JPsBored
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JES_LS said:
YES DADDY YOU ARE SO CORRECT AND THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK CHIEF
What Coils To Buy??
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YES DADDY YOU ARE SO CORRECT AND THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK CHIEF
Mac98SHO
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He has a point, some of your posts were kinda hard to read 
When I was trying to figure out the point you were trying to get across.
When I was trying to figure out the point you were trying to get across.JES_LS
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I guess I should not expect anything better from some twenty something that thinks he is a genius.
Oh and all caps really isn't any better John.
If you want something, you have to decide to fight for it.
I know the things I want in life, do you???
Oh and all caps really isn't any better John.
If you want something, you have to decide to fight for it.
I know the things I want in life, do you???
I think ya'll are taking this coil stuff way to far and way to serious. Let me be one who has NOT "voted" and wont. I put 25k miles on my car in one year in Florida where its hotter than sh!t 10 months of the year. I didnt have one single issue. I dont car how much pressure you think your putting on them with your poll, you need to realize that this forum is a small small small fraction of LS owners around the United States. There have been probably 200,000 Lincoln LS's sold since 2000, how many members on here? The average demographic of the LS owner isnt going to give a crap about a HD coil, just because of few motor heads want to try to improve their LUXURY car isnt going to fly. Yeah sure, with the amount of coils going bad there might be something going on, but thats not going to create a whole market for them. Also the LS is a discontinued model, all the 00-02 LS's which have these problems are now becoming 5-7 year old cars and are going to have alot of wear and tear and miles. I applaud your enthusiasm but i think your getting carried away.
mholhut
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Thats what I fisrt thought when the cams failed in my V8 SHO... now there's a class action law suit now for this car that's over six years out of production. Ford knew of the defect in the motors and sold the SHO's anyways and the SHO community is holding them accountable. Some failed right off the assembly line and some have yet to fail. 727 documented engine failures on the V8 SHO and Ford still calls it an "isolated" problem. Not everyone knows about the problem still. Between 96 and 99 1.5 million Taurus's were built; of that, 21,000 were V8 SHO's which represented 1.39% of the product line. A class action lawsuit for only a possible 21,000 cars affected.
I have no idea what the production numbers for the LS is. But it would be safe to say that half the folks here have had some coild problems. It seems significant at least. If you have one fail, you'll probably have more. First shot of coil replacements will probably come under warranty. But most of these problems occur in the preowned car market where people have to foot the bill for these repairs. So if you have to suck up the bill once for replacing all the coils, you'd better be prepared to do it again. At what point does someone who has no association to an automotive enthusiast website, start looking for a better solution to the problem. Or do they give up the car for something else. At what time does someone come to LVC looking for a permanent solution to the problem and the only response we can give them is "sorry, there's no interest." Then they say, "that sucks" and get rid of their car.
I have no idea what the production numbers for the LS is. But it would be safe to say that half the folks here have had some coild problems. It seems significant at least. If you have one fail, you'll probably have more. First shot of coil replacements will probably come under warranty. But most of these problems occur in the preowned car market where people have to foot the bill for these repairs. So if you have to suck up the bill once for replacing all the coils, you'd better be prepared to do it again. At what point does someone who has no association to an automotive enthusiast website, start looking for a better solution to the problem. Or do they give up the car for something else. At what time does someone come to LVC looking for a permanent solution to the problem and the only response we can give them is "sorry, there's no interest." Then they say, "that sucks" and get rid of their car.
The LS sold 51,000 in 2000, 40,000 in 2001.... then gradually decreased after that. But your post about the lawsuit reminds me of Chyrsler and the '98+ Dodge Intrepid 2.7L engines. A ton of them failed due to engine sludge and there is a lawsuit with them due to improper design or whatever. Same kind of thing where Chrysler calls it isolated, but if its your car that failed you dont see it that way. My father had an Intrepid with the 2.7 and it ran fine for the length of time he owned it, and he by no means is good with his maintenence. But he had other things go wrong. I have a '01 Intrepid ES and it has none of the problems even though its 98% the same exact car. I cant help but think its the driving habits and mods that the people in this forum have that contribute to the problems. Is the 75 yr old guy who drives his LS to the store and back going to have the same issue? Maybe... but probably not. When you buy used you are always exposed to potential expenses coming out of your pocket. My '96 Trans Am had a thing called an Optispark, costs a ton of money to replace. The smart engineers at GM mounted this part right under the water pump which almost always fails after a certain time frame and it shorts out the electronic Optispark. Point being all cars have some part that is going to be prone to failure. If the coils are the LS's weak point then so be it. Get the dealer to do the repair and get them to warranty it if thats possible. But its most likely one of those things your gonna have to deal with.
mholhut
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Yep, all true. But people who buy the LS either new or in the preowned world still expect a certain amount of quality. And the thing is, that if someone is out looking to buy and LS, a V8 SHO, or a 2.7 Intrepid... there's a serious chance that they won't know any of these problems, like you said. And that's a bummer... but it's also the reason why we try to make changes for the better in these cars.
I expect quality with everthing i buy. Whether its toilet paper or a car. Just today, my sneakers which are less than a year old have a seam that came apart. To me thats unacceptable, but sh!t happens. I'm not looking to reinvent the tennis shoe. I have a 3 yr old and for some reason kids have a way of breaking sh!t that shouldnt otherwise break. I cant explain it. It just is. I am not against you guys trying to make changes for the better, but there needs to be a degree of realism here. Your talking a company spending time and money to engineer and manufacture a part that very few (>500) will even use. Also, heaven forbid my new '05 LS has a coil that goes bad. Will an aftermarket coil void any part of the warranty? Is Ford going to favor you putting in a experimental coil? Probably not.mholhut said:
mholhut
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Well, there's certainly different views about it and I can certainly see where you're coming from. There's seeing if there is a demand for something, and looking at the potential beyond a group that's saying there's a problem. Consider that the S-type and the T-bird use the same part and you've trippled the affected group. Maybe the LS folks are the bitchy lot of the bunch.
My car's been out of warranty for 70,000 miles so all I'm looking for is something more reliable than the OEM. Of course if you have a warranty you're going to be cautious about the aftermarket... I would be too. But once you have to start paying for stuff out of pocket, the expense combined with the hassle is enough, for me at least, to look for another solution. If we can't get one made for the LS, then I'll look at using one from a different car. All we can do is try, and if nothing comes of it at least we'll have given it our best shot.
My car's been out of warranty for 70,000 miles so all I'm looking for is something more reliable than the OEM. Of course if you have a warranty you're going to be cautious about the aftermarket... I would be too. But once you have to start paying for stuff out of pocket, the expense combined with the hassle is enough, for me at least, to look for another solution. If we can't get one made for the LS, then I'll look at using one from a different car. All we can do is try, and if nothing comes of it at least we'll have given it our best shot.
JPsBored
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JES_LS said:
JES you just seem angry and bitter because I wont vote.
Trust me I know what I want, and know how to get it,, but on the scale of importance in my life,, "POTENTIAL, EXPERIMENTAL" coils in my car that may or may not come any time soon, isn't that important.
I know it's hard to hear that I own an LS and don't revolve my life around it.
I come here to get ideas, and help with fixes that are available today,, not here to be a "FORUM TUFF GUY" like some of you.
I started this thread to get info on getting the best coils for my car that are AVAILABLE TODAY.
This was the post i opened with
What Coils To Buy??
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I am about to replace all my coils,, only have coil #2 out,, but figure best to do them all.
Question is, which should I get?
I plan to get some from Rockauto.com since they seem to be the cheapest.
Didn't know that was such a BIG MISTAKE, than you JES came on here with your panties in a bunch because I wouldn't vote?? Come on now!!
How many people you have on this forum? 1000? or more. Yet you maybeeee got votes from like what 10% of them? Are you chasing down them and whining to them for not voting?
So you think you the LS savior because you came up with a little idea to get better coils? lol your to much. I may of voted at some point, but fact your a baby about is crazy.
Go chase the other 90% that don't seem to care or think your wasting your time, go pleeeeed your case to them.
Oh JES,, what you want in life? Is it to be a forum Celebrity?
JES_LS
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No, John I don't want to be the forum celebrity.
I would happily let someone else claim that title, if they could get someone to solve these COP issues with replacement better quality replacement parts.
All I was trying to do was help us all by attempting to convince a company that can make us HD parts to actually make us HD parts.
I would happily let someone else claim that title, if they could get someone to solve these COP issues with replacement better quality replacement parts.
All I was trying to do was help us all by attempting to convince a company that can make us HD parts to actually make us HD parts.