Waterboarding prevented 9/11 style attack in L.A!

[foxpaws]

No, they have been saying to release all the information so that the people can decide if the ends justify the means.
Is that what this thread boils down to? Does the action taken justify the results achieved?

So, the action here - the fact these two men were waterboarded 266 times - really isn't in question right? Or is it?

It seems that what is in question is whether the information gathered during the waterboarding justified that action. And, does that action qualify as something the US should be engaging in?

Is that where you are heading?

I figure I really don't understand where you are heading in this argument shag - so, I am asking questions...

Oh, and just in case anyone has missed this regarding the whole timeline here...

So, the article that started the thread stated that a 9/11 style attack on Los Angeles was averted because of information gathered from waterboarding Khalid Sheik Mohammed - correct?

After he was subjected to the “waterboard” technique, KSM became cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.

The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.​

KSM was waterboarded in March of 2003, from the same memo that the CNSNews refers to above.

However, the attacks on Los Angeles were planned for 2002.

How did waterboarding KSM in 2003 stop the attacks that were scheduled to happen in 2002?

Are we able to now go back in time? Wow - all of our problems are solved. The US Government has a time machine - woo hoo!

 

[fossten]

Fox, quit cherrypicking Shag's responses. He's owning you by pointing out your mischaracterizations and you just ignore them and press on with the dishonesty. You're always a stickler for not responding to every point, so why don't you practice what you preach.

 

[foxpaws]

Fox, quit cherrypicking Shag's responses. He's owning you by pointing out your mischaracterizations and you just ignore them and press on with the dishonesty. You're always a stickler for not responding to every point, so why don't you practice what you preach.

When he quits cherry picking me

We both write way too much...

 

[luxuryrules]

The "more humane and effective" techniques take longer. If there is a time constant, more immediate techniques should be called for. Also, the memo mentions that at least AZ (and I think KSM) were openly hostile and contemptuous during the traditional interrogations. So, they felt a a need to ratchet things up. Waterboarding provided a means to do just that.

You've been watching too much 24. The situations in which we must "beat the information out of the guy before it's too late" are almost all fictional.
In reality, sleep deprivation will work with almost 100% success in a two week period (surely you've taken some psychology classes, as you seem to have a pretty good grasp of a number of other fields). More importantly, sleep deprivation is far less likely to result in bad intel, because the subject is not trying to avoid pain; rather, they are simply so disoriented they cannot coherently put together a lie.

You beat me hard enough and I will swear to you that I am Kevin Spacey, even when you and I both know that I am not.

The fact is that these memos are cherry picked; we don't know the full effect of the waterboarding. We only know one side of the story but don't have the info to get an idea of the full picture. Hence the need to release other memos. We don't know if it was "unnecessary brutality" or if it was in fact necessary.

You know what, that's true. We don't know if it was necessary or not. And still you promote it, without knowing all the facts. Do you just like causing agony in other people?

 

[Calabrio]

This catty-one line bullcrap is really getting tiresome.
From all sides.

If a post doesn't contribute to the conversation, it's going to get deleted- at least for a little while until things become a bit more civil.
It's impossible to have any kind of discussion in here with the the trolling and the deliberate agitators.