"This is a joke, isn't it?" My Ex-Nazi Father's Reaction to Fox News

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In spite of his complete 180, my father never forgot the propaganda he was subjected to in his childhood. Whenever he was really drunk, he would start singing Nazi songs, and my mother had to drag him home before he got beaten up.

In 2004, my father visited me in San Antonio for the last time. Due to his strong opposition to the war in Iraq and the death penalty, he was not crazy about coming to Texas, but he was curious to see the new condo that I had bought. So he and my mother came for Christmas.

One day, we had the TV on, and for whatever reason (that I have forgotten), we were watching Fox News. My father watched for about ten minutes, then he said, "What is this?"
"Fox News," I answered.
"This is some kind of joke, right?"
"Uhm, no."
"You mean this is an actual news show? Not satire?" My father obviously thought I was pulling his leg.
"No, it's not satire. Why are you asking?" I said.
"Because all you have to do is change a few adjectives, and it's Nazi talk."

Wow. I had never thought about why "conservatives" had always made me cringe. But he definitely had a point. Now I am not saying that Republicans are Nazis, but they do employ totalitarian rhetoric, and sometimes... well, they do sound like Nazis. Here are some eerie parallels:
- "homeland" and all the imagery connected to it (also prominently featured in patriotic songs) - Invocation of patriotism, of which there is supposedly never enough - Glorification of the military while regarding actual soldiers as disposable - Glorification of motherhood with ulterior motives (the Lebensborn movement got started with homes for unwed mothers to prevent abortions) - "We" are the good guys, not because of what we do (or don't do) but because we say so - "We" are superior at anything and everything, again because we say so - Discrimination against a particular minority is morally justified to preserve national security - Even though racism and gender discrimation are considered morally right, ideology supercedes racial, ethnic, or gender affiliation. Minority members are tolerated ("We decide who's a Jew") and women can have careers if they are useful to the party - A crime or injustice was committed against us, so we must punish somebody, whether they had anything to do with it or not - If we lose a war, it's the left-wing traitors' fault - Everybody else is out to get us, and we must get them first - Messed up grammar and nonsensical sentence structures interrupted by bumper sticker-style slogans. If you ever tried to read Mein Kampf in the original (I don't recommend it), you would be reminded of a Sarah Palin speech. - speaking of Sarah Palin rallies, need I say more...

The one ingredient that the wingnuts are missing is the personality cult. They simply have not found a charismatic figure to build a movement around. There is Ronald Reagan (a.k.a. St. Ronnie), who is good for mytho-historical legend building, but, being that he's dead, he cannot go out and campaign. What they need is a Barack Obama with a military/war hero background. Alas, the characters they have been trying to sell us have come across as caricatures of what they were supposed to represent.

My father died in 2006, so obviously he missed last year's elections. If he had witnessed the McCain campaign, he would remind us daily what a bullet we dodged.

Guy obviously isn't a big time reporter, just giving an opinion. I like it. Kindof rabbles on towards the end of the comparisons but i think the ideology applies pretty well
 
ah....facism is an ideology that stems from the left, not the right. Ideologically, it is the ugly sister of the progressivism from the early part of the 20th century.
 
Foss---
You need to reiterate Godwin's law every once in a while! Progressives try to have short memories!
KS
 
It's no accident that this "Goodwin's Law" exists. Hitler was a very intelligent guy. It's not like his party just came out of no where and took :q:q:q:q over lol.

Is the patriot bill fascist?
 
Is the patriot bill fascist?

You mean the Patriot Act? No. It is not fascist. You can argue that it is unconstitutional, but it is not fascist. While all policy stems from ideology, the ideological roots of that bill were not, in any way, fascist. If you are trying to argue that some of the policies were somehow similar to policies rooted in the ideology of fascism, you are A) mischaracterizing those policies and B) making a fallacious style over substance argument by looking at the policies (the way the ideology is enacted) to infer a similarity in ideology.

Style over substance is a logical fallacy which occurs when one emphasizes the way in which the argument is presented [in this case, the way the ideology is enacted; policy], while marginalizing (or outright ignoring) the content of the argument [in this case, the core principles in the ideology and reasoning based in that ideology that lead to the policies in question]
 
It's no accident that this "Goodwin's Law" exists. Hitler was a very intelligent guy. It's not like his party just came out of no where and took :q:q:q:q over lol.

Is the patriot bill fascist?
To reference Hitler is to diminish the significance of World War II, something I am certain you know very little about.
 

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