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Speed-Cal
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AbrahamLincoln
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i know what speedo gear i have its the one for 3.73's. I think its blue or green. the one from the factory was blue or green so its one or the other.
The speedo gear for 4.10's is 20 bucks from most vendors and they have to be replaced X number of miles because they are "flimsy".
and I was basing this orange gear based on the chart that I saw, which only had dips settings for just rear end swaps, no 7 to 8 tooth output shaft changes. I figured if orange calibrates 8 tooth for 7tooth. I could use that as a base. But after calling Dallas today, I set 1 and 4 dips "UP" drive 10 actual miles while resetting my trip to see how many mailes i actually went. With that info he can calibrate the cal regardless of what gear is in there.
It doesn't come with a chart, and the website that they list for the chart isn't on there website anymore. So that link above is pretty sweet. I'll let you guys know how the install getting stuff together to figure this out.
I may just ziptie it under the car right quick so i can get the right dip settings before DM closes in a couple hours.
The speedo gear for 4.10's is 20 bucks from most vendors and they have to be replaced X number of miles because they are "flimsy".
and I was basing this orange gear based on the chart that I saw, which only had dips settings for just rear end swaps, no 7 to 8 tooth output shaft changes. I figured if orange calibrates 8 tooth for 7tooth. I could use that as a base. But after calling Dallas today, I set 1 and 4 dips "UP" drive 10 actual miles while resetting my trip to see how many mailes i actually went. With that info he can calibrate the cal regardless of what gear is in there.
It doesn't come with a chart, and the website that they list for the chart isn't on there website anymore. So that link above is pretty sweet. I'll let you guys know how the install getting stuff together to figure this out.
I may just ziptie it under the car right quick so i can get the right dip settings before DM closes in a couple hours.
AbrahamLincoln
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Damn this is a pita how the he'll do you run these wires into the cabin ugh
AbrahamLincoln
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where does the tranny harness come out in the cabin? Could I just piggy back off the speedo hot wire and call it a day? There's a green with white stripe that's hot right? I may just keep the cal by my trans if it's that easy.. IDE ratherrun if up through the counsel but I'm unsure where comes into the cabin - the big rubber grommet.
AbrahamLincoln
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well I was unsuccessful in getting it setup today. I took a part the counsel pretty far and I couldn't find where that trans harness comes up through. I was about to just drill a whole but jeez louise isn't drilling a whole through the center counsel gonna go through right where the driveshaft is? Plus thats a lot of layers to drill through.
I'm thinking about just running a wire through the engine bay - through the bottom of the drivers side fender, and keeping the cal ziptied to the trans harness. Its very light weight and i dont think itll be a problem tucked away on top of the crossmember. Or I could try and find a hot wire that I could tap into but the trans harness but it looks a little daunting while the exhaust and cross member is place.
I got everything setup except for the power wire. I dont have the harness for the VSS plugged in cuz its setup for the speedcal.
Anyone just leave the car on the cross member. I think getting it to be in the console is more pain than its worth, but I havn't cut myself out of that option yet.
The VSS harness is Green/White stripe and the other wire is reddish orange what have you. Anyone know which one is hot and which one is ground?
I'm thinking about just running a wire through the engine bay - through the bottom of the drivers side fender, and keeping the cal ziptied to the trans harness. Its very light weight and i dont think itll be a problem tucked away on top of the crossmember. Or I could try and find a hot wire that I could tap into but the trans harness but it looks a little daunting while the exhaust and cross member is place.
I got everything setup except for the power wire. I dont have the harness for the VSS plugged in cuz its setup for the speedcal.
Anyone just leave the car on the cross member. I think getting it to be in the console is more pain than its worth, but I havn't cut myself out of that option yet.
The VSS harness is Green/White stripe and the other wire is reddish orange what have you. Anyone know which one is hot and which one is ground?
AbrahamLincoln
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I installed it with the new tranny. No one at the shop wanted to "drill the hole" - so I just emptied the console, grabbed the cordless drill and popped a hole down through the middle of the console and shoved the wires down through and said "There - hook it up". LOL
The power was taken from the tranny harness, that's about the extent I know - Oh, and we had to extend a couple wires in the harness to reach.
Sorry, no pics.
I read someone else put theirs in the console area in front of the shifter and ran the wires through the same grommet the tranny wiring has in the shifter area and they did not have any issues?
When I was trying to figure out how to run the + wire the tranny harness looked very promising. Anyone got a diagram for that, which ones are hot? I initially tried to run it through the shifter but I wasn't able to get to the shifter grommet from inside the car. I took off the bezel, removed the 8mm screws that hold down the gear selecter display, but i couldnt get it out, I saw some more stuff that would be needed to remve to get get to the shifter grommet but it seemd like a big pita and it was getting dark. Also drilling right where the counsel made me nervous because the driveshaft is right there, won't the wires get in the way?
From below the car the big tranny harness grommet looks like a great place to feed it through but i have no idea where that is in the cabin? Taking all the stuff apart in the cabin is very frustrating.
JDS353
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to long ago to remenber how we did the 94 but if you can reach the dip switches use a hand held gps to set them it will get it damm close to right. 4tents of a mile in 1000. that was varified by a flying trip to huntsville al and back to beardstown. when you switch the dip switches while moving it sure gives the speedometer a work out . take care have to make a run to ham lake mn. an right back . jd
AbrahamLincoln
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Cool, I'll keep that in mind once I get it in the cabin. Where did you mount the cal and how did you run the wires?
AbrahamLincoln
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ok i got everything mounted and working. Thing works great... I have to wait till monday to get the correct settings but ive been messing around while driving stopping and trying different switches i got it close to where it needs to be but not spot on.
Hey the VSS doesnt control shifts does it? Cuz the car seems to shift the same regardless of the way the speedcal is set. I was driving around with the sensor in the plug and the car still shifts.
I always assumed that the car needed the vss to tell it when to shift based on the MPH but apparently that isn't true? The car likes to shift early il be going what i think is like 25mph in fourth. what does it take to hold the gears longer? I always assumed it was because my "shift schedule" was off because the VSS.
Am I right that the vss has nothing to do wtih the shift schedule?
Hey the VSS doesnt control shifts does it? Cuz the car seems to shift the same regardless of the way the speedcal is set. I was driving around with the sensor in the plug and the car still shifts.
I always assumed that the car needed the vss to tell it when to shift based on the MPH but apparently that isn't true? The car likes to shift early il be going what i think is like 25mph in fourth. what does it take to hold the gears longer? I always assumed it was because my "shift schedule" was off because the VSS.
Am I right that the vss has nothing to do wtih the shift schedule?
Icarus
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The PCM controls shift points.
AbrahamLincoln
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yea of course, but im saying it doesn't base that on the Vehicle Speed Sensor. Cuz i had mine unplugged and it still shifted the same, and it shifts the same whether i mess with the speedcal settings.
Icarus
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The shifts/scheduling of the trans is determined by many inputs (I was going to list them and the symtoms of each, but the list is long!!!)
Basically, the Speed-Cal will correct a wrong speedometer, and a chip/tune will fix shift points.
When I only had the Speed-Cal in my car after I changed to the 4.30's, and no chip/tune at all, it seemed to shift ok at low speeds (it was a lil wierd, but totally driveable.) Once I got on it WOT though, it would bouce off the rev limiter and speed limiter big time and shifted really screwy.
You have a chip from Geno already right? Is it for the stock gears or the 4.10's? If he's already removed the speed limiter and raised the shift points from the stock setup, it may not seem to bad with the new gears, but you'd want to confirm what he did on the chip and have it changed if it's not set up optimally for the new gears and the rest of your vehicle setup.
If you call DM again for the dip settings, tell them you own an '01 Mustang GT with 4.10's, it's got an 8 tooth output shaft with a (# teeth? and color?) driven gear, and the size of the tires. They should have no trouble giving you the right setting then. They will have nothing to bitch about and can't say 'we don't know what works on a Lincoln!'
Basically, the Speed-Cal will correct a wrong speedometer, and a chip/tune will fix shift points.
When I only had the Speed-Cal in my car after I changed to the 4.30's, and no chip/tune at all, it seemed to shift ok at low speeds (it was a lil wierd, but totally driveable.) Once I got on it WOT though, it would bouce off the rev limiter and speed limiter big time and shifted really screwy.
You have a chip from Geno already right? Is it for the stock gears or the 4.10's? If he's already removed the speed limiter and raised the shift points from the stock setup, it may not seem to bad with the new gears, but you'd want to confirm what he did on the chip and have it changed if it's not set up optimally for the new gears and the rest of your vehicle setup.
If you call DM again for the dip settings, tell them you own an '01 Mustang GT with 4.10's, it's got an 8 tooth output shaft with a (# teeth? and color?) driven gear, and the size of the tires. They should have no trouble giving you the right setting then. They will have nothing to bitch about and can't say 'we don't know what works on a Lincoln!'
AbrahamLincoln
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Yea my chip is setup for my gears. It shifts fine at wot. The shifts are decent the only thing I don't like is that it puts the car in 4th what feels like 35 mph. I called them they told me to switch up dips 1 and 4 up and drive 10 actual miles and tell them what my trip says how many miles and to call yhem back with that info.
I got the blue corrector gear for 7 tooth trans setup for 3.73s
Stock tires, 4.10s. Doesn't the fact that my PCM is setup for 7 tooth make a difference? If I tell them my car is an 01 mustang that fact won't come into play cuz mustangs are 8 tooth and it will be off rght?
If not I could have just put in a 4.10 corrector gear for an 8 tooth....
I got the blue corrector gear for 7 tooth trans setup for 3.73s
Stock tires, 4.10s. Doesn't the fact that my PCM is setup for 7 tooth make a difference? If I tell them my car is an 01 mustang that fact won't come into play cuz mustangs are 8 tooth and it will be off rght?
If not I could have just put in a 4.10 corrector gear for an 8 tooth....
Icarus
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Yes, I see what you mean. I don't know if the PCM is set for each one, but it makes sense so it knows what it's seeing. Let them know the old trans had a 7 tooth drive gear, and an 8 tooth now and see what they say.
I don't know what else to suggest besides doing what they say to set it up (in your last post.) All they asked me were how many teeth on the drive gear and driven one, the rear-end gears and tire size. They just asked wether it was 7/8 tooth, etc and punched it into his computer, so I don't know why they are making you do these extra steps, but like I said, I guess you have to do what they say. Sorry this reply isn't more helpful...
I don't know what else to suggest besides doing what they say to set it up (in your last post.) All they asked me were how many teeth on the drive gear and driven one, the rear-end gears and tire size. They just asked wether it was 7/8 tooth, etc and punched it into his computer, so I don't know why they are making you do these extra steps, but like I said, I guess you have to do what they say. Sorry this reply isn't more helpful...
driller
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TSS is a major input.
AbrahamLincoln
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TSS? Whats that do. I know the vss doesn't do diddly but show you the speedo. My car drives the same whether its plugged in or not, changed or unchanged.
Icarus
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I think he's talking about the OSS (Output Shaft Speed sensor.) That's a different sensor than the VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor.) Correct me if I'm wrong please driller.
driller
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From my manual:
Icarus
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I see that now in my '93 manual too. I was going by the '95 manual as that is what Abraham has.
So the TSS=OSS, but different than the VSS which the Speed-Cal connects too (say that 10x fast, lol...)
So the TSS=OSS, but different than the VSS which the Speed-Cal connects too (say that 10x fast, lol...)
AbrahamLincoln
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I dunno car drove decent with the vss harness unplugged so it must be a fine adjustment. Called Dallas Mustang and got the correct dip settings for my setup: 3,6,7,8 are up the rest are down. Don't know who's gonna need the settings I have it could save you a phone call and having to drive 10 actual miles to dial it in. I'll let everyone knows how it goes once it's calibrated in a bit.
AbrahamLincoln
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ok I think I got it close but not perfect because I don't think I drove 10 miles to the tee but I think it's pretty close... I wanna get a buddy to match speeds with me to see how accurate it is.