THE Obama lawsuit to follow

There is no way you can logically conclude that. They didn't comment on it. you are speculating and assuming it is true.


Well, I don't see it going before the highest court in the land, which had it dropped at their door step.
Apparently they thought it was a dead issue , or they would have gone forward with it.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
In other words, it was "dead in the water" before it was heard, because the fact is, it wasn't heard.
Bob.
 
Look, if you read some of my other post concerning Obama, you will see that he was the person that I most wanted to see defeated.
He wasn't, and his win has moved me to see what is in store for our country with him at the helm....
I fully expect he will rule with an iron fist.....
I hope he will live up too my expectations of him.
Somehow I belive he will.
Bob.

That's rather troubling, don't you think?
 
The two cases are different. You are making a false analogy. But being irrational and distortion opposing points of view is expected of you.:rolleyes:


I'm right...you're wrong. They are NOT different. One of the suits was filed against BOTH McCain AND Obama challenging BOTH of their status as eligible for President. Obama because he was perhaps Kenyan/Indonesian and against McCain because he was born in a military hospital in a foreign country.

No sir...I am correct. The suit challenged both. So again....if it was McCain that got in...would everyone here be contesting his citizenship with the fervor they are with Obamas?? Would everyone be rooting for the SCOTUS to deem McCain ineligible on a Constitutional basis?
 
There is no way you can logically conclude that. They didn't comment on it. you are speculating and assuming it is true.

From the LA Times today: "The court's dismissal means that the minimum four justices did not deem it worthy of an actual hearing."

Otherwise...if the justices felt it had merit, why would they dismiss it?? Does the SCOTUS generally dismiss cases that they feel has merit?? (I'm no expert on the ins and outs of the SCOTUS...so I'm asking a legit question here)
 
Would everyone be rooting for the SCOTUS to deem McCain ineligible on a Constitutional basis?

Not everyone. Personally, I don't think that the founding father's deliberately wanted to make it difficult for the child of two American citizens, with a forced to serve in the military outside of the country to be the President. I don't think that's consistent with the original intention of the founders. There's no inherent issue of allegiance in that example. And in McCain's case you get into the issue of "territories" and the precedent there....

Though I wouldn't object to the constitutional challenge or the debate surrounding it.

But rest assured, HAD McCain won the election, we would absolutely see this issue being pressed. There were outstanding lawsuits regarding McCain's eligibility.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html
 
From the LA Times today: "The court's dismissal means that the minimum four justices did not deem it worthy of an actual hearing."

Otherwise...if the justices felt it had merit, why would they dismiss it?? Does the SCOTUS generally dismiss cases that they feel has merit?? (I'm no expert on the ins and outs of the SCOTUS...so I'm asking a legit question here)

In all honesty, a justice can dismiss a case for any reason they want. It's really rather fuzzy. Even if they disagree with a decision, they might dismiss the case because there was no procedural error in the lower court.
 
From the LA Times today: "The court's dismissal means that the minimum four justices did not deem it worthy of an actual hearing."

Otherwise...if the justices felt it had merit, why would they dismiss it?? Does the SCOTUS generally dismiss cases that they feel has merit?? (I'm no expert on the ins and outs of the SCOTUS...so I'm asking a legit question here)

For those who may not understand some slang expressions, Let me quote here,"did not deem it worthy of an actual hearing."
In other words, "Dead in the water".
Bob.
 
In all honesty, a justice can dismiss a case for any reason they want. It's really rather fuzzy. Even if they disagree with a decision, they might dismiss the case because there was no procedural error in the lower court.

Thanks for clearing it up...but just so I'm clear:

Even if the minimum four Justices agree the case has merit, they might still dismiss it? That seems a bit odd is all.....
 
Not everyone. Personally, I don't think that the founding father's deliberately wanted to make it difficult for the child of two American citizens, with a forced to serve in the military outside of the country to be the President. I don't think that's consistent with the original intention of the founders. There's no inherent issue of allegiance in that example. And in McCain's case you get into the issue of "territories" and the precedent there....

Though I wouldn't object to the constitutional challenge or the debate surrounding it.

But rest assured, HAD McCain won the election, we would absolutely see this issue being pressed. There were outstanding lawsuits regarding McCain's eligibility.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html

I know it would proceed...since it was filed/put in motion before the outcome of the election. My question was whether the Obama detractors here would be rallying to get McCain deemed ineligible with the same enthusiasm as they are against Obama.

For some reason, I kinda doubt it...
 
From the LA Times today: "The court's dismissal means that the minimum four justices did not deem it worthy of an actual hearing."

Otherwise...if the justices felt it had merit, why would they dismiss it?? Does the SCOTUS generally dismiss cases that they feel has merit?? (I'm no expert on the ins and outs of the SCOTUS...so I'm asking a legit question here)

Yeah, cite the LA times. That is a reliable source.

The LA Times is speculating when they say that the four justices did not "deem it worthy of an actual hearing".

As Calabrio pointed out, the justices can dismiss the case for whatever reason they want. Ideally, the LA Times would be correct in that a dismissal would mean the the no more then three justices felt the case was worthy of a hearing. But we don't live in an ideal world. Any number of factors could have influenced their decision.

As many of us conservatives have voiced on this forum, there would be a huge fallout if this case were to go to trial and find Obama ineligible to be president. Riots, etc. would be a definate, as well as it being unclear how the government would proceed in such a circumstance; there is nothing in the Constitution about such a situation. Would Biden become the president-elect? Would the Bush admin stay in power until another election is held? Would another election be held? Any answer to these questions is based on speculation and nothing else as their is no Constitutional precedent to answer such questions.

And that is the case with any claim about why the court rejected the case. Unless you hear it from a direct source (a justice), your guess is as good and as weak as mine as to why the rejected it. Was it due to the merits of the case, the potential fallouts of any potential ruling in the case, maybe a view that it isn't the court's place to decide this issue (I could see Scalia voting against it for this reason). Any of those (and a number of other) options is equally viable, given the information that the populations knows. So, anyone drawing a conclusion about the merits of the case due to the rejection by the court is talking out their @$$.
 
I know it would proceed...since it was filed/put in motion before the outcome of the election. My question was whether the Obama detractors here would be rallying to get McCain deemed ineligible with the same enthusiasm as they are against Obama.

For some reason, I kinda doubt it...

The situations are completely different, so you are asking a leading question, because your question assumes that the cases are similar in such a way as to not be a false analogy to compare the two.

McCain was born to two American citizens. There is no question of that fact. With Obama...it is not clear. His father wasn't an American citizen, and it is unclear weather his mother would count as such for the purposes of determining their son's status as a natural born citizen under U.S. law.

Just because you are born on American soil does not necessarily make you a "natural born citizen" under the legal definition. It makes you a citizen, but not necessarily a "natural born citizen" under the legal definition. Remember, legal definitions are very specific, so just because most people would view a birth on American soil as making one a "natural born citizen" under their general definition, that doesn't mean the the law would agree with that definition.
 
^^I don't think it's a loaded question..since others here have said it's not even about Obama (if you believe them)....it's more about keeping the constitution intact......
 
These petitioners are IMO false patriots and scoundrels working against the the will of the people and the best interests of their own country.

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
-- Samuel Johnson

Nowhere is it written that the American Empire goes on forever.
They seem to think they can somehow save (their) US by destroying it.
The courts will keep disrespecting and dismissing these cases.


A case of Obamaddiction.
 
Oh, Bryan - the 19-year-old thing...

Dunham was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born. But subsequent acts of Congress relaxed the requirement to five years in the U.S., including just two years after the age of 14, meaning Dunham could have been 16 and still qualified.

Plus, up until Polk or so all of our Presidents had parents who were British. In the grandfather clause they don't state anything about parentage. In fact nothing about 'natural born citizen' does it state anything about parentage.

Did the founding fathers believe your parent's citizenship defined who you were? They didn't believe that their parent's citizenship defined who they were. Heck, they didn't even think that their own, personal, past citizenship defined who they were.

But, since this is classic conspiracy theory these things will go on forever - where one dies or is dismissed another one will be found.

And, ah no, Mr Rocket, I don't believe the right would have been hunting the constitutionality of McCain's 'natural born citizen' claims with such vigor. And what is more telling, neither would the left.

Remember conspiracy theorists are afraid of the unknown, and replace anger in it's stead.
 
Dunham was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born. But subsequent acts of Congress relaxed the requirement to five years in the U.S., including just two years after the age of 14, meaning Dunham could have been 16 and still qualified.

Considering your poor ability to analyse these things due to your own bias clouding your judgement, I want links and citation of the actual "acts" of Congress so I can analyse those things for myself before I accept this point...

Plus, up until Polk or so all of our Presidents had parents who were British. In the grandfather clause they don't state anything about parentage. In fact nothing about 'natural born citizen' does it state anything about parentage.

Yet more proof of your intellectual dishonesty due to bias...:rolleyes:

The grandfather clause has absolutely nothing to do with this case. It is a red herring, nothing more. To try and cite it as having some sort of precedent or insight in the the desires of the Framers is exceedingly dishonest and only serves to cloud the issue...
 
This article is a real good explanation of the situation and what it means, as well as providing some new information I wasn't aware of from the 20th Amendment...

By Randall Hoven

On Monday, the Supreme Court decided not to hear the Donofrio case concerning whether Barack Obama is a natural born citizen and therefore qualified to be President. Also, David Horowitz diagnosed those who claim Obama is not natural born as being afflicted with "Obama Derangement Syndrome." Horowitz told people to "shut up about the birth certificate."

A bad day for those of us in tin-foil hats. Even Michelle Malkin is against us .

Mr. Horowitz whizzes right by the issue of whether or not Obama is Constitutionally qualified. He simply says it doesn't matter. He asked,
"What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on U.S. soil?"
When the US Constitution is clear on a matter, we are not supposed to re-think "what difference does it make to the future of this country." If we do this re-thinking at every step, we would not need a Constitution; we would merely cogitate on how proposal X will affect our future. In short, no need for a Constitution.

In this case, the Constitution is very clear. Article II, Section 1 states, "no person except a natural born citizen ... shall be eligible to the Office of President." No fuzz there. No need to look into penumbras and emanations. If a guy ain't natural born, he can't be President.

But, the election already happened. Too late, right? That's Horowitz's contention.
"How viable will our Constitution be if five Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?"
Again, the Constitution is clear on this in the 20th Amendment.
"If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified ..." [My emphasis.]
The US Constitution tells us exactly what to do in the current situation. The election is not some kind of deadline. Even the true election by Electors is not the deadline. The deadline is "the time fixed for the beginning of his term." That would be January 20, 2009. We have not yet reached the Constitutional deadline. The Constitution even hints that there is, or should be, some kind of qualification process: "if the President elect shall have failed to qualify." (By the way, that part of the Constitution was not written by dead white guys some 200 years ago; the 20th Amendment was ratified in 1933.)

If we find that Obama is not natural born, then the Constitution says Joe Biden shall be President until the President thing gets sorted out. Everything about that is horrible. Unfortunately, it is exactly what the Constitution says we shall do. It does not "suggest"; it says "shall."

Are we to apply the Constitution only in cases where it is convenient to do so?

Those of us concerned about this, at least some of us, are not driven by keeping Obama out of office. Look, we're talking President Biden. We're talking disqualifying the first African-American to be elected President. We are talking Constitutional, existential crisis. Riots in the street, even civil war, maybe. This is a very bad situation.

But for all I know, there is a simple way to get past this. Perhaps some kind of retroactive re-definition of "natural born" that would handle Obama's particular technicality. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. I'm actually hoping someone knows a clean way out of this.

For all I know, the facts of this case could turn out to be wonderful: Barack Obama is indeed natural born and we all live happily ever after. But the facts are key here. If he is not natural born, we should not ignore that fact.

Unfortunately, the facts are not clear. Multiple witnesses say Obama was born outside the US, that his father was not a US citizen and his mother was a minor. If those are the facts, he was not "natural born" per the laws in place at the time. Other cases have advanced different arguments challenging Obama's eligibility under the natural born citizen clause.

As much as we wish the bad thing to go away, the "evidence" brought forth to prove Obama's natural born status is next to non-existent, despite what you might have read or heard. Yes, there was a birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper at the time. Yes, the state of Hawaii said his birth certificate has been verified. Yes, we've seen Obama's birth certificate and it says he was born in Honolulu.

Each of these claims falls apart upon the slightest examination. For those of you tired of the subject, skip to my Conclusion. For anyone curious about the evidence presented to prove Obama's natural born status, read on.

The Birth Announcement. A birth announcement in a newspaper means nothing. Although Michelle Malkin waxed a little snarky on this, "Did a fortune-teller place it in the paper knowing he would run for president?", it is fairly common to run such announcements for babies born outside the area of the announcement or even the US. Proud grandparents, for example, could have run the announcement just to let people know they are now grandparents.

The announcement is not exactly informative . It says "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, son. Aug 4." That's it. It ran on page B-6 of the August 13, 1961 edition of The Sunday Advertiser. It is not an official document of any kind and makes no claim of the location of his birth in any case. It announces a birth, period.

The "Verification." Here is how the story was reported by KITV .
"The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate."
That looks pretty black and white -- at first glance. And that is how it normally gets reported. But read it again and then the whole article. The above statement simply says the birth certificate is legitimate. The actual quote from the Department of Health director is
"I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
All they did was verify that Obama's original birth certificate is on record. But that doesn't tell us what we need to know. What we need to know is where he was born.

Surprisingly, Hawaii happens to issue birth certificates for babies born outside Hawaii. The Hawaiian law on that states:
"Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."
The state of Hawaii did not say what was on the certificate and it won't release a copy out of privacy considerations. The state of Hawaii simply verified that Obama has a birth certificate on record; it did not verify that he was born in Hawaii.

The released birth certificate. It is often claimed that Obama has already released his birth certificate. What we have is an online copy via the web site FightTheSmears.com. There are several significant questions about this certificate.
  • Did this really come from Obama? Is FightTheSmears an official conduit of information from Obama?
  • How genuine is the document? Is it a photo-shopped or Microsoft Word fake, ala Dan Rather's memo? (I am not a forensic documentarian, so I will remain silent here. Snopes says it isn't a forgery.)
  • The document itself says, "Any alterations invalidate this certificate" and it has been altered by, at least, a redacted certificate number.
  • Most importantly, rendering the previous points moot, this is not Obama's original birth certificate (the "long form") and thus does not tell us what we need to know. Even if totally genuine, it is not the document necessary to prove he was born in Hawaii.
As Joe the Farmer reported in the American Thinker ,
"Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program. From its web site: ‘In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.'"
The essence of the complaint is that the "Certification of Live Birth" that is used by FightTheSmears, the Annenberg Political FactCheck and others does not have the same information as an original birth certificate, including location of birth.

Conclusion. The irony is that this would not take a protracted trial with tons of evidence and counter-evidence, examination and cross-examination, expert testimony from forensic anthropologists, or satellite imagery. All it should take is for Obama to authorize the release his original birth certificate, the "long form", the one the state of Hawaii says it has on record.

That's it; release the real certificate. If the "long form" birth certificate says Obama was born in the US, I think we are done.

Hurray!

But even if it doesn't, we are not in Constitutional crisis or civil war just yet. Real lawyers could review the law and determine that Obama's birth circumstances still meet the "natural born" criteria. Let's get this issue out of the newspapers and the blogs and into a courtroom. A courtroom, you know, where facts and the law are dealt with in this country.

But if that doesn't end it, we are still not in a crisis. Legislators could come up with some kind of retro-active legislation. I hear it's been done before. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but it doesn't seem hopeless.

Only if all of the above fail prior to January 20, 2009, would we be required to follow the Constitutional remedy of installing President Biden.

I think this series of actions is what lawyers call due process and due diligence. That, in my mind, is what we should be doing rather ignoring the entire matter because it is so unpleasant. We should also not be rope-a-doping the legal situation just to push the issue past January 20, 2009. Simply address the issue in a straightforward legal and Constitutional manner. That's all I ask.

But please, do not tell us to deny the facts, ignore the Constitution and "shut up." George Orwell reminded us that
"Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. If that is granted, all else follows."
Two plus two makes four. And the US President must be natural born.
 
Sec. 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United
States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an
alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
the birth of such person, was physically present in the United
States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods
totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were
after attaining the age of fourteen years:

It goes to the thing if Obama was born in Kenya - it is irrelevant since he was born in the US.

And I am sorry - I thought that you had used the grandfather clause in the past to site something about parentage - it was Bryan - I have earlier stated that you can't use the grandfather clause - that it 'grandfathered' itself out of existence long ago. I stated it here to 'disarm' what I thought you were going to 'arm' yourself with because I mistakenly had thought you used it to back your argument in the past. Once again I apologize - my mistake.

So, where in law does it state parentage has anything to do with natural born citizenship, as long as you are born on US soil...
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof;

- I have searched for that and can't find it - do you have it Shag?

Where do the founding fathers ever state that parentage has anything to do with being a natural born citizen? I can't find anything on that either, can you? You would have to go with something that was implied - and even that is pretty sketchy.
 
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^^I don't think it's a loaded question..since others here have said it's not even about Obama (if you believe them)....it's more about keeping the constitution intact......

Others saying (and I would agree) that this is more about keeping the Constitution intact doesn't change the fact that your question is a loaded question.

All that is needed for your question to be a loaded question is that it, "presupposes something that has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved" which is does by assuming that the cases are similar enough to be logically comparable.

In fact, the comparison your question makes is based on a false analogy. The cases of Obama and McCain are completely different, in the way in which their citizen status might be challenged.

The only challenge of McCain is due to the place of his birth and doesn't concern his parents at all. If it were shown to be a valid critique, the McCain would be shown to not be an American citizen at all.

The challenge of Obama is more specific; it challenges his status as a legally "natural born citizen" due to his parents and their citizenship status under U.S. law at the time. It is not at all dependant on his place of birth and, if true, would only prove that he is not a "natural born citizen".

So the case of McCain and Obama is completely different and is logically inappropriate to compare the two. To compare them is to make an illogical false analogy. One case hinges on the place of birth and would show someone to not be a U.S. citizen at all, and the other case hinges on the parent's status at the time of birth and would only prove the person to not be a "natural born citizen".

They are completely different in enough of a meaningful sense for the comarison you make to prove it to be a false analogy.

Not only that, but it is an ad hominem attack on those of us questioning Obama's natural born status that only serves as a red herring.

The argument is ment to show a double standard on the part of those of us questioning Obama's natural born status. Even if there is a double standard, it in no way logically says anything about the credibility of the claim that Obama is not a natural born citizen.
 
Sec. 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United
States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an
alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
the birth of such person, was physically present in the United
States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods
totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were
after attaining the age of fourteen years:

Ok, then the question is, when was this law put into effect? Was it in effect when Obama was born? It is rather...unclear in the language of that law which portions went into effect when...

Also, I just skimmed it, but I never found the term "natural born citizen" in any part of that law. Remember, laws are very specific in their terminology. It only talks about Nationals and citizens of the U.S. at birth. That doesn't necessarily mean that it says anything about status as a natural born citizen, and you cannot simply assume that.

a good place to start would be to find the definition, under U.S. law of what a "National" is...

So, where in law does it state parentage has anything to do with natural born citizenship - I have searched for that and can't find it - do you have it Shag?

Where do the founding fathers ever state that parentage has anything to do with being a natural born citizen? I can't find anything on that either, can you? You would have to go with something that was implied - and even that is pretty sketchy.

I have to run to a final right now, so I don't have time to look this up. But the Framers were rather vague and that was later fleshed out in the SCOTUS. Everything I have seen indicates that being a natural born citizen is dependant on the parentage of the child (the law you cite would seem to support that as well).

Weather or not that is consistent with what the Framers wanted can be questioned, but a good place to start would be the SCOTUS case law on this subject and the reasoning behind the various rulings.
 
Good luck on your final Shag - Hope it is one of your poli classes - you'll ace it!

I didn't know when the law applied either - it was amended in 1986 - but at the bottom of that section (sorry, I guess I could have just pasted more - I really didn't notice this part - otherwise I would have put it in...)

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United
States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an
alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
the birth of such person, was physically present in the United
States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods
totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were
after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any
periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United
States, or periods of employment with the United States
Government or with an international organization as that term is
defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any
periods during which such citizen parent is physically present
abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of
the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed
Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States
Government or an international organization as defined in section
288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the
physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso
shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24,
1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its
present form on that date; and

(h) a person born ...


So, I wonder if there will be a whole - can the law make you a 'retroactive' citizen... It can - lots of precedent there -

But this section really doesn't matter - Obama was born on US soil... so none of this section is applicable to his case.

As an interesting note while rooting around I found out that Berg is also a 9/11 truthist - he called for the world leaders to arrest Bush and Cheney for global crimes...

Once a conspiracy theorist, always a conspiracy theorist...;)

And have you looked at the SCOTUS case regarding Wong Kim Ark - it is pretty conclusive - I believe that the court would have to overturn this case (190 U.S. 649) to proceed with Obama's case.

I did add the law into my earlier post - but had to edit it in - sorry - probably while you were writing your response... This is the first section of US Law 1401 which states what a natural born citizen is... You really only have to be born on US soil - the first section, which Obama falls into, since he was born on US soil. This section of the law doesn't state anything about parents. Unlike all the other sections which deal with the case if you aren't born on US soil...

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

See, nothing about parents... just be dropped here in the good ol' USA. And a "person" - those half alpha centurions don't qualify... :)

I suppose if your parents had diplomatic immunity you might not qualify - because you wouldn't be subject to US jurisdiction - but everyone else is subject to our jurisdiction, if on our soil. Even illegal immigrants are subject to our laws. They can be tried and convicted in our legal system.
 
For those who may not understand some slang expressions, Let me quote here,"did not deem it worthy of an actual hearing."
In other words, "Dead in the water".
Bob.

Let me quote here....

First, reading is fundamental....try it.

They had Donofrio's case in front of them that had all procedural issues regarding it because it was sabotaged at the State Court level and the Supreme Court level in the clerk's office.

Wrotnowski's case is sent up and they send it Anthrax screening to again delay the process. But Wrotnowski said 'F' you and took 10 copies right to the front door.

The Justices know they have Donofrio's case in front of them AND THEY KNOW they just Donofrio's (actually Wrotnowski's case but Donofrio wrote it) new and improved case.

So the JUSTICES met and they did talk about the Donofrio case on Friday. But Justice Scalia had just received the Wrotnowski case the same day with the same argument. Having 2 suits before them, one with baggage from the sabotage and one without, one that was hurriedly put together to stop the election and one with more thorough arguments and better citations, they DID THE COMMON SENSE thing, pass on the 1st one (Donofrio) and decide to talk about the second one (Wrotnowski) on the 12th.

:bang :bang Sometimes just a tiny bit of common sense goes along way.:Bang :Bang I guess not here though.:rolleyes:
 

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