Restoring Honor - 8/28/10

foxpaws

Dedicated LVC Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2008
Messages
3,971
Reaction score
0
Location
Denver
Do you think this is a good idea - on this day Beck has a rally scheduled at the Lincoln Memorial to unveil his 100 Year Plan (which is a book he has written, which will be released on that day) as well as honor service members.

If it is to honor service members why not do it on Memorial Day - or VJ or VE or Veterans Day - it seems like an extremely odd choice of date.

I personally hope they deny the permit...

Restoring Honor

Come join Glenn and members of the Special Operations Warrior Foundation at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. on August 28, 2010 for the Restoring Honor Rally. This non-political, non-partisan event will recognize our First Amendment rights and honor the service members who fight to protect those freedoms.
 
I don't know why he chose the date, but look at August 28, 1963, for a probable reason.
 
Why do you hate the Special Operations Warrior Foundation?:rolleyes:

And, to the best of my knowledge, the permit has already been granted. You'll have to think of another way to suppress free speech and this public assembly.
And it's interesting how vigilant you are when it comes to suppressing speech that doesn't embrace your statist role of massive federal government.
Actually, it's not interesting, it's rather revolting.

And I'm not aware of him releasing a book on August 28.
He has a fiction book coming out in June though.

background-828_04.jpg

Come join Glenn and members of the Special Operations Warrior Foundation at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. on August 28, 2010 for the Restoring Honor Rally. This non-political, non-partisan event will recognize our First Amendment rights and honor the service members who fight to protect those freedoms.

There certainly is symbolism in the date.
MLK supported non-violent resistance and is recognized as supporting a country where we were judged by our character and not separated and manipulated through identity politics.
It's going to be a powerful event, I suggest people attend it.

What's your problem with it, foxpaws?
 
This non-political, non-partisan event will recognize our First Amendment rights and honor the service members who fight to protect those freedoms.
Because of the date - you think they might want to include 'civil rights'?

Doesn't this seem a little like a slap...
 
Because of the date - you think they might want to include 'civil rights'?
You think it should be a civil rights rally on that day?
Should Al Sharpton lead it? Louis Farrakan? Maybe Rev. Write?
What is your point?

Because this just seems like another subversive talking point your testing to undermine the event. Your concern doesn't seem genuine, merely an opportunistic attempt to misrepresent and malign.

Doesn't this seem a little like a slap...
It doesn't seem like that at all.
And I've addressed that in the previous post. I was editing it when you posted a response.

Ultimately, isn't civil rights about everyone being treated equally by the law? About a political and legal system that pays applies and enforces it's laws blindly, without prejudice.
Isn't civil rights about the freedom of he individual and the abolition of identity politics that put people ingroups, rather than value them as individuals?

And is civil rights exclusively a black issue? Isn't it really about liberty and freedom.
 
You think it should be a civil rights rally on that day?
Should Al Sharpton lead it? Louis Farrakan? Maybe Rev. Write?
What is your point?

Yes I do think it should be a civil rights rally on that day. Every August 28th lots of people show up at the feet of Lincoln to celebrate Martin Luther King, and his immortal words... "I have a dream".

Why mention those men? Martin Luther King III, or his sister Bernice are both excellent speakers (especially Bernice), and John Lewis would be an obvious choice (although Lewis is a little dig - Beck didn't seem to know that Lewis was a civil rights activist - he probably doesn't know that he was one of the 6 men who lead the march on Washington in August 1963). Or maybe Cal you had to add some sort of comment there...

To have Glenn Beck there - pushing some book that outlines his plan for the next 100 years seems wrong, for him not to even acknowledge why this day is so important - and not to even mention civil rights, or MLK seems unforgivable.

Ultimately, isn't civil rights about everyone being treated equally by the law? About a political and legal system that pays applies and enforces it's laws blindly, without prejudice.
Isn't civil rights about the freedom of he individual and the abolition of identity politics that put people ingroups, rather than value them as individuals?

And is civil rights exclusively a black issue? Isn't it really about liberty and freedom.

And shouldn't you mention civil rights when you have a rally planned on one of the most important days in the history of the civil rights movement?

As I said before, I hope they deny him his permit.

His book...
All of the above will culminate in The Plan, a book that will provide specific policies, principles and, most importantly, action steps that each of us can take to play a role in this Refounding.

On August 28, 2010, I ask you, your family and neighbors to join me at the feet of Abraham Lincoln on the National Mall for the unveiling of The Plan and the birthday of a new national movement to restore our great country.​

Oh I did notice your edit Cal - I don't think you had a clue on why 8/28 was so important...
 
Yes I do think it should be a civil rights rally on that day. Every August 28th lots of people show up at the feet of Lincoln to celebrate Martin Luther King, and his immortal words... "I have a dream".
I thought the immortal words were that his children would "one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Why mention those men?
Why are you insistent in making this an issue or race?

and John Lewis would be an obvious choice .... Or maybe Cal you had to add some sort of comment there...
John Lewis is a disgrace.
His actions along side Nancy Pelosi upon passage of the Obamacare bill MOCKED and trivialized what he had been apart of in 1963.
Beck's point was 100% valid and accurate. It's disgusting to use the imagery of the Civil Rights movement to the passage of an unconstitutional health care take over bill. Lewis, Pelosi, they deliberately used that image while attempting to provoke the "tea party mob" into doing something uncivil on camera. When the provocation didn't work, they simply manufactured a false claim that a racist term was yelled. Those people are disgusting, vile, and I question the character and integrity of anyone who associates with them or defends them.

To have Glenn Beck there - pushing some book that outlines his plan for the next 100 years seems wrong,
Actually, I haven't seen anything concrete about a book coming out in August. If a book were being readied for a high profile release in August, would it be available for pre-order on Amazon?

I know- he mentioned it at the Villages in Florida. But a lot has changed since then. Even the entire concept of the conventions, or the "revivals," has changed.
I've heard no subsequent mention of a "PLAN' book being released to correspond with the Restoring Honor event, I see no evidence by the publishers on the internet.

So, unless you can actually point to something concrete, I suggest you stop saying that he's releasing a book in August. And by concrete, I don't mean reports from last November, reporting on the the comment he made at the villages. He's releasing a FICTION book in June, that's all I see evidence of.

for him not to even acknowledge why this day is so important - and not to even mention civil rights, or MLK seems unforgivable.
Not to let truth or facts get in the way of your demagoguery and propaganda, but HE HAS spoken quite extensively about how the event is going to fall on the anniversary of the "I Have A Dream" speech, and he makes frequent mention of MLK as well, including having his niece on the show. As I've stated before, Beck has been very interested and motivated by MLK and Ghandi's use of non-violent resistance.

And shouldn't you mention civil rights when you have a rally planned on one of the most important days in the history of the civil rights movement?
Again I ask, what about civil rights do you think should be focused on. And are civil rights uniquely a black issue?

As I said before, I hope they deny him his permit.
I'm pretty sure they've already gotten the permit, but why should they be denied the permit?

You don't like his free speech?

Or do you hate non-political, non-partisan event that recognize our First Amendment rights and honor the service members who fight to protect those freedoms while raising money for the Special Operations Warriors Foundation?

Somehow, once again, you just don't seem like your really being honest about this. You mocked the 9-12 event in D.C. because it wasn't organized right, now, when it's being organized properly, you're trying undermine it already- and using a veiled attack painting it as racist and racial insensitivity.

Oh I did notice your edit Cal - I don't think you had a clue on why 8/28 was so important...

Find me a link to pre-order his book. The guy has a bunch of best-sellers, if he had a book coming out, it'd be available for pre-order. It'd be posted on a publisher's website somewhere.
Find some evidence of this book. I honestly don't think there is one. I think that was an idea he had in November, but things have changed.

And i think the RESTORING HONOR event will be amazing and encourage everyone to attend.
 
John Lewis is a disgrace.
His actions along side Nancy Pelosi upon passage of the Obamacare bill MOCKED and trivialized what he had been apart of in 1963.
Beck's point was 100% valid and accurate. It's disgusting to use the imagery of the Civil Rights movement to the passage of an unconstitutional health care take over bill. Lewis, Pelosi, they deliberately used that image while attempting to provoke the "tea party mob" into doing something uncivil on camera. When the provocation didn't work, they simply manufactured a false claim that a racist term was yelled. Those people are disgusting, vile, and I question the character and integrity of anyone who associates with them or defends them.

It is up to John Lewis if he wants to recreate a scene from his past - and I don't think you have any cause to judge him, he went through that time, you and I didn't. He was the one that the police beat and tear gassed during a peaceful protest. If he felt that strongly about his work oh Health Care reform - I think it is up to him to decide if that is a road that he wants to travel again.

And Cal, calling a man disgusting who went through unspeakable things during the civil rights movement is vile. You didn't walk over that bridge outside of in Selma, you have no idea of the type of life John Lewis has lead, or have any idea of the sacrifices he made for a free and just America - you don't deserve to shine his shoes.
Actually, I haven't seen anything concrete about a book coming out in August. If a book were being readied for a high profile release in August, would it be available for pre-order on Amazon?

I know- he mentioned it at the Villages in Florida. But a lot has changed since then. Even the entire concept of the conventions, or the "revivals," has changed.
I've heard no subsequent mention of a "PLAN' book being released to correspond with the Restoring Honor event, I see no evidence by the publishers on the internet.

So, unless you can actually point to something concrete, I suggest you stop saying that he's releasing a book in August. And by concrete, I don't mean reports from last November, reporting on the the comment he made at the villages. He's releasing a FICTION book in June, that's all I see evidence of.
Here you go - on Beck's website where he very clearly states he is going to have a book...
All of the above will culminate in The Plan, a book that will provide specific policies, principles and, most importantly, action steps that each of us can take to play a role in this Refounding.

- On August 28, 2010, I ask you, your family and neighbors to join me at the feet of Abraham Lincoln on the National Mall for the unveiling of The Plan and the birthday of a new national movement to restore our great country.
Do you have anything that he states he is recanting this statement? That he isn't going to be doing this? I can't find anything. As far as I can tell this is still happening. Or perhaps has he just let it go by the wayside - a bad idea - perhaps he just couldn't figure out his hundred year plan, perhaps he spoke before he thought this through, certainly wouldn't be the first time that would have occurred with Beck, that he would have opened his mouth before he engaged his brain. He very clearly states, on his show - that he is going to have a plan out then... Did he lie, did he change his mind - could it be he forgot - could it be that he can't plan something for next week, let alone for 100 years...

Not to let truth or facts get in the way of your demagoguery and propaganda, but HE HAS spoken quite extensively about how the event is going to fall on the anniversary of the "I Have A Dream" speech, and he makes frequent mention of MLK as well, including having his niece on the show. As I've stated before, Beck has been very interested and motivated by MLK and Ghandi's use of non-violent resistance.

So, do you have a link... I sort of wandered around a little, but didn't see any connection, where he mentioned his Restore rally and the March on Washington in 1963 and I would really think on the actual website for it he might want to mention it...

Why would Beck use MLK - here is a man who lived and breathed and fought for 'social justice' something that Beck finds so vile that he felt he had to make sure he warned us of its evil. In fact MLK has a very famous speech entitled 'Social Justice and the Emerging New Age" given at WMU in '63. Of course, maybe MLK didn't know what 'social justice' meant, like Hamilton had a different concept of it... however King did call for "among the vital jobs to be done, the nation ... must incorporate into its planning some compensatory consideration for the handicaps [the Negro] has inherited from the past." And King also started the Poor People's Campaign and demanded a $30 billion Economic Bill of Rights guaranteeing employment to the able-bodied and government provided incomes to those unable to work.

And most people label MLK as progressive, a socialist progressive... "I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic," Beck's record on how he views progressives is pretty well documented.

Or, can't Beck find anyone on the right that follows the guidelines of peaceable revolt - certainly Ghandi is no where near the right either. It seems rather hypocritical that he has to use strong left figures to get his point across...

Or do you hate non-political, non-partisan event that recognize our First Amendment rights and honor the service members who fight to protect those freedoms while raising money for the Special Operations Warriors Foundation?

Somehow, once again, you just don't seem like your really being honest about this. You mocked the 9-12 event in D.C. because it wasn't organized right, now, when it's being organized properly, you're trying undermine it already- and using a veiled attack painting it as racist and racial insensitivity.
So, be warned - if you go to the rally, and give money to this cause or buy a t-shirt or whatever...
The purchase of Restoring Honor Rally merchandise is not a donation to SOWF, but all net proceeds from the sale of Restoring Honor Rally merchandise is being donated to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. All contributions made to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation (SOWF) will first be applied to the costs of the Restoring Honor Rally taking place on August 28, 2010. All contributions in excess of these costs will then be retained by the SOWF.

You will paying things like speaker salaries, travel costs, hotels, meals, etc first - and 'if' there is any money left over some kids might get some scholarship money...

However, Beck has stated that he will make up the difference... so don't give - let's watch Beck put his money where his mouth is...

If you really want to give to this good cause - give directly to SOWF - and not to the Restoring Honor Rally. Go to http://www.specialops.org/?page=Make_A_Donation

And i think the RESTORING HONOR event will be amazing and encourage everyone to attend.

Remember, no t-shirts were sold in 1963, MLK wasn't paid a speaker fee, MLK never asked for people to donate money to offset his costs, and if you want to go to this rally, stand at the side, watch if it really is 'non-political' as advertised (although it now looks like Sarah Palin might even join in on the fun) and maybe you might hear an echo...
Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline.

And Cal - you might hear those words whispering though the pines near the monument - and remember - it might be time to leave your bitterness...
 
It is up to John Lewis if he wants to recreate a scene from his past - and I don't think you have any cause to judge him
I have every "cause" to judge him.
What he did was a disgrace.

He trivialized the challenges of the movement in 1963.
And Pelosi and he deliberately set out to provoke the protesters who were peacefully assembled. When they failed to provoke an assault, Lewis LIED about being called a racial slur.
That's disgusting.
The man has become a vile liar.
And it's no surprise that you hold him in high regard.

it doesn't matter how many times you were hit in the head 50 years ago, that doesn't make his actions TODAY acceptable.

The man is a liar and a hypocrite.
He even equated John McCain to the Democrat racist George Wallace during the Presidential race.


And Cal, calling a man disgusting who went through unspeakable things during the civil rights movement is vile.
No it's not. It's the truth.

You didn't walk over that bridge outside of in Selma, you have no idea of the type of life John Lewis has lead, or have any idea of the sacrifices he made for a free and just America - you don't deserve to shine his shoes.
You're right, I don't.
I'm better than that, I wouldn't do it.

Here you go - on Beck's website where he very clearly states he is going to have a book...
And the date on that:
November 26, 2009
My challenge stands....

Do you have anything that he states he is recanting this statement? That he isn't going to be doing this? I can't find anything.
Instead of my finding the negative, why don't you find something that indicates that it is still something in the works. I do not believe that it is. If this high profile book was being released, I would suspect that there'd be a build up. The ability to pre-order on Amazon. Something.

He has a FICTION book coming out in June. You can pre-order it on Amazon. A lot has changed since he made the appearance in the villages, I suspect the release of a "The Plan" has too.

If you find something other than the Nov, 2009 mention, let me see it. But I really don't think he's releasing any "Plan" book in August, or at all.

As far as I can tell this is still happening.
It doesn't matter to you, you're just looking for a way to frame this in the negative. "he's a racist, insensitive, capitalist.... He's exploiting racism.... And that creep race baiter John Lewis is a noble man who's shoes need shining."

Or perhaps has he just let it go by the wayside -
Or perhaps we live in a very dynamic world where our awareness of what is actually happening is changing and that's forcing all of us to constantly examine the best way to move forward to save the country from the people you support.

What it looks like is that he had an idea in November, he announced it, and has instead pursued things differently. That's why there no mentions of this book since November of 2009.

So, do you have a link... I sort of wandered around a little, but didn't see any connection, where he mentioned his Restore rally and the March on Washington in 1963 and I would really think on the actual website for it he might want to mention it...
I don't know if it's on his website or not. It's been addressed at live events, on the TV show, and on the radio show though.

Why would Beck use MLK - here is a man who lived and breathed and fought for 'social justice' something that Beck finds so vile that he felt he had to make sure he warned us of its evil.
MLK fought for civil rights and he used non-violent resistance.
That is focus.

So, be warned - if you go to the rally, and give money to this cause or buy a t-shirt or whatever...
All proceeds from the event are going to pay for the event and the remainder will be donated to the SOWF, an organization which has very low operating costs.

And Cal - you might hear those words whispering though the pines near the monument - and remember - it might be time to leave your bitterness...
Wow... You're really on a rather bitter, hateful crusade here.
You've really got Beck in your sights, don't you? I can't remember seeing such a focused hit from you. Will that be the talking point e-mailed to useful idiots in the weeks before the event?

We can only speculate as to what is causing this rather passionate, and precisely targeted political campaign on your part. Are you handlers and friends getting a little worried by Beck's work regarding the CCX and the fraud Cap and Trade Schemes?

Beck isn't going to make any money off this rally.
The donation appeals are CLEARLY explained as a way of paying for the event, any extra is going to go to the SOWF. There is no confusion regarding that point. The fact is, the event, permits, and security (largely because of your radical friends) will result in the event costing several million dollars.

If you don't want to support the rally, then please donate to the SOWF directly, as foxpaws suggested.
 
I have every "cause" to judge him.
What he did was a disgrace.

He trivialized the challenges of the movement in 1963.
And Pelosi and he deliberately set out to provoke the protesters who were peacefully assembled. When they failed to provoke an assault, Lewis LIED about being called a racial slur.
That's disgusting.
The man has become a vile liar.
And it's no surprise that you hold him in high regard.

it doesn't matter how many times you were hit in the head 50 years ago, that doesn't make his actions TODAY acceptable.

Wow - Cal, talk about bitter - the man is an American Hero - just because you don't agree with health care doesn't remove that.

Many civil rights activists believe that the health care bill is part of King's Dream... He certainly spoke out against the healthcare system...
Of all forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most shocking and inhumane.
--- Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

And once again, his Poor People's campaign called for the government to provide health care for the poor.

So, John Lewis' wishing to show that sign of solidarity is a reflection of what was yet another completed step of King's dream.

And you only have hearsay on both sides on the lying about the racial slur - neither side has proof - although the police did detain some one for spitting on a congressman during the protest, and only released him because the congressman refused to press charges.

The man is a liar and a hypocrite.
He even equated John McCain to the Democrat racist George Wallace during the Presidential race.

And Lewis was only warning the McCain/Palin campaign about what he saw, first hand, in the past when dealing with the populace and how they can take what seems to be fairly innocent words and suddenly a very bad thing can happen. He saw what happened with Wallace's rhetoric and the fate of 4 girls, burning to death in a church. Of course he didn't want to see a repeat of history - history he lived, first hand...

And the date on that:
November 26, 2009
My challenge stands....

I found where Glenn Beck himself said that this was going to occur - so, until I am told differently by Beck, I will take him at his word...

Instead of my finding the negative, why don't you find something that indicates that it is still something in the works. I do not believe that it is. If this high profile book was being released, I would suspect that there'd be a build up. The ability to pre-order on Amazon. Something.

He has a FICTION book coming out in June. You can pre-order it on Amazon. A lot has changed since he made the appearance in the villages, I suspect the release of a "The Plan" has too.

If you find something other than the Nov, 2009 mention, let me see it. But I really don't think he's releasing any "Plan" book in August, or at all

Or perhaps we live in a very dynamic world where our awareness of what is actually happening is changing and that's forcing all of us to constantly examine the best way to move forward to save the country from the people you support.

What it looks like is that he had an idea in November, he announced it, and has instead pursued things differently. That's why there no mentions of this book since November of 2009..

So, perhaps Beck is reneging on his 100 year plan? There are no mentions because he probably bit off more than he could chew - or realized a 100 year plan is ridiculous...

I wouldn't be surprised that Beck won't have a 100 year plan - as I said, he can't seem to create cohesive thoughts from day to day...

So I guess a big "Never Mind" is in order - right? :rolleyes:

I don't know if it's on his website or not. It's been addressed at live events, on the TV show, and on the radio show though.

So, not link one - right - on how Beck links MLK with his 'Restore" rally - funny, you can find the audio and video from all his shows on his website. So, how about a link to his show - or his radio broadcast - there has to just be one thing out there Cal....

MLK fought for civil rights and he used non-violent resistance.
That is focus.

So, why doesn't he use right leaning non-violent protesters... like Peggy Hartshorn, however, she certainly doesn't have the high level of celebrity like MLK.

And, once again - if the left even mentions a person or an idea - the right takes that 'mention' all the way to the very extreme parts of that idea, or the most radical thoughts... So, if you have actually read Marx, or mention one of his ideas in a speech - you must believe and embrace everything he stands for. So if Beck embraces MLK's non-violent resistance philosophy - how can Beck only grasp that small portion of MLK and not take the complete package? That is how the right treats this - all or nothing - I am just expecting that they would hold themselves to the same standards... either Beck should embrace all of MLK or none...

Wow... You're really on a rather bitter, hateful crusade here.
You've really got Beck in your sights, don't you? I can't remember seeing such a focused hit from you. Will that be the talking point e-mailed to useful idiots in the weeks before the event?

Yes I do have Beck in my sights... however, I don't take part in email campaigns - they are rather foolish.

The only thing about this thread is this subject - and the fact that this rally is an affront to anyone who understand the history of the civil rights movement and the ideals of MLK. A man who believed in social justice, health care for all, guaranteed employment, strong unions, all things that Glenn Beck states he is against.
Beck isn't going to make any money off this rally.
The donation appeals are CLEARLY explained as a way of paying for the event, any extra is going to go to the SOWF. There is no confusion regarding that point. The fact is, the event, permits, and security (largely because of your radical friends) will result in the event costing several million dollars.

So, once again - don't give any money to this rally - give directly to SOWF. The rally already has a luxury chauffeured limo service involved... you wouldn't want Glen arriving in a Prius, would you.... And no doubt they will get other corporate sponsors - let them pay for the rally, you should give your money to a worthy charity, and not to Glenn Beck's egotistical rally. You can still go to the rally - I would assume it is free. And see how closely they adhere to their 'non political - non partisan' stance. We will see if no one mentions 'voting' or supporting candidates or attacking current politicians... Can they truly be 'non political and non-partisan' as they promise?

If you don't want to support the rally, then please donate to the SOWF directly, as foxpaws suggested.

Once again - Glenn Beck and his ilk do not need your money - SOWF does - please contribute directly to them, because there is certainly a decent chance that only pennies of each dollar you give to the rally will ever end up in the coffers of SOWF, if even that.
 
So, John Lewis' wishing to show that sign of solidarity is a reflection of what was yet another completed step of King's dream.
That wasn't a sign of solidarity and you know it.
It was a deliberate act of provocation with the intention of provoking a response from the violent "tea party" people protesting in D.C. that day. They were hoping for a racial or violent response before the cameras.

And when none happened, they lied about it and simply made up the claim.

There was no solidarity here. There was no struggle. Nor was there a reason to walk through a crowd of people angry about an unconstitutional bill passed by an out of control government..



And you only have hearsay on both sides on the lying about the racial slur - neither side has proof - although the police did detain some one for spitting on a congressman during the protest, and only released him because the congressman refused to press charges.
So, you want proof that of a negative?
You want to see proof that a person DID NOT do something?
Isn't the burden on you to prove that something DID happen?

But, how about the fact it wasn't picked up on any camera or recording? What about the fact there isn't any video of people even responding to the "slur?" Or the fact that despite a six figure offer from Andrew Brietbart, no one has come forward with any evidence to demonstrate the claim.

I'd say that's all pretty definitive proof that it DID NOT happen.

And about that "spitting?"
The congressman didn't press charges because IT DID NOT HAPPEN. It was caught on video. A guy was yelling at him, at worst, there may have been some unintentional "spittle." 'say it don't spray it.

about 1:25 into the video.

YouTube- Incident in Washington saturday 03.20.10.mov


But let's not let reality or honesty get in the way of your talking points and directed propaganda.

So, not link one - right - on how Beck links MLK with his 'Restore" rally -
If you want to find recordings of all his radio shows and screen all of his television shows and find video recordings of his recent live events, you'll find it. Or just take my word for it.

I don't have a history of lying, like you.

So if Beck embraces MLK's non-violent resistance philosophy - how can Beck only grasp that small portion of MLK and not take the complete package?
MLK's politics evolved through his life. He considered himself a Republican at one point. But non-violent resistance and civil rights and equal justice weren't just "small portions" of how we define MLK.

That is how the right treats this - all or nothing - I am just expecting that they would hold themselves to the same standards... either Beck should embrace all of MLK or none...
Very Alinsky Rule #4 of you.
However, you're claim of all or nothing is bogus.
I don't think Anita Dunne is Catholic.

Yes I do have Beck in my sights...
Just quoting this one for truth.

The only thing about this thread is this subject - and the fact that this rally is an affront to anyone who understand the history of the civil rights movement and the ideals of MLK. A man who believed in social justice, health care for all, guaranteed employment, strong unions, all things that Glenn Beck states he is against.
It's not a socialist rally, as you seem to think is required, or would support.
Nor is it being presented as such a thing.

According to the planners of the event, the fact that it has fallen on the date of the Dream speech was coincidence, but not one they are taking for granted.

And if they prevented a group of Marxist race baiters from having an event there that day, well.... that's a good thing.

I'd rather support civil rights, equal justice, and the constitution on that day.

Once again - Glenn Beck and his ilk do not need your money -
His "ilk?"
Based upon the aggressiveness of your propaganda and attacks, it looks like Beck is really rattling you and your handlers. He's a real thorn in your side, isn't he? Is it the Cap & Trade story that you didn't want released? Interestingly enough, you've refrained from commenting in that thread. Are you waiting to receive the talking point? Whatever it is, it's obvious you and your "ilk" are going to ratchet up the pressure to destroy the man personally and financially.
 
That wasn't a sign of solidarity and you know it.
It was a deliberate act of provocation with the intention of provoking a response from the violent "tea party" people protesting in D.C. that day. They were hoping for a racial or violent response before the cameras.

And when none happened, they lied about it and simply made up the claim.

There was no solidarity here. There was no struggle. Nor was there a reason to walk through a crowd of people angry about an unconstitutional bill passed by an out of control government..

That joining of arms happened after the alleged racial slurs and spitting incident. The racial slur/spitting incident happened earlier - as the congress people were moving back and forth from their offices to the hill, no cameras were running then. The linking of arms was, in part, a reaction to the previous events.

So, you want proof that of a negative?
You want to see proof that a person DID NOT do something?
Isn't the burden on you to prove that something DID happen?

But, how about the fact it wasn't picked up on any camera or recording? What about the fact there isn't any video of people even responding to the "slur?" Or the fact that despite a six figure offer from Andrew Brietbart, no one has come forward with any evidence to demonstrate the claim.

It is still hearsay on both sides,

And about that "spitting?"
The congressman didn't press charges because IT DID NOT HAPPEN. It was caught on video. A guy was yelling at him, at worst, there may have been some unintentional "spittle." 'say it don't spray it.
about 1:25 into the video.

Isn't that the video from after the 'spitting incident' as well? I am not sure - but since you had the time line wrong with regards to Lewis - perhaps you do here as well.

If you want to find recordings of all his radio shows and screen all of his television shows and find video recordings of his recent live events, you'll find it. Or just take my word for it.

I don't have a history of lying, like you.

That is your bailiwick, not mine Cal, I don't have to prove that he has linked the two - He hasn't - so there...

Beck is so full of his own self importance that when this little rally came to mind, his whole lack of knowledge when it comes to history come right to the fore front. He didn't know that on August 28, 1963 one of the most important events in the history of America took place... He scheduled his rally in ignorance. The man has the historical acumen of a 4th grader. And he just won't admit it.

Just like we will never hear a "never mind" in regards to his 100 year plan...

Very Alinsky Rule #4 of you.
However, you're claim of all or nothing is bogus.
I don't think Anita Dunne is Catholic.

Ah, so you do get the tie-in - mention Mao as one of your favorite 'short spoken' philosophers and suddenly you embrace all that is Mao...

Mention MLK as one of your inspirations - post his guidelines for peaceful protest on your site - in fact post them and have a cute little 'sign this' at the end...

But, unlike Anita, Beck gets to only embrace 'part' of MLK - Beck gets to pick and chose, however Anita gets to bear the entire historical consequences of Mao.

The right, and specifically Beck, wallows in hypocrisy...

According to the planners of the event, the fact that it has fallen on the date of the Dream speech was coincidence, but not one they are taking for granted.

Because of ignorance, not coincidence... They couldn't google?

I'd rather support civil rights, equal justice, and the constitution on that day.

Do you think that if MLK looked out on the rally on August 29, 2010, he would feel comfortable about addressing that group. Is it a group that embraces social justice? Is it a group that backed health care reform? Is it a group that realizes the complexities of immigration reform, and do you think MLK would be in favor of the Arizona immigration law? Do you think that this is largely a pro-union group that he would be looking out on? Do you think that this group would be for a government guaranteed jobs program. Do you think that this group is for a government supplied income for those who can't get a job? Do you think this group believes in affirmative action, as King did? How Marxist do you think this group will be?

"You see, my friends, you begin to ask the questions, 'Who owns the oil?' You begin to ask the question, 'Who owns the iron ore?' You begin to ask the question, 'Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that is two-thirds water?'" - MLK

Let's face it Cal - the group that will be gathered there really isn't an MLK kind of group. He was an economic socialist - heck, almost a Marxist. And small government... King for small government?

Based upon the aggressiveness of your propaganda and attacks, it looks like Beck is really rattling you and your handlers. He's a real thorn in your side, isn't he? Is it the Cap & Trade story that you didn't want released? Interestingly enough, you've refrained from commenting in that thread. Are you waiting to receive the talking point? Whatever it is, it's obvious you and your "ilk" are going to ratchet up the pressure to destroy the man personally and financially.

I am so pleased to see that Beck's viewership has fallen by 30% since the first of the year. And large corporate sponsors continue to avoid his show.

And, once again, I don't comment on environmental issues, even when Beck brings them up - I really don't know enough about them, unlike you Cal (and Beck), who apparently feel comfortable about being an expert on all we survey. I know a bit about environmental issues in the automotive biz, but only because I am in automotive.

And didn't Obama shelve Cap and Trade - I am not sure - but someone might want to check that out.

But, once again, I cannot stress this enough - do not give any money to the rally - give directly to the SWOP. Beck and his ilk (I'll say it as many times as I need to, to get this point across) do not need your money. Not for this rally, not for anything. If they believe so strongly in this cause - let them pay for it, you don't need to. They have the money, they have the resources.

Martin Luther King never asked for his followers to foot the bill for August 28th, 1963. People came in buses provided by their church. They slept on church pews in DC, or in the homes of sympathizers. They didn't sell t-shirts, they didn't have corporate sponsors.

They had a dream.
 
It is still hearsay on both sides,

Similar in category, but with darker implications than ignoratio elenchi, a "red herring" is an answer, given in reply to a questioner, that goes beyond an innocent logical irrelevance. A "red herring" is a deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject.​
You are attempting to misdirect and you know it.

The burden of proof is on you here. If you can't meet it then drop it. Otherwise you simply confirm that you are without integrity or character; someone not to be trusted.
 
That joining of arms happened after the alleged racial slurs and spitting incident.
No, Pelosi walked through the crowd with a gavel and locking arms with Lewis on their way into the Capitol building. This was designed to provoke a reaction from a very large, and very upset crowd, while on camera.

The LIE about Clybern being spit on took place as he was entering the building as well. Video does exist of that and I posted it.

And despite all the hand held cameras and agitators, no video exists of anyone threatening Lewis with the racial slur. Despite all of those cameras running that day, and despite a $100,000 offer by Andrew Breitbart.

But, if you really thought this was a dangerous crowd of racists, why would you jeopardize your safety and burden your security details by walking through it? Congress people don't usually walk back and forth between the buildings, certainly not through the middle of agitated and passionate crowds.

It is still hearsay on both sides,
No it's not. It's an unsupported claim by a politician and opportunist.

Isn't that the video from after the 'spitting incident' as well?
It's funny you have to ask.... That was supposedly where the "incident" took place. Clearly, it did not.

Is that hearsay too?

Beck is so full of his own self importance...
You're on the attack here.
Is this the new tactic to eliminate Beck. Thanks for sharing it with us before the rest of the drones pick it up.

Ah, so you do get the tie-in - mention Mao as one of your favorite 'short spoken' philosophers and suddenly you embrace all that is Mao...
No, but I recognize your effort to mislead.
The association and embrace of Mao philosophy doesn't end with the one convenient quote. You don't judge a person by their use of a single quote, NO ONE would suggest that the case. But if their use of quotes is consistent with the rest of their actions, it does reinforce the case.

Is your argument here that Dunn, or any of the other associated czars and advisers, are being misrepresented by Beck? Let's be specific?

Do you think that Dunn does NOT have respect for Mao's governing and economic policies? I'm sure she isn't supportive of his mass starvation, but the social and economic principles?

Are you arguing that this administration IS NOT overwhelming staffed by people who embrace social and economic theories that are associated with Marxism?

Because what your doing is obvious. Rather than addressing the charge, you instead attack the person making the charge. It's little more than a distraction.

So, take Beck out of this. She's not Catholic.
But does she embrace Mao?
And more importantly, isn't it alarming when SO MANY members of one administration are identified and exposed as being so radically left by their own words?

It's not a centrist, post-partisan administration. They are radicals and they are aggressively advancing a radical agenda without the consent or awareness of the governed. And people like you are working with them to deceive the public.

And that's pretty reprehensible on your part.

Your words deceive you foxpaws. You are too well informed to not know what's really going on here. If I have the time or motivation today, I might go dig up some old public posts of yours (if I can tolerate the awful "search" feature here) that, with the benefit of hindsight, really betray you.

Mention MLK as one of your inspirations - post his guidelines for peaceful protest on your site - in fact post them and have a cute little 'sign this' at the end...
Again, this isn't about MLK.
While Beck will be the first to recognize that he doesn't agree with the government POLICIES that MLK may have embraced at the END of his life, and I'm sure Beck wouldn't endorse his behavior at times either, but he respects the man and the fundamental principles for which he's identified.

And while people should be able to disagree with policy, we still can agree on principles and values. Freedom of speech. Civil Rights. Equal Rights. Equal Justice. Non-violent Resistance. Faith in God and the goodness of the American people.

Unfortunately, propagandists and opportunistic racial antagonist like you insist on using identity politics to expand your political power. Rather than embracing the commonality and unity here, you insist on driving a wedge between people, for purposes of political power and manipulation.

But to address your recent charge, he actually HAS done this.
Sign the Pledge of Non-Violence.

Or you can see it discussed right here:
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/39574/


Do you think that if MLK looked out on the rally on August 29, 2010, he would feel comfortable about addressing that group.
That's not important, isn't an event about MLK. The fact that the two share the date is a convenient and interesting historic coincidence.

But, since I've already taken your bait on the issues of MLK, I might as well respond. I can't presume to know where MLK would be in his life right now. As I stated earlier, he started out as a Republican he was being swayed by the socialist left as the decade persisted. But it's of no importance.

He certainly COULD feel comfortable at that event. Because he'd be at an event where he wouldn't be judged because of his color. Unlike the culture of the left where racial identity and identity politics define and separate us, the people attending the 8-28 Restoring Honor will be united by shared values and principles.

I am so pleased to see that Beck's viewership has fallen by 30% since the first of the year. And large corporate sponsors continue to avoid his show.
If that were infact true, I'm sure you'd be thrilled.
Of course, you have little respect for the constitution or the first amendment.

Of course the 30% viewership story you're mentioning was false. Infact, the week it was reported, originally ON MEDIAMATTERS, Beck had the HIGHEST rating television show on Cable TV that week.

But I wouldn't expect the truth or context to interefere with your lies, foxpaws.

And didn't Obama shelve Cap and Trade - I am not sure - but someone might want to check that out.
So, rather than address this issue honestly, you basically lie about it.
You know full well what is going on regarding this issue. It's even addressed on the front page of this forum.

But, once again, I cannot stress this enough - do not give any money to the rally -
Don't give money to the rally, UNLESS you support the rally.
That's a fairly obvious statement and one that's made abundantly clear. The point is that any money raised BEYOND the cost of the event is going to go the SOWF fund.

They had a dream.
One day that a man will be judged not by the color of their skin but the content of their character.

Not that power hungry politicians would seize power and impose a totalitarian government upon us, stealing our liberty, and discarding the Constitution, while people like you actively worked in support of it, by lying and engaging in efforts to silence dissent.

If the personal attacks on him, and the growing awakening resistance, continue to fail, how much longer before the feds find legal ways to shut him up, or it down?

It's interesting how, despite the fact the man spend 20 hours a week speaking, foxpaws, you don't respond to anything he says. You don't challenge the facts he presents of the conclusions he's drawn. In fact, you avoid those threads. Instead, you periodically pop up with threads are are deliberately designed to divide people. You're last effort was to isolate him from religious people. This thread is basically to paint him as some kind of insensitive racist.
You also threw in the cliche, "he's only doing it for money" dig too.

It must be frustrating for you, the public is becoming aware of the little playbook of personal attacks and smear techniques you guys use.

You're sudden passion for Beck is really very telling.
I guess he's getting harder for you and your statist ilk to dismiss

Again, let me quote The "regulator czar" or more accurately the Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, a no less ominous title.
He's the man who wrote that government agents, "might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

...it's interesting.. Because Cass Sunstein once proposed a "New Fairness Doctrine" almost IDENTICAL to the one you proposed here last year.
What an incredible coincidence.
 
Co opting another groups day for one's own purposes is a well established method.

The christians took over the winter solstice of Dec 22nd and the winter festival which preceded christianity and turned it into christmas even though Jesus was thought to have been born at another time.

They effectively overshadowed and marginalized the original celebrators so this sneaky tactic is really nothing new.

So, why was December 25 chosen to remember Jesus Christ’s birth with a mass (or Communion supper)? Since no one knows the day of his birth, the Roman Catholic Church felt free to chose this date. The Church wished to replace the pagan festival with a Christian holy day (holiday). The psychology was that is easier to take away an unholy (but traditional) festival from the population, when you can replace it with a good one. Otherwise, the Church would have left a void where there was a long-standing tradition, and risked producing a discontented population and a rapid return to the old ways.

They're just trying to marginalize MLK and upend a standing tradition.
 
Co opting another groups day for one's own purposes is a well established method.

The christians took over the winter solstice of Dec 22nd and the winter festival which preceded christianity and turned it into christmas even though Jesus was thought to have been born at another time.

They effectively overshadowed and marginalized the original celebrators so this sneaky tactic is really nothing new.



They're just trying to marginalize MLK and upend a standing tradition.

You have no objectivity to speak of, do you.

More and more you are simply rationalizing a dismissal of any none leftist point on this forum. All to often using childish rhetorical techniques that most people left in High School.
 
The tactic is the same.
It came to mind reading this post.

You've managed to misrepresent the motivation of both the church and the Restoring Honor Rally.

The church didn't seek to undermine the pagan religion by the date. It was because in some areas, holding the religious celebration on a day already associated with celebration would provide cover for Christians in a hostile world. AND, related to what you said, when the religion was expanding, it did place it's holidays in a way to continue familiarity and stability.

That's not devious.

And in the case of the 8-28 Restoring Honor Rally, there's no effort to marginalize Martin Luther King or the Civil Rights Movement in anyway.

Despite this completely unsupported concept just "came to your mind," I've addressed the deference to MLK through out this entire thread. And though I have mentioned it, I would bet money that at least one member of MLK's family, Dr. Alveda King, speaks at the event.
 
You've managed to misrepresent the motivation of both the church and the Restoring Honor Rally.

The church didn't seek to undermine the pagan religion by the date. It was because in some areas, holding the religious celebration on a day already associated with celebration would provide cover for Christians in a hostile world. AND, related to what you said, when the religion was expanding, it did place it's holidays in a way to continue familiarity and stability.

That's not devious.

And in the case of the 8-28 Restoring Honor Rally, there's no effort to marginalize Martin Luther King or the Civil Rights Movement in anyway.

Despite this completely unsupported concept just "came to your mind," I've addressed the deference to MLK through out this entire thread. And though I have mentioned it, I would bet money that at least one member of MLK's family, Dr. Alveda King, speaks at the event.

Beck could have picked any day and yet he picked this one.
 
And from the 9-12 Project webpage:
4/26: The 912 Project & Dr. King’s Pledge
Posted by Editor on April 26, 2010

- “The 9-12 Project embraces the pledge, principles and language first used in the civil rights movement lead by Dr. Martin Luther King. Our new grassroots movement’s principles and values fully align today with Dr. King’s sage advice of a half-century ago,” said Yvonne Donnelly, National Chair of The 9-12 Project a volunteer based non-partisan movement focusing on building and uniting our communities around 9 American Principles and 12 universal values. “Since we are champions and defenders of the U.S. Constitution, we believe in the rule of law, not the rule of men or of uncontrollable violent mobs as often witnessed when the fringe left protests the G-8 and G-20 summits.”

Donnelly was describing the civil rights movement’s pledge and principles of nonviolence recently resurrected by Dr. Alveda King, M. L. King’s niece:

1. Non-violent resistance is not a method for cowards. It does resist. The nonviolent resister is just as strongly opposed to the evil against which he protests, as is the person who uses violence. His method is passive or nonaggressive in the sense that he is not physically aggressive toward his opponent, but his mind and emotions are always active, constantly seeking to persuade the opponent that he is mistaken. This method is passive physically but strongly active spiritually; it is nonaggressive physically but dynamically aggressive spiritually.

2. Nonviolent resistance does not seek to defeat or humiliate the opponent, but to win his friendship and understanding. The nonviolent resister must often express his protest through noncooperation but he realizes that noncooperation is not the ends itself; it is merely means to awaken a sense of moral shame in the opponent.

3. The attack is directed against forces of evil rather than against persons who are caught in those forces. It is a struggle between justice and injustice, between the forces of light and the forces of darkness.

4. Nonviolent resistance avoids not only external physical violence, but also internal violence of spirit. At the center of non-violence stands the principle of love.

5. Nonviolence is based on the conviction that the universe is on the side of justice. It is the deep faith in the future that allows a nonviolent resister to accept suffering without retaliation. The nonviolent resister knows that in his struggle for justice, he has a cosmic companionship.

“These are in keeping with our fifth principle: If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it. Thus, The 9-12 Project is dedicated to promoting our principles and values through peaceful, positive and productive means within the bounds of the Constitution and the law,” Donnelly concluded.

And from the Beck television show:
YouTube- Glenn Beck Interviews Martin Luther King's Neice,Ted Nugent,And Robert George
 
Beck could have picked any day and yet he picked this one.
The intention for the event was to be held at the end of the summer, purpose being so that families would be able to attend while their children were still on summer vacation.
And it has to be on a Saturday.

The reality is that it's a historically coincidence that the last Saturday of August in 2010 happens to fall on the 27th anniversary of the "I Have a Dream" Speech.


Is the implication here that NOTHING should be allowed or tolerated to take place in D.C. on 8/28 forever unless it's specifically being organized to support marxist government policy? That's simply absurd. It's obvious, this is just foxpaws repeating the organized attack on Beck to delegitimize and demonize this noble rally.
 
You have no objectivity to speak of, do you.

More and more you are simply rationalizing a dismissal of any none leftist point on this forum. All to often using childish rhetorical techniques that most people left in High School.


I think out of the box and occasionally draw novel perhaps provocative comparisons that cut through the bluster.
 
Despite this completely unsupported concept just "came to your mind," I've addressed the deference to MLK through out this entire thread. And though I have mentioned it, I would bet money that at least one member of MLK's family, Dr. Alveda King, speaks at the event.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Although a few tea party supporters may be MLK supporters and admirers the 2 groups are at opposite ends of their visions for america.
 
The intention for the event was to be held at the end of the summer, purpose being so that families would be able to attend while their children were still on summer vacation.
And it has to be on a Saturday.

The reality is that it's a historically coincidence that the last Saturday of August in 2010 happens to fall on the 27th anniversary of the "I Have a Dream" Speech.


Is the implication here that NOTHING should be allowed or tolerated to take place in D.C. on 8/28 forever unless it's specifically being organized to support marxist government policy? That's simply absurd. It's obvious, this is just foxpaws repeating the organized attack on Beck to delegitimize and demonize this noble rally.


I'm not implying that NOTHING should be allowed on 8/28 not in the spirit of MLK but just commenting on the timing and my opinion of it.

Somehow I can't see Tea Partiers and MLK supporters celebrating the same day in a united fashion.
 

Members online

No members online now.
Back
Top