFE. Just like in racing, manufacturers look everywhere to save not only pounds but ounces! Tough to make a luxury car without pounds and pounds of sound-deadening material and heavy glass. That requires weight savings somewhere else. Modern plastics are as strong as similar metal parts and a fraction of the cost. I wouldn't look to carbon fiber just yet. How well does it standup to the hot/cold cycles of a daily driver? Once it's proven (as long as it is) I'm sure it will replace plastic as the material of choice as the cost keeps falling.

Even if they made a life-long car (know any substance that can withstand water, salt, chemicals, acids,hot, cold, etc.?) people would still buy new cars. Technology changes and there are people who will always have to have the latest/greatest product. Is the smart phone any better a phone than a cell phone from 15 years ago?
 
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