Ford racing plugs & 764s Big Difference!

However, Autolite lists 103's for the supercharged ford lightnings, which is 1 step colder than stock on a mark 8. Whereas the motorcraft ones we are discussing are two step colder than stock on a mark8 but stock for the lightning... confuses me a bit.:(

It's not confusing - they are different stock applications. One is naturally aspirated and one is supercharged. The combustion chamber temperatures and pressures are vastly different.

There's no magic to spark plugs. Basically you want to run as cold a plug you can without fouling. You could jump right in the deep end of the pool and get the 103s or the Lightning plugs for your N/A stock engine.

What you should do is run a set of plugs(32C) awhile and then inspect them. Change them out for a one step colder set(22C) and repeat. When the plugs start fouling(12C?) - go back one step hotter to prevent fouling. Everyone's experience will not be the same.
 
I like the copper NGK plugs, TR5 stock heat range and TR6 one heat range colder (same as Autolite 103).
 
It's not confusing - they are different stock applications. One is naturally aspirated and one is supercharged. The combustion chamber temperatures and pressures are vastly different.

There's no magic to spark plugs. Basically you want to run as cold a plug you can without fouling. You could jump right in the deep end of the pool and get the 103s or the Lightning plugs for your N/A stock engine.

What you should do is run a set of plugs(32C) awhile and then inspect them. Change them out for a one step colder set(22C) and repeat. When the plugs start fouling(12C?) - go back one step hotter to prevent fouling. Everyone's experience will not be the same.

According to the article, and autolite 103's are one step colder. I have them, they ran well with out my tune on. but when the tune was added the engine revved slower and there was a definite power loss. so i took them out and put in the 764's. two steps colder are autolite 94's which would be equal to your AWSF-12C.

my 103's did not foul at all - but the car was retarding timing knock sensor i guess.

bottom line is I want what plug is going to work right with my tune, and that I was told was the 764's and change them often. so far so good, the only thing i did notice with the 764's, after wot runs i get a bit of a sulfer smell... where with the 103's i could beat run wot pulls all day and never smelled the rich sulfer smell - so i guess more fuel was being burned??? this is just my experience.

I was all gung ho about "colder plugs" for the nitrous im going to run very soon. Gene says that with his tune and the 764's I can comfortable my 100 - 150 shot with the 764's. (im assuming he is taking account for an adjustable fpr and walboro 255.

regardless im going to dyno tune this, and i have both sets right now... 103 and 764, and wouldn't mind buying the 94's if need be. I also am on the fence for wires, taylor livewire and nology are tempting, FFRP will probably be enough wire for what I have planned hp wise though, I see the cobra guys making huge numbers with those exact same FFRP wires.

so yea your argument about running colder until fouling is well based and valid. My argument is that those awsf plugs have to be bought online through someone who has them on the shelf. There is nothing wrong with autolite... I don't see why you don't run an autolite plug in the colder heat range, there should be no difference between them and your motorcraft awsf 12c and autolite 94's - both two steps colder. the 103's are one step colder than stock, so them and the motorcraft awsfa-22c shoudl act exactly the same, i ran 103's and they didnt cooperate with my tune.

what year make and model took the awsf 12c and 22c btw?
 
Wow, I read that entire thread/bickering session and want my 5 minutes back.
 
The AR series from Autolites are not to be confused with the 764s just because they are Autolites. Simply put, they cost more and do not work as well.

If that's the simple version, please post the more complex version. Specifically regarding the bold part.
 
lol on your 5 minutes back. Well this must be coming from someone who loves their spark plugs!

Bottom line run ford racing wires and 764's - the original poster is happy. I'm happy!

Fact: Motorcraft doesn't make the Awsf 12 or 22 anymore...
You can still buy these plugs through different vendors, but they will not be around forever because they are not available from Motorcraft anymore.

The heat range is indifferent to a brand. One step two step colder etc.

I'm choosing to just run the Autolites because of price and availability. Your experience may differ!

One can argue that motorcrafts are "better spark plugs". I agree with Driller on that. I agree with Driller on everything up until one would go to buy these spark plugs, which is what I tried to do locally. I did not have luck.

I did have luck with Autolite... and they make colder plugs available.

I may even purchase the awsfa-12c though Max, just to put my money where my mouth is. :-0 $$$$

btw i argue cuz im irish-american... you must not know many irish people :-)
 
I am irish as well and LOVE to argue. This just seams like we're beating a dead dog with this. It is easy to argue though, with the consensus that the $1 spark plug is the best. Different spark plugs may be worth it for someone with a heavily modded car, but not myself. I was just saying the big difference I found with the products I got. Would I have gotten a bigger difference with a colder plug or different wires? Who knows.
 
yea, air fuel spark

air - n20 or boost
fuel - walboro 255, adjustable FPR - (turns out kirban is twenty minutes from my house.)

Then worry about spark! - if your not getting enough! youll know!\

thats a good point, plugs are a supporting mod. not a mod in itself - just make sure you get those stockers out of there after 100k, they look pretty ugly!
 

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