Supreme Court Justice Scalia Takes On Women's Rights

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Time Magazine - By Adam Cohen

Leave it to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia to argue that the Constitution does not, in fact, bar sex discrimination.

Even though the court has said for decades that the equal-protection clause protects women (and, for that matter, men) from sex discrimination, the outspoken, controversial Scalia claimed late last week that women's equality is entirely up to the political branches. "If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex," he told an audience at the University of California's Hastings College of the Law, "you have legislatures."

To anyone who has followed Justice Scalia's career, his latest provocative statement shouldn't come entirely as a surprise. It's been more than four years since he answered a reporter's question about his impartiality in religion cases with an under-the-chin hand gesture that some commentators said was a Sicilian obscenity. (A Supreme Court spokeswoman insisted the gesture was "dismissive" but not obscene.) And it's been about as long since Justice Scalia called his refusal to recuse himself from a case about Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force - after he had just gone on a duck-hunting trip with Cheney - the "proudest thing" he has done on the court. (See pictures of Judge Sonia Sotomayor.)

But Justice Scalia's attack on the constitutional rights of women - and of gays, whom he also brushed off - is not just his usual mouthing off. One of his colleagues on the nation's highest court, Justice Stephen Breyer, has just come out with a book called Making Our Democracy Work: A Judge's View, which rightly argues that the Constitution is a living document - one that the founders intended to grow over time, to keep up with new events. Justice Scalia is roaring back in defense of "originalism," his view that the Constitution is stuck in the meaning it had when it was written in the 18th century.

Indeed, Justice Scalia likes to present his views as highly principled - he's not against equal rights for women or anyone else; he's just giving the Constitution the strict interpretation it must be given. He focuses on the fact that the 14th Amendment was drafted after the Civil War to help lift up freed slaves to equality. "Nobody thought it was directed against sex discrimination," he told his audience. (See "The State of the American Woman.")

Yet, the idea that women are protected by the equal-protection clause is hardly new - or controversial. In 1971, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that they were protected, in an opinion by the conservative then Chief Justice Warren Burger. It is no small thing to talk about writing women out of equal protection - or Jews, or Latinos or other groups who would lose their protection by the same logic. It is nice to think that legislatures would protect these minorities from oppression by the majority, but we have a very different country when the Constitution guarantees that it is so. (Comment on this story.)

And the fact that we have a very different country now from the days of the Founding Fathers is why Justice Scalia is on the wrong side of this debate. The drafters could have written the Constitution as a list of specific rules and said, "That's all, folks!" Instead, they wrote a document full of broadly written guarantees: "due process," "freedom of speech" and yes, "equal protection." As Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes explained almost a century ago, the Constitution's framers created an "organism" that was meant to grow - and to be interpreted "in the light of our whole national experience," not based on "what was said a hundred years ago."

The Constitution would be a poor set of rights if it were locked in the 1780s. The Eighth Amendment would protect us against only the sort of punishment that was deemed cruel and unusual back then. As Justice Breyer has said, "Flogging as a punishment might have been fine in the 18th century. That doesn't mean that it would be OK ... today." And how could we say that the Fourth Amendment limits government wiretapping - when the founders could not have conceived of a telephone, much less a tap? (See pictures of six archetypes that shaped the way women dress today.)

Justice Scalia doesn't even have consistency on his side. After all, he has been happy to interpret the equal-protection clause broadly when it fits his purposes. In Bush v. Gore, he joined the majority that stopped the vote recount in Florida in 2000 - because they said equal protection required it. Is there really any reason to believe that the drafters - who, after all, were trying to help black people achieve equality - intended to protect President Bush's right to have the same procedures for a vote recount in Broward County as he had in Miami-Dade? (If Justice Scalia had been an equal-protection originalist in that case, he would have focused on the many black Floridians whose votes were not counted - not on the white President who wanted to stop counting votes.)

Even worse, while Justice Scalia argues for writing women out of the Constitution, there is another group he has been working hard to write in: corporations. The word "corporation" does not appear in the Constitution, and there is considerable evidence that the founders were worried about corporate influence. But in a landmark ruling earlier this year, Justice Scalia joined a narrow majority in striking down longstanding limits on corporate spending in federal elections, insisting that they violated the First Amendment.

It is a strange view of the Constitution to say that when it says every "person" must have "equal protection," it does not protect women, but that freedom of "speech" - something only humans were capable of in 1787 and today - guarantees corporations the right to spend unlimited amounts of money to influence elections.
 
Some men were more comfortable when women were considered property but Scalia doesn't want to say this directly.
 
No doubt the author is distorting Scalia in this exceedingly one sided demagogic hit piece; something Adam Cohen has a history of. In fact, Cohen has shown himself to be a hack who simply attacks conservatives.

So, you don't really have anything that discusses the premise of the article - right Shag? How about the WSJ - The SF Chronicle also has a story on it...

Is the 14th a 'black only' amendment as Scalia implies? If he really is a textualist - the 14th says 'person' not man, and aren't women 'persons' too?

And don't you think it odd that somehow corporations are allowed equal rights under the 1st amendment, but, perhaps women aren't according to Scalia? That we would have to create an Amendment that gives women those rights - but he is willing to allow corporations those same rights, as evidenced by his recent vote which allows corporations to give to political campaigns, because corporations should be granted the rights provided for by the 1st Amendment. If he really want to go by the letter of the law - corporations certainly aren't mentioned in the constitution as a group that should be afforded rights - however, maybe that has changed... We, the people and corporations, but not the women.... oh, and not gays, and not blacks, well, blacks now, but used to be not blacks, but not black women...
 
So, you don't really have anything that discusses the premise of the article - right Shag? How about the WSJ - The SF Chronicle also has a story on it...

Is the 14th a 'black only' amendment as Scalia implies? If he really is a textualist - the 14th says 'person' not man, and aren't women 'persons' too?

And don't you think it odd that somehow corporations are allow equal rights under the 1st amendment, but, perhaps women aren't according to Scalia?

At the time of the 14th amendment women didn't have the right to vote so by Scalia's strictly speaking it would be a "black men only" amendment.

This is just mischevious musings of intellectual sophistry (depends on what "is" is) that won't go anywhere.
 
Interesting - '04 - so you believe that Scalia is correct - that 'person' doesn't refer to women, but it does refer to 'corporations'?
 
Interesting - '04 - so you believe that Scalia is correct - that 'person' doesn't refer to women, but it does refer to 'corporations'?

I didn't say he was correct.
I'm merely offering my outside the box take on his motivations.
I like to look beyond what someone is saying and think of why.
I don't want to debate you on the merits or lack of in his arguments.
That's shag territory.
Considering women are still property under Islam and other cultures in the world today I can see the religious unspoken motivation of Scalia that has been put in check by our current seperation of church and state.

Under religious terms women are unequal with men as a dogma.
A corporation doesn't have a gender and is usually the creation of a man as opposed to a child which is the creation of a woman.

Yes it lacks real reason but that is the way of some things.
 
I like to look beyond what someone is saying and think of why.

Just make sure you are starting with what the person in question is saying and not what someone else is opportunistically distorting them to be saying.

Otherwise your point of reference is skewed. ;)
 
I haven't studied this perhaps like you have but Scalia's musings can only be based on him being male and religious for reasons I have explained.

If women had had the vote and been considered equal under religion at the time of the drafting and amending of the constitution then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
I haven't studied this perhaps like you have but Scalia's musings can only be based on him being male and religious for reasons I have explained.

If women had had the vote and been considered equal under religion at the time of the drafting and amending of the constitution then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Is what Scalia saying positive in nature; focusing on what is (or, in this case what was)?

Or are his statements normative in nature; focusing on what should be (or should have been)?

That is a very important distinction. Glossing over that distinction is a very effective way to misrepresent someone.
 
Is what Scalia saying positive in nature; focusing on what is (or, in this case what was)?

Or are his statements normative in nature; focusing on what should be (or should have been)?

That is a very important distinction. Glossing over that distinction is a very effective way to misrepresent someone.


I think his statements are "positive" describing how things are but positive
in description only under your linked definition.
Religion(which every culture has) and gender inequality are part of the normal human condition except for very recently(women got the vote less than 100 years ago)and can't be completely fixed by legislation or court rulings.
I never hear of a woman killing her husband then committing suicide but a man killing a woman then taking his own life is quite common.
 
I think his statements are "positive" describing how things are but positive
in description only under your linked definition.
Religion(which every culture has) and gender inequality are part of the normal human condition except for very recently(women got the vote less than 100 years ago)and can't be completely fixed by legislation or court rulings.
I never hear of a woman killing her husband then committing suicide but a man killing a woman then taking his own life is quite common.
You never heard of Phil Hartman? That was quite a high profile incident.
 
You never heard of Phil Hartman? That was quite a high profile incident.

Yes and women have been queens that have had men killed but that's exceptional.
Some women rule in their lives better than most men.
But the exception does not disprove the general rule.
Rarely does a woman take her own life after killing her spouse or lover.
Phil's wife had mental problems as well.
 
Yes and women have been queens that have had men killed but that's exceptional.
Some women rule in their lives better than most men.
But the exception does not disprove the general rule.
Rarely does a woman take her own life after killing her spouse or lover.
Phil's wife had mental problems as well.
Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it isn't common. That's a non sequitur. Did you ever think that maybe the news doesn't cover stories like that?
 
Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it isn't common. That's a non sequitur. Did you ever think that maybe the news doesn't cover stories like that?

I heard about Phil when it happened but forgot since it was quite long ago.
I read a lot of newspapers on the internet from all over the country virtually every day and murder suicide is almost always male on female.
The papers don't not report female homicide.
A woman may sometimes kill her children or hire someone to kill her husband (like Teresa Lewis who got executed in Virginia yesterday) but I'll stick by my observation of the rarity of female on male murder suicide.

IMO It's the way things are.
 
A New Project for the Gender Police

Gallant government will protect the weaker sex.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/25/george-f-will-new-project-for-the-gender-police.html?from=rss

The bad news for professional feminists is that the good news is multiplying: Last year more women than men received doctoral degrees. It is ludicrous to argue that women should be regarded as victims in patriarchal, phallocentric America and must be wards of government.



Women live five years longer than men. Their unemployment rate is significantly lower. For years they have received more high-school diplomas, B.A. and M.A. degrees, and now Ph.D.s. Yet the Obama administration wants the government to increase its protection of the (it evidently assumes) weaker sex. This, even though “contrary to what feminist lobbyists would have Congress believe, girls and women are doing well.” So says Diana Furchtgott-Roth.

A senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and former chief economist at the Department of Labor, she is the author of a just-published (from Encounter Books) broadside against the gender politics of the Obama administration and the current Congress, both of which seem impervious to evidence.

The president wants Congress to pass the Paycheck Fairness Act. It would further enrich a Democratic constituency—trial lawyers—by saying that differences in pay between men and women cannot be based on differences of education, training, and experience unless there is a “business necessity”—an invitation to litigation.



Valerie Jarrett, a senior Obama adviser, says: In 1963, when the first “equal pay” law was enacted, “women earned 59 cents for every dollar earned by a man,” and “nearly 50 years later, the wage gap has narrowed by only 18 cents,” so “women are still paid only 77 cents for every dollar earned by a man—and are paid less than men even when they have similar levels of experience and education.”



Well. Women were 49.7 percent of the workforce in August. Because the economic slump hit construction and manufacturing harder than government and health care, which employ more women, by November women may be, for the first time, a majority of workers. In this year’s second quarter, women earned 82.8 percent of the median weekly wage of men. Last year single women working full time earned 95 percent of what men earned. Young, unmarried, and childless urban women earn 8 percent more than similarly situated males. Why? See above: College degrees.



Pay disparities largely reflect women’s choices. But seen through feminists’ ideological spectacles, “a woman’s choice of less time at the office and more time at home with family is not considered an opportunity but a societal problem calling for a government solution,” says Furchtgott-Roth.



The gender-grievance industry—the financial-reform legislation mandates 29 new offices to favor women—has a new project. National Journal reports that the administration is “promising to litigate, regulate, and legislate the nation’s universities until women obtain half of all academic degrees in science and technology and hold half the faculty positions in those areas.”


Although women receive more B.A.s, M.A.s, and Ph.D.s than men in biology and biomedical sciences, not enough women want what the administration wants them to want. There are fewer women choosing to enter many science and engineering programs than the administration wishes, and it assumes that the reason is discrimination against women. To which Furchtgott-Roth replies: Anti-women discrimination even at women’s colleges?



At Bryn Mawr, 4 percent of 2010 graduates majored in chemistry, 2 percent in computer science. At Smith, half of 1 percent were physics majors; 1.4 percent majored in computer science. In 2009 at Barnard, one third of 1 percent majored in physics and astronomy.



Consider NASA, whose administrator, Charles Bolden, has said that “perhaps foremost” among NASA’s missions is finding “a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science.” Now that NASA has undertaken the therapeutic promotion of other nations’ self-esteem, it is not surprising that it has big ideas about how every university should have gender-parity apparatchiks to meet “weekly with the university president, provost, vice president, and deans,” the agency says, and fan out through the institution’s departments, labs, and other learning centers to determine whether “environments” are conducive to women. That such social engineering will not be conducive to science is obvious but, to this hyper-ideological administration, irrelevant.

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Regardless of Scalia's musings women have it pretty good in this country right now.
With this kind of affirmative action in their favor even the mediocre can and will (have?) advance(d).
However even at an all women's college women are different and unequal to men (in these hard science fields) in the abysmal 1%-2% numbers that choose to take chemistry, astronomy, physics, engineering and computer science.
The thing speaks for itself.
Women are brilliant in some ways but not so much in other ways just like men.
So maybe we are equal just perhaps not in the way you may think.
 

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