So The Big News is Powell Endorses Obama huh!

[MonsterMark]

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Here's McCain's List:

Dr. John Lehman, former Secretary of the Navy and 9/11 Commission member,

9/11 Commission members Tom Kean and Slade Gorton

Four former United States Secretaries of State:

Henry Kissinger, General Alexander Haig, Lawrence Eagleburger and George Shultz.

Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf , US Army (Ret.)

Rear Admiral John W. Adams, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Patrick O. Adams, USAF (Ret.)

Major General Albert B. Akers, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Paul Albritton, USAF (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Richard Allen, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral James F. Amerault, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Vincent J. Anzilotti, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Charlie Bagnal, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General John “Doc” Bahnsen, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Kenneth P. Barausky, USN (Ret.)

Major General Barry D. Bates, USA (Ret.)

Major General Ron Beckwith, USMC (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Martin R. Berndt, USMC (Ret.)

Brigadier General Charles L. Bishop, USAF (Ret.)

Major General John Blatsos, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Ben Blaz, USMC (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Harry Blot, USMC (Ret.)

Brigadier General William A. “Art” Bloomer, USMC (Ret.)

Major General John L. Borling, USAF (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Mike Bowman, III, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Roger Box, USN (Ret.)

Major General Patrick Brady, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Jerry Breast, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Bruce Bremner, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Jeremiah Brophy, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Thomas Brown, III, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Richard A. Browning, USAF (Ret.)

Brigadier General Tom Bruner, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Lyle Bull, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral E.A. Burkhalter, Jr., USN (Ret.)

Major General Bob Butcher, USMC (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Jay Campbell, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Jim Carey, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Jimmy Cash, USAF (Ret.)

Major General George Cates, USMC (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Steve Chadwick, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Steve Clarey, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Albert P. Clark, USAF (Ret.)

Brigadier General Clifton “Tip” Clark, USAF (Ret.)

Brigadier General Wes Clark, USAF (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Edward Clexton, Jr., USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Richard A. Coleman, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Leroy Collins, Jr., USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General John B. Conaway, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Ralph Cook, USN (Ret.)

Major General Richard M. Cooke, USMC (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Matthew T. “Terry” Cooper, USMC (Ret.)

Major General Mike Coyne, USMC (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Robert C. Crates, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Howard, Jr. Crowell, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Robert Dastin, USAF (Ret.)

General James B. Davis, USAF (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Walter J. Davis, Jr., USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral James P. Davidson, USN (Ret.)

Major General Hollis Davidson, USMC (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Kevin Delaney, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Jerry Denton, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Chip Diehl, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Richard F. Donnelly, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Frank Donovan, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Bill Dougherty, USN (Ret.)

Major General George Douglas, USAF (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Walter D. Druen, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Phillip J. Duffy, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Richard M. Dunleavy, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Robert F. Dunn, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral James W. Eastwood, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral James E. Eckelberger, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Russ Eggers, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Ernest Elliot, USN (Ret.)

Major General James N. Ellis, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Paul Engel, USN (Ret.)

Major General Bill Eshelman, USMC (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Marsha Johnson Evans, USN (Ret.)

Major General Merrill Evans, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral James H. Flatley, III, USN (Ret.)

Admiral S. Robert Foley, USN (Ret.)

General John W. Foss, USA (Ret.)

Major General Stuart French, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Ronne Froman, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Vance H. Fry, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Robert Byron Fuller, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Skip Furlong, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Barton Gilbert, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Wendell Gilbert, USA (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Hank Giffin, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Andrew Giordano, USN (Ret.)

Major General Rick Goddard, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Ted Gordon, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Russell W. Gorman, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral H.E. “Rick” Grant, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Thomas N. Griffin, USA (Ret.)

Major General Jeffery R. Grime, USAF (Ret.)

Brigadier General Tom Hall, USAF (Ret.)

Admiral Ronald J. Hays, USN (Ret.)

Admiral Thomas B. Hayward, USN (Ret.)

Major General Guy Hecker, USAF (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Rolland Heiser, USA (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Dick Herr, USCG (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Robert P. Hickey, USN (Ret.)

Major General Geoffrey Higginbotham, USMC (Ret.)

Major General Don Hilbert, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Virgil Hill, USN (Ret.)

Major General Kent Hillhouse, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Edward J. “Ned” Hogan, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral A. Byron Holderby, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Grant T. Hollett, Jr., USN (Ret.)

Admiral James L. Holloway, USN (Ret.)

Major General William Hoover, USAF (Ret.)

General Charles A. “Chuck” Horner, USAF (Ret.)

Brigadier General James Hourin, USAF (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Jefferson D. Howell, Jr., USMC (Ret.)

Lieutenant General John I. Hudson, USMC (Ret.)

Vice Admiral James D. Hull, USN (Ret.)

Major General Evan Hultman, USA (Ret.)

Major General Charles A. Ingram, USA (Ret.)

Admiral Bobby R. Inman, USN (Ret.)

Major General Harry Jenkins, USMC (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Ronald H. Jesberg, USN (Ret.)

Admiral Gregory G. “Grog” Johnson, USN (Ret.)

Admiral Jerome Johnson, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral J. Michael “Carlos” Johnson, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Steve Kantrowitz, USNR (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Douglas Katz, USN (Ret.)

General P.X. Kelley, USMC (Ret.)

Admiral Robert J. “Barney” Kelly, USN (Ret.)

Admiral Frank B. Kelso II, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral John Kerr, USNR (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Claude M. “Mick” Kicklighter, USA (Ret.)

Major General Phillip G. Killey, USAF (Ret.)

Admiral George E.R. “Gus” Kinnear II, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Jack W. Klimp, USMC (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Hal Koenig, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Alexander J. Krekich, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Ed Kristensen, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Derald Lary, USAF (Ret.)

Admiral Charles R. “Chuck” Larson, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Rufus C. Lazzell, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Ward M. LeHardy, USA (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Tony Less, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Frederick L. Lewis, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Frank Libutti, USMC (Ret.)

Brigadier General William Lindaman, USAF (Ret.)

General James J. Lindsay, USA (Ret.)

Major General James E. Livingston, USMC (Ret.)

Rear Admiral James W. Lisanby, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Dan Locker, USAF (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Stephen Loftus, USN (Ret.)

General John Michael Loh, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Noah H. Long, USNR (Ret.)

Admiral Joseph Lopez, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Mike Luecke, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Thomas C. Lynch, USN (Ret.)

Admiral James A. “Ace” Lyons, Jr., USN (Ret.)

General Robert Magnus, USMC (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Michael D. Malone, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Daniel P. March, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Edward H. Martin, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral John J. Mazach, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Dan McCarthy, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral William “Scot” McCauley, USN (Ret.)

Major General James C. McCombs, USAF (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Fred McCorkle, USMC (Ret.)

Major General Billy McCoy, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Bill McDaniel, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Craig O. McDonald, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral E.S. “Skip” McGinley, II, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Denny McGinn, USN (Ret.)

Admiral Kinnard R. McKee, USN (Ret.)

Major General Ed Mechenbier, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral George Meinig, USN (Ret.)

Major General Robert L. Menist, USA (Ret.)

Major General Stuart D. Menist, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral William F. Merlin, USCG (Ret.)

Admiral Paul David Miller, USN (Ret.)

Major General Robert W. Mixon, Jr., USA (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Joseph Mobley, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Patrick D. Moneymaker, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Benjamin Montoya, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Charles J. Moore, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Douglas Moore, Jr., USN (Ret.)

Major General W. Bruce Moore, USA (Ret.)

Major General Warren Moore, USAF (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Joseph P. Moorer, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Paul Moses, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Paul Mulloy, USN (Ret.)

Major General William L. Mundie, USA (Ret.)

General Carl E. Mundy, Jr., USMC (Ret.)

Major General Terry Murray, USMC (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Hank Mustin, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Carol Mutter, USMC (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Jack Natter, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Jerry Neff, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Mike Neil, USMCR (Ret.)

Brigadier General Robert Henry Neitz, USAF (Ret.)

Brigadier General Ben Nelson, Jr., USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Ed Nelson, USCG (Ret.)

Brigadier General Warren “Bud” Nelson, USAF (Ret.)

Brigadier General Eddie Newman, USA (Ret.)

Major General George W. Norwood, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Jacqueline “Jackie” O’Meara, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Ira C. “Chuck” Owens, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Maria C. Owens, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Robert S. “Rupe” Owens, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Dave Palmer, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Robert V. Paschon, USAF (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Ellis D. “Don” Parker, USA (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Ted Parker, USN (Ret.)

Major General Earl G. Peck, USAF (Ret.)

Major General John Peppers, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Maurice Phillips, USA (Ret.)

Major General Paul A. Pochara, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral David Polatty, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Thomas J. Porter, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Noel G. Preston, USN (Ret.)

Admiral Joseph W. Prueher, USN (Ret.)

Major General Bill Raines, USA (Ret.)

Vice Admiral William E. Ramsey, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral William Retz, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Jon A. Reynolds, USAF (Ret.)

Vice Admiral David C. Richardson, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Thomas M. Rienzi, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Stewart Andrew Ring, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Steve Ritchie, USAF (Ret.)

Major General James Milnor Roberts, Jr., USA (Ret.)

Vice Admiral David B. Robinson, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Bill Roll, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Wayne Rosenthal, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Pete Rots, USCG (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Ed Rowny, USA (Ret.)

Major General Michael D. Ryan, USMC (Ret.)

Vice Admiral John R. Ryan, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Luciano C. Salamone, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Jim Schear, USNR (Ret.)

Major General Carl G. Schneider, USAF (Ret.)

Brigadier General Dennis Schulstad, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Hugh Scott, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral James E. Service, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Bill Shawcross, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Edward D. “Ted” Sheafer, Jr., USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Mike Sheridan, USMC (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Robert F. “Dutch” Shoultz, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Robert H. Shumaker, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Bruce Smith, USN (Ret.)

Admiral Leighton “Snuffy” Smith, Jr., USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Norman Smith, USMC (Ret.)

Major General Richard D. Smith, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Robert (Bob) Smith, III, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Stan Smith, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Roy D. Snyder, USN (Ret.)

Major General J.R. Spalding, USAF (Ret.)

Major General Stanhope S. Spears, Adjutant General, South Carolina

Major General Ralph Spraker, USAF (Ret.)

Brigadier General Bill Spruance, USAF (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Hank Stackpole, USMC (Ret.)

Rear Admiral James Stark, USN (Ret.)

General Carl Stiner, USA (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Edward M. Straw, USN (Ret.)

Major General Ansel M. Stroud, USA (Ret.)

Major General Willam A. Studer, USAF (Ret.)

Major General Leroy N. Suddath, USA (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Gordon Sumner, Jr., USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Paul E. Sutherland, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Bob Sutton, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Jeremy Taylor, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Jimmie Taylor, USN (Ret.)

Major General Robert C. Taylor, USAF (Ret.)

Rear Admiral William E. Terry, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Deese Thompson, USCG (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Howie Thorsen, USCG (Ret.)

Lieutenant General Robert Tiebout, USMC, Marine Corps (Ret).

Major General Harold Timboe, M.D., USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Ernest E. Tissot, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Robert F. Titus, USAF (Ret.)

Vice Admiral John B. Totushek, USN (Ret.)

Major General Rockly Triantafellu, USAF (Ret.)

Admiral Carlyle A. H. Trost, USN (Ret.)

Vice Admiral Jerry Unruh, USN (Ret.)

Major General Alfred A. Valenzuela, USA (Ret.)

Major General Paul Vallely, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Lloyd “Joe” Vasey, USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General John Vines, USA (Ret.)

Major General John G. “Jack” Waggener, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Edward K. Walker, Jr., USN (Ret.)

Lieutenant General John F. Wall, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General W.L. “Bill” Wallace, USA (Ret.)

Admiral James D. Watkins, USN (Ret.)

Major General Gary Wattnem, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Donald Weatherson, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Hugh Webster, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Arvid E. West, USA (Ret.)

Major General Drax Williams, USMC (Ret.)

Lieutenant General James A. Williams, USA (Ret.)

Brigadier General Mitchell M. Willoughby, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Dennis Wisely, USN (Ret.)

Major General Herbert E. Wolff, USA (Ret.)

Major General John J. Womack, USA (Ret.)

Major General Dan Wood, USA (Ret.)

Lieutenant General John W. Woodmansee, USA (Ret.)

Rear Admiral George Worthington, USN (Ret.)

Rear Admiral Earl P. Yates, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Allan R. Zenotwitz, USA (Ret.)

Admiral Ronald J. Zlatoper, USN (Ret.)

Brigadier General Mitchell M. Zais, USA (Ret.)
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Looks like Obama/Powell are outgunned.

 

[TheDude]

None of them are Powell, though.

 

[shagdrum]

None of them are Powell, though.

They are at least as credible as Powell, many of them more so.

 

[TheDude]

Joke, it was. Taking the piss out of Monster, you know.

 

[MonsterMark]

None of them are Powell, though.

I'll take a Schwarzkopf over a Powell any day.

I see there is no refuting what I posted.

I will give you a couple of days to assemble a similar list supporting Obama.

 

[TheDude]

That more military men support a Republican over a Democrat is of no surprize. Those men are entitled to their vote; they can cast it any which way you like. They at least have the comfort of endorsing McCain without being labled on racial issues.

I do understand the anger towards Powell from the Right, he's a popular and respected guy on both sides (or was until now), he recently served under Bush and he has strong ties/connection with Reagan (the Right's holy grail), how "uppity" of him to break ranks.

 

[shagdrum]

They at least have the comfort of endorsing McCain without being labled on racial issues.

That is a mischaracterization; Obama is not being "labeled on racial issues". He is being called on endorsing Obama due to what can only be race, as well as elitism. You are grossly exagurating things...

 

[Calabrio]

None of them are Powell, though.

Actually that's exactly what it is.
Everyone knows who Powell is. He's a celebrity.
That's even bigger than getting Oprah's endorsement.

Of course, it help more weight a few years ago.
Conservatives haven't been too impressed with Powell for the past 10 years. And liberals have never liked him.

But to the "independents" (or people who don't have any interest in current events), while he might not have much influence, he will help someone supporting Obama feel better about the decision.

 

[TheDude]

That is a mischaracterization; Obama is not being "labeled on racial issues". He is being called on endorsing Obama due to what can only be race, as well as elitism. You are grossly exagurating things...

Odd, you say I'm wrong about it being "racial", then you support what I said by saying "what can only be race". Make up your mind.

 

[Joeychgo]

I will give you a couple of days to assemble a similar list supporting Obama.

Can you give me about 2 weeks? Then we'll have a real list of those supporting Obama.

If you cant wait, here is something from the Wall street Journal
Obama Opens Double-Digit Lead
New Poll Shows McCain Ceding Ground on Taxes, Values; Palin Loses Shine

 

[MonsterMark]

I do understand the anger towards Powell from the Right, he's a popular and respected guy on both sides (or was until now), he recently served under Bush and he has strong ties/connection with Reagan (the Right's holy grail), how "uppity" of him to break ranks.

Obviously you once again chose to ignore a post I made that concerned Powell's connection not only to Obama, but his 'roots' as an African-American and his support for that culture.

Go take a look at what I posted and then you will understand why Powell chose to endorse Obama. Race.

 

[MonsterMark]

Can you give me about 2 weeks? Then we'll have a real list of those supporting Obama.

Ya, whatever.

IBD/TIPP Poll



AP Poll



And the Battleground Poll has them tied.

If you don't think people have lied about who they are voting for, I feel for you on election day.

 

[shagdrum]

Odd, you say I'm wrong about it being "racial", then you support what I said by saying "what can only be race". Make up your mind.

Saying "racial issues" implies and assumes certian things. Affirmative-action, quotas, black pride, whatever. Someone basing their choice on race is not a "racial issue" and does not label Powell (which you were implying) on "racial issues".

Your statement was effectively broadening the scope of the original critique of Powell and obfuscationg things. (I know you love that word. )

 

[shagdrum]

Ya, whatever.


If you don't think people have lied about who they are voting for, I feel for you on election day.

Another factor that was mentioned in one of my classes today with regards to polls...

The polls are conducted by landlines and have been for decades.

This fact lead to at least one poll in 1936 saying close to the election that FDR was going to lose by a substancial margin. Phones were new at the time and only the wealthy had them (for the most part), so they polled mostly republicans.

The reverse is true today. Anyone can afford a land-line and many are moving away from them to only cell phones (myself included). So polls are going to talk to more lower income people.

Also, if they are calling in the day, they are going to get a lot of unemployed and elderly.

Don't know how much this affects the polls, but it is a factor.

 

[TheDude]

Saying "racial issues" implies and assumes certian things. Affirmative-action, quotas, black pride, whatever. Someone basing their choice on race is not a "racial issue" and does not label Powell (which you were implying) on "racial issues".

Your statement was effectively broadening the scope of the original critique of Powell and obfuscationg things. (I know you love that word. )

Yeah, there's many that believe Powell is endorsing Obama because he's black like Powell, ie the issue has to do with race or a "racial issue".

Don't read more into it.

 

[shagdrum]

Yeah, there's many that believe Powell is endorsing Obama because he's black like Powell, ie the issue has to do with race or a "racial issue".

What about the idea that he is simply tired of being called an "Uncle Tom" or "White" because his is black and not a radical liberal? It is distinctly possible that he is looking for some sort of legitimization here.

Race could have influenced his decision in any number of ways. No one making the argument that Powell's decision was about race is claiming it was because Obama is "black like Powell". They are just saying it was based on race.

You are assuming what that means without any evidence to support that assumption to the exclusion of other possibilities.

And you are distracting from your original claim that Powell is being labeled on "racial issues".

"Racial issues" is a separate and distinct concept from "race". You are effectively broadening the definition of race to include racial issues. You are equivocating.

"Racial issues" includes "race", but "race" (in an ethicity sense) does not include "racial issues".

Again you are broadening the scope of the original critique of Powell and obfuscating what is being claimed. You are effectively mischaracterizing here.

 

[Marcus]

My head is starting to ache from reading this.

 

[Marcus]

And would someone please help explain why some of these threads are suddenly running off the screen? Am I the only one who sees this? The "GOP spent $150,000 in donations on Palin's look" thread is just fine. This thread is going off the screen. I don't see any over-sized graphics, so what's causing it?

 

[shagdrum]

And would someone please help explain why some of these threads are suddenly running off the screen? Am I the only one who sees this? The "GOP spent $150,000 in donations on Palin's look" thread is just fine. This thread is going off the screen. I don't see any over-sized graphics, so what's causing it?

The cylons!

 

[ford nut]

And would someone please help explain why some of these threads are suddenly running off the screen? Am I the only one who sees this? The "GOP spent $150,000 in donations on Palin's look" thread is just fine. This thread is going off the screen. I don't see any over-sized graphics, so what's causing it?

Its not for me its normal.
Is that whats giving you the head ache ?

 

[Marcus]

What about the idea that he is simply tired of being called an "Uncle Tom" or "White" because his is black and not a radical liberal? It is distinctly possible that he is looking for some sort of legitimization here.

Race could have influenced his decision in any number of ways. No one making the argument that Powell's decision was about race is claiming it was because Obama is "black like Powell". They are just saying it was based on race.

You are assuming what that means without any evidence to support that assumption to the exclusion of other possibilities.

And you are distracting from your original claim that Powell is being labeled on "racial issues".

"Racial issues" is a separate and distinct concept from "race". You are effectively broadening the definition of race to include racial issues. You are equivocating.

"Racial issues" includes "race", but "race" (in an ethicity sense) does not include "racial issues".

Again you are broadening the scope of the original critique of Powell and obfuscating what is being claimed. You are effectively mischaracterizing here.

This reminds me of the argument that everything depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

 

[foxpaws]

just ask the king of the dotted line - look at some of Bryan's posts (in this case the first post - at the bottom of the list) - they have this dotted line in them - that is what is causing the oversizing of the page...

And, only cylons would do such a dastardly, underhanded, despicable thing...

 

[TheDude]

What about the idea that he is simply tired of being called an "Uncle Tom" or "White" because his is black and not a radical liberal? It is distinctly possible that he is looking for some sort of legitimization here.

Race could have influenced his decision in any number of ways. No one making the argument that Powell's decision was about race is claiming it was because Obama is "black like Powell". They are just saying it was based on race.

You are assuming what that means without any evidence to support that assumption to the exclusion of other possibilities.

And you are distracting from your original claim that Powell is being labeled on "racial issues".

"Racial issues" is a separate and distinct concept from "race". You are effectively broadening the definition of race to include racial issues. You are equivocating.

"Racial issues" includes "race", but "race" (in an ethicity sense) does not include "racial issues".

Again you are broadening the scope of the original critique of Powell and obfuscating what is being claimed. You are effectively mischaracterizing here.

Punch that wall all you like, but like I said:

Don't read more into it.

 

[TheDude]

And, only cylons would do such a dastardly, underhanded, despicable thing...

Did we forget about Skynet?

 

[foxpaws]

You know, now that you bring it up - I think Bryan is more Borg (hive mentality) than Cylon.