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what would be the best glue to patch these after cutting them off? a high heat epoxy or just regular plastic expoxy?

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I was thinking of using JB Weld with some sort of bendable material to cover up the holes...

If all else fails, theirs always LIQUID NAILS!
 
Actually, cut it off in the middle of the "mount" for it, then you have a flat surface you can just cut a piece of something and glue it on there
 
before you do that, you probably should realize that those things are "far more" than sound deadening devices....

heimholtz resonators is what they actually are, and they do far more than just make your intake "quieter".

arm yourself with real data, and dont do things just because someone else did it.
 
Lincoln Jealous said:
im not saying they arent important, but why wouldnt these be included with the aftermarket upgrade aluminum tube then?
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because aftermarket designers often overlook important stuff the design engineers add.

If you do not understand what "standing pressure waves" are and what effect they could have on your MAF, and the resulting issues that can/will cause with your car..
your best bet is to ignore those ugly things and concentrate on more "viable and trusted" mods that actually do something other than cause/create more issues.
 
Lincoln Jealous said:
i read that page you suggested, and i just understand that the more cold air into the engine the better, if can somehow upgrade this, it would be beneficial for the engine, so why wouldn't making a quicker flow of air not be the best?
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Do you think those things have ANY effect on the speed of the air traveling thru your intake?

and how does the presence or lack of these devices have any bearing on "colder air" into the engine?

the answers to both the above are "NO".
..sorry
 
XLRVIII said:
because aftermarket designers often overlook important stuff the design engineers add.

If you do not understand what "standing pressure waves" are and what effect they could have on your MAF, and the resulting issues that can/will cause with your car..
your best bet is to ignore those ugly things and concentrate on more "viable and trusted" mods that actually do something other than cause/create more issues.
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so do you believe keeping car stock is best or would i have to change the maf sensor just because i want a custom cai?
 
XLRVIII said:
Do you think those things have ANY effect on the speed of the air traveling thru your intake?

and how does the presence or lack of these devices have any bearing on "colder air" into the engine?

the answers to both the above are "NO".
..sorry
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didnt that page you suggested talk about the velocity through the intake tube? so whatever little effect these extra plastic things are, i dont think it would make that big of a diffrence other then a more direct flow of air, from the cai filter into the throttle body
 
Unless you can show data that shows that you have "pegged" the voltage on the stock maf, there is NO performance gain to changing to a different or larger maf.

"wanting" and "needing" are two different things
you "want" a CAI, but does your car "NEED" one?

you need to datalog your ACT sensor BEFORE making any changes, especially in regards to CAI.

I'd be willing to bet there is a ZERO degree decrease from taking the stock air box and tube out, and putting a CAI kit on that will invariably allow hot engine air to enter the intake manifold.

I had an open element filter on the end of my maf and the ACT temps WENT UP... so I used the data provided, and listened to what my car was telling me and went back to the stock air box and paper filter

The car went faster with the stock box, stock filter than it did with 300.00 of aftermarket JUNK attached to the intake tube.
 
XLRVIII said:
Unless you can show data that shows that you have "pegged" the voltage on the stock maf, there is NO performance gain to changing to a different or larger maf.

"wanting" and "needing" are two different things
you "want" a CAI, but does your car "NEED" one?

you need to datalog your ACT sensor BEFORE making any changes, especially in regards to CAI.

I'd be willing to bet there is a ZERO degree decrease from taking the stock air box and tube out, and putting a CAI kit on that will invariably allow hot engine air to enter the intake manifold.

I had an open element filter on the end of my maf and the ACT temps WENT UP... so I used the data provided, and listened to what my car was telling me and went back to the stock air box and paper filter

The car went faster with the stock box, stock filter than it did with 300.00 of aftermarket JUNK attached to the intake tube.
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haha is that where all this hostility is coming from, im sorry you spent 300, but im just tryin to give my car more rwhp and to breath better and i also am going to build a custom heat shield to prevent any engine hot air in getting into the cold air flow
 
Lincoln Jealous said:
haha is that where all this hostility is coming from, im sorry you spent 300, but im just tryin to give my car more rwhp and to breath better and i also am going to build a custom heat shield to prevent any engine hot air in getting into the cold air flow
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Yes, and he's just trying to warn you that you will probably be decreasing rwhp, not increasing it. Of course, when you are done you will believe that you have more power, but if you had measured it, you would likely find otherwise.
 
I had a custom heat sheild on mine too....
and by no means am I giving you any hostility..
just good solid data gleaned from almost a half a million miles of driving experience with this car.

You sound like your mind is all made up, so all the data and advice in the world wont change your mind.

So.. go get you some glue, chop those useless things off and patch the holes and forget I said anything about em...

Your ALL SET BRO and you understand more about this than "I" do..
M'kay?

is that better?

Dont confuse my 300.00 purchase with ignorance.

FWIW:I've probably backed my car UP further than you've driven yours forwards...
AND.. when you log 1150+ miles of WOT...get back to me
 
Lincoln Jealous said:
and to breath better and i also am going to build a custom heat shield to prevent any engine hot air in getting into the cold air flow
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unless this box is 100% sealed from the engine comparment, then you dont actually realize how much vacuum and how much hot air something like this CAN actually pull into an engine.

try to stick with KNOWN mods, not "internet hype mods".

REAL mods, like Gears, tune, exhaust that will actually have some impact on performance.

This intake mod your contemplating has "ZERO gains" writtten all over it.
 
joegr said:
Yes, and he's just trying to warn you that you will probably be decreasing rwhp, not increasing it. Of course, when you are done you will believe that you have more power, but if you had measured it, you would likely find otherwise.
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+ a bazillion!

I guess I was typing in english, because YOU understood what I was trying to say.

and you are 100% correct about "the placebo effect" of these kinds of mods and how they will "fool" the "butt-0-meter" into making the person BELEIVE they have more power.

Since they "expect" more power, they will perceive more power, even if they LOST power..the additional noise will make them THINK they have more power.

butt-0-meters lie..100% of the time
 
Lincoln Jealous said:
but also to the people would added a cai to their LS, i dont understand why no one has yet to complained, especially those who got dyno runs
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The placebo effect in FULL FORCE!

unless you dyno the car in both forms on the same day, the dyno comparison is invalid.

you would have to dyno the car stock, then change ONLY the intake and re-test...anything less than that is "not a test".

Show me some before and after dyno sheets where nothing except the intake was changed with a CAI.
I can assure you "that data" simply doesnt exist..

unless you go to the CAI manufacturers website..and if you "trust" the manufacturers website to be HONEST and unbiased then I'm sure I can find a NJ bridge to sell to you.
 
XLRVIII said:
unless this box is 100% sealed from the engine comparment, then you dont actually realize how much vacuum and how much hot air something like this CAN actually pull into an engine.

try to stick with KNOWN mods, not "internet hype mods".

REAL mods, like Gears, tune, exhaust that will actually have some impact on performance.

This intake mod your contemplating has "ZERO gains" writtten all over it.
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So, K&N is lying? Check out the '05 T-Bird installation.
 
LS4me said:
So, K&N is lying? Check out the '05 T-Bird installation.
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OH.. puleeeeze..

Do you really believe the things an aftermarket vendor says on their website?
that's a very fair and unbiased place to find information now..isn't it.

If my sarcasm didn't come out properly

then I'm gonna say HELL YES.. K&N LIED!

it's very easy to "fudge" dyno numbers, as easily as re-dynoing a COLD car versus a hot car. Every 10 degree's is 2% HP that easily can be 18-20HP.

Turning on the air conditioning in the dyno cell and dropping the temp from 100 degree's down to 70 could easily net you 20HP.

Just the way the cars tires are positioned ON the Dyno rollers can have a drastic effect on the actual HP reported.

again..

YES.. K&N lied!
 
as long as the cai is sucking in cold air, the engine will have better performance, it is basicly what a supercharger is, more air into the engine producing better performance, the air filter needs to be where the coldest air will be sucked up, thats all, i dont understand why you lost hp, you must have been sucking in more hot air then a stock air box
 
Lincoln Jealous said:
but why would people that are very educated in this , choose a cai over stock? for looks or sounds, i doubt it, it has to be a performance gain!
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Because "experienced or not" many people fall prey to "internet hype" and "manufacturers inflated claims"....

it takes a very honest person to admit that they "wasted money to make their car slow down"..

I dont think your gonna find TOO MANY people who will "swallow their pride" and ADMIT they made a mistake.. as I did in this thread.

People would rather you "do the wrong thing, make the same mistake they did" than to be HONEST and come out and say...
"I made a mistake".

Feel free to "follow the crowd" after all, there are more of THEM then there are of ME, and people who "actually KNOW".

If your looking for a "majority" of people to agree with what I am saying, it simply "isn't gonna happen".

Follow the crowd, they couldn't possibly steer you wrong.
 
I dunno, I'm liking the affect of my KKM intake and since it's cold 300 days out of the year here in WA Im' sure the weather would also affect the cold air coming into the cone......
 
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