sonbeeeches @ lexus blowin up our spot.

If you want to be removed from the driving experience, Lexus is the car.
 
SoonerLS said:
If that were true, the LS wouldn't have been a money-loser, and it would probably have been improved and still be in production. There are a LOT of parts in the LS that aren't found in any "FoMoCo parts bin;" it has very little in common with anything else Ford made, other than the '02-'05 T-Bird and the S-Type.
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Ok and that's 2 Ford vehicles? Jaguar engine and basically everything from the T-Bird except body panels. What would constitute a "parts-bin" car to you then?

Just a question but why would anyone take an S550 over the Lexus? Mercedes entire line is plagued with more problems than Fords but their resale parachutes, go figure. With the exception of the AMG's since they don't use factory assembly line engines.
 
What kind of warranty is Mercedes and Lexus offering these days?
 
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Mercedes is 4 year 50,000 mi
Lexus is 4 year 50,000 mi for workmanship and 72 months or 70,000 miles for powertrain

Does anyone even consider reliability in their car anymore? Especially when spending over $60,000 for a car. I doubt any of us on here can say price is no object since we all drive Lincolns or Cadillacs and not S classes or Porsches. With the exception of Kelleyo's beautiful M5. Sure Benz and Beamers are nice, but personally I think a high end Lexus screams class and is much less common than BMW and Mercedes.
Scroll down and look at what consumer reports charts. Not one single Toyota brand car in the least reliable category. Not one single Mercedes brand car in most reliable. I am impressed that the Zephyr/MKZ is in most reliable. I'd consider it if it were a RWD V8.

http://www.thesunsfinancialdiary.co...can-made-not-japanese-made-but-european-made/
I know its from 06, but I havent seen the 07 reports yet.
 
glanga said:
Ok and that's 2 Ford vehicles? Jaguar engine and basically everything from the T-Bird except body panels. What would constitute a "parts-bin" car to you then?
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Let's look at the facts.
  1. The DEW-98 platform was developed for the LS; it was a Ford project, into which Jaguar engineers were brought for their expertise.
  2. The LS shares very few parts with any other Ford cars, with the exception of the Jag S-Type (which was developed concurrently with the LS and doesn't share much outside the chassis and suspension and Ford trannies) and the '02-'05 T-Bird.
  3. The LS pre-dates the T-Bird by three (3) model years.
  4. The LS's V8 is not a Jaguar engine. It is derived from the Jaguar AJ V8 and is in the AJ family (AJ30 and AJ35), but the only thing it has in common with the Jag mills is the block. The heads, intake, crankshaft, accessories, pistons, con rods, exhaust manifolds, and engine control system all differ from their Jaguar counterparts (and the commonalities in the bottom end are actually Cosworth-derived). For crying out loud, the engines were built in Cleveland!
How in the world can you possibly distort the definition of "parts-bin car" enough to cover the LS? You could call the T-Bird a "Lincoln parts-bin car," but there's enough difference in the T-Bird's chassis that it's really not even accurate to say that.

Want a parts-bin car? Look at a Fox-body car. Those pretty much define "parts-bin" car.
 
Just because a car was made before the other cars that used its parts, doesnt mean its not a parts bin car. Whether parts are given to or taken from it, its a parts bin car. The platform, some parts, and the engine block is all shared, whether it was on the LS first or not.
 
glanga said:
Just because a car was made before the other cars that used its parts, doesnt mean its not a parts bin car. Whether parts are given to or taken from it, its a parts bin car. The platform, some parts, and the engine block is all shared, whether it was on the LS first or not.
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That's a pretty bizarre definition of a "parts bin" car. The common usage of "parts bin car" is a car that's built using off the shelf parts that are common to other cars; that does not, at all, describe the LS. Just because a car shares some parts with other (low-production volume) cars, that does not make it a "parts bin" car. By your definition, the Ford GT is just about the only non-"parts bin car" that was ever made--and even it shares its engine with Australian Fords, so I guess you'd even consider it a "parts bin car."

Let's see, the Corvette uses an engine that's available in other GM cars, so that makes it a parts bin car. The VW Touareg and Porsche Cayenne are substantially similar cars; they must also be parts bin cars. Several Ferraris use substantially similar drivetrains; obviously they're all parts bin cars, too. Bentleys use VW engines; whoa, big-time parts bin cars!

Or maybe the LS isn't really a parts bin car, after all...
 
None of those cars share both chassis, suspension, and engine components with each other? So yeah since 3 main aspects of the car are shared with other Ford cars. And since the engine is an AJ-V8, ours merely has a unique variant of the AJ design, I consider it a parts bin engine since Lincoln, Jag, and Land Rover all use the AJ-V8 engine but in different ways. Hell even the
V6 is found in a ton of different Ford cars.

"While the block, crankshaft, pistons, and connecting rods are all unique to this displacement, many other parts are shared with the AJ-V8 engines produced in the UK by Jaguar." -Wikipedia

The DEW98 platform is in the LS, S-Type, and Thunderbird and the gearbox is also shared with other Ford cars.

We can agree to disagree...nice arguing with you though.
 
glanga said:
"While the block, crankshaft, pistons, and connecting rods are all unique to this displacement, many other parts are shared with the AJ-V8 engines produced in the UK by Jaguar." -Wikipedia
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The heads, intake, and exhaust manifold are all unique to the Lincoln, as is the engine control system (though Jag did adopt Lincoln's infinitely-variable cam timing system to replace their stepped VCT system), so I'm not sure what "other parts are shared with the AJ-V8 engines produced in the UK by Jaguar."

glanga said:
We can agree to disagree...nice arguing with you though.
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Agreed, on both counts. :Beer:
 
I think the Lexus LS beats the Lincoln LS in every aspect.
 
Except price. 61K is out of my range, at least. Yes, it does have awesome features, yes i would drive it, but I personally like the exterior of the Lincoln LS a heck of a lot better than the Lexus LS. Now, If we could get the guts of the lexus inside the body of the lincoln...
 
now thats what i'm talking about pektel. Also tweak the body of the Lincoln to look more up-to-date imo, something along the lines of that white and red LS in the other thread..
 
thats a lot of money for a 14 second car.
it must also be a lot of weight (5200lbs)
and it does look like a camry. is it acurate to combine the electric motor power rating and the gas engine power; do they both run at the same time or does the electric motor only run at lower speeds?
4 wheel drive can be nice, but it robs power.
i think it has a CVT

overall a good car, they just have to shed some weight and price...
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews..._2008/2008_lexus_ls600hl_short_take_road_test
 
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