Push back hard against news stories that are either inaccurate or unflattering.

Don't mind that pesky first amendment.
Besides using tax money for propaganda, now they'll use it to stifle dissenting opinions.
 
Don't mind that pesky first amendment.
Besides using tax money for propaganda, now they'll use it to stifle dissenting opinions.

On Sunday, the strategy was on full display as communications director Anita Dunn gave a lengthy and brutal denunciation of Fox News, calling the cable outlet a vehicle for Republican Party propaganda and an ideological opponent of the president.

Here are just a few choice nuggets from Dunn's appearance on CNN's Reliable Sources

"If we went back a year ago to the fall of 2008, to the campaign, that was a time this country was in two wars that we had a financial collapse probably more significant than any financial collapse since the Great Depression. If you were a Fox News viewer in the fall election what you would have seen were that the biggest stories and the biggest threats facing America were a guy named Bill Ayers and a something called ACORN."

"The reality of it is that Fox News often operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party. And it is not ideological... what I think is fair to say about Fox, and the way we view it, is that it is more of a wing of the Republican Party."

"Obviously [the President] will go on Fox because he engages with ideological opponents. He has done that before and he will do it again... when he goes on Fox he understands he is not going on it as a news network at this point. He is going on it to debate the opposition."

"[Fox is] widely viewed as a part of the Republican Party: take their talking points and put them on the air, take their opposition research and put it on the air. And that's fine. But let's not pretend they're a news organization like CNN is."

Dunn's remarks are notably blunt and direct, especially from a White House that has received a large amount of flattering coverage and, when it doesn't, usually airs its grievances in private. They also are a bit misleading, as both the president's staff and its campaign arms at the DNC have cultivated favored members of the media of their own to which they routinely feed access and opposition research. It's a fact of politics and press, regardless of which party is in power.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/anita-dunn-fox-news-an-ou_n_316691.html
 
Don't mind that pesky first amendment.
Besides using tax money for propaganda, now they'll use it to stifle dissenting opinions.

Where did you read the WH was stepping on the first ammendment or attempting to "stifle dissenting opinions"? You appear to be mischaracterizing. Seems they are only fighting fire with fire.
 
Besides using tax money for propaganda, now they'll use it to stifle dissenting opinions.

like this will be the first time in american history for this.
 
like this will be the first time in american history for this.

Your right-
Nobel prize winning president Woodrow Wilson imprisoned 25,000 Americans who disagreed with him.

-but even if it's happened before, that doesn't make it right.
 
Where did you read the WH was stepping on the first ammendment or attempting to "stifle dissenting opinions"? You appear to be mischaracterizing. Seems they are only fighting fire with fire.

Mischaracterizing Fox because it's the single network that doesn't worship at the alter of the Obama is bad enough.

"Fighting fire with fire?" That's an outrageous statement.
But are they campaigning or are they representing the country?
Is he a just a politician or does he have the full power of the executive branch of government?

The only think Fox has done is given fair recognition of people who do not agree with the agenda of this government. The news organization has been extremely fair. And the commentators have been truthful, though they clearly state what their perspective is.

You're dismissal of things like this is really alarming.
 
but even if it's happened before, that doesn't make it right.

no, it doesn't. but it makes it harder to argue against when you can pick off examples in anybodies term.
 
Bush's War on the Press
By Eric Alterman
April 21, 2005
Page 4

<snip>The Bush Administration has invested untold millions in video "news releases" that disguise themselves as genuine news reports and are frequently broadcast by irresponsible local news programs. In three separate opinions in the past year, the Congressional Government Accountability Office held that government-made news segments may constitute improper "covert propaganda" even if their origin is made clear to television stations. Yet the Administration has rejected these rulings, fortified by a Justice Department opinion that insists that the reports are purely informational. Of course, the Administration's idea of "purely informational" is sufficiently elastic to stretch all the way from the White House to Ahmad Chalabi's house. As the New York Times reported, a "jubilant" Iraqi-American chanting "Thank you, Bush. Thank you, USA" is deemed to fall into this category, as is a report of "another success" in the Administration's "drive to strengthen aviation security" in which the "reporter" called the effort "one of the most remarkable campaigns in aviation history." A third segment, broadcast in January, described the Administration's commitment to opening markets for American farmers. The reports are clearly designed to simulate legitimate news programming. A now-infamous report narrated by PR flack Karen Ryan for the Department of Health and Human Services praising the benefits of the new Medicare bill imitated a real news report by having her sign off as "Karen Ryan, reporting" and by not identifying the story's source. The Clinton Administration made use of video "news releases" as well, but now the government's investment in them appears to have nearly doubled, as has its brazenness. <snip>

Wow - well, I guess the right can still cringe at the legacy GWBush has left, and the left gets Clinton - both who were guilty of 'phony news releases'... The entire article is excellent in breaking down Bush's general crushing of the First Amendment - but I very vividly remember 'news reports' that were produced with tax dollars that were propaganda for everything from how wonderful the war was to how we are winning the war on drugs... Even the Government Accountability Office was asked to investigate and they labeled this propaganda as...
<snip>we conclude that the prepackaged news stories in these VNRs constitute covert propaganda and violated the publicity or propaganda prohibition because ONDCP did not identify itself to the viewing audience as the producer and distributor of these prepackaged news stories.<snip>
 
Despite the headline, your example has nothing to do with what we're talking about. While creepy and of questionable judgment, the White House information videos are not the same as targeting the one network that is critical of the administration and attacking them and treating them like the "enemy."

Is that a new talking point your trying out? The Obama administration wants to silence critics, but Bush and Clinton released cheesy, informational videos?

What is the point your trying to make? Are you just trying to change the subject or misdirect? Are you comfortable even with what the administration has stated it's going to do? And with information like, how can you possibly continue to dismiss the first amendment concerns of people when individuals like Mark Lloyd are appointed to the FCC?
 
Despite the headline, your example has nothing to do with what we're talking about. While creepy and of questionable judgment, the White House information videos are not the same as targeting the one network that is critical of the administration and attacking them and treating them like the "enemy."

The Bush administration targeted all news outlets (with the notable exception of Fox) with a variety of ways to 'push back against news stories'. From creating their own stories, which were released to look like 'legitimate news' (which is what I was documenting) as well as allowing only certain reporters access to information. They invited only 'friendly' (this was talked about in another thread - where Fox reporters were allowed on 'official' trips, because it was assumed by their rather glowing reports of the war, that they would continue to be sympathetic to the administration's view of the war, and report it as a success) reporters on planes to Iraq to get 'up close and personal' reports about the war. Along with a variety of other methods to make sure that their 'accurate' report was released and it helped 'discredit' those stories by real reporters in the field.

More from this article
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They are taking aggressive action: preventing journalists from doing their job by withholding routine information; deliberately releasing deceptive information on a regular basis; bribing friendly journalists to report the news in a favorable context; producing their own "news reports" and distributing these free of charge to resource-starved broadcasters; creating and crediting their own political activists as "journalists" working for partisan operations masquerading as news organizations.<snip>

Is that a new talking point your trying out? The Obama administration wants to silence critics, but Bush and Clinton released cheesy, informational videos?

The Bush (and Clinton) administration pushed back hard against news stories that were critical of their policies. They did it in a variety of ways - and the propaganda that resulted wasn't just 'creepy' or 'cheesy' Cal.

What is the point your trying to make? Are you just trying to change the subject or misdirect? Are you comfortable even with what the administration has stated it's going to do? And with information like, how can you possibly continue to dismiss the first amendment concerns of people when individuals like Mark Lloyd are appointed to the FCC?

This was a direct reply to your question Cal...

What are some other modern examples of this. I'm not aware of any.

This is a very modern day example of how an administration 'pushes back hard' against news stories that are either 'inaccurate or unflattering'. There are many ways to manipulate the press - I was just answering your question Cal.
 
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This was a direct reply to your question Cal...
You certainly directed it towards me, but it didn't have anything to do with the question I posed.

You have now equated different methods of releasing information and "getting your story out" to publicly "going to war" with a mainstream news organization that is extremely popular.

This is a very modern day example of how an administration 'pushes back hard' against news stories that are either 'inaccurate or unflattering'. There are many ways to manipulate the press - I was just answering your question Cal.
Do you do this on purpose?
Can you ever turn off the bullcrap and spin?
This isn't a story about how the press secretary develop relationships, or ways that the administration may work to find a receptive ear. This is entirely different.

This is about the President and his administration using the power of the executive branch of government to "go to war" against the only mainstream source that doesn't shower them with praise and unquestioning loyalty. It's the executive branch of government acting like their still engaged in some street level Chicago political campaign.

This is about having people employed within government going around stating lies and misrepresenting a source that they feel is interfering with their agenda. Mind you, they keep saying stating the some of the people lie, yet they never seem to give substantive examples. When they do provide examples it's always trivial things.

"Van Jones was a radical, revolutionary, maxist czar."
WH Response "Hey!! You're a liar. Technically he wasn't a 'czar.' " Nothing about the radical marxist issue though.

And then you couple this with an understanding of the people surrounding this administration and their opinions regarding the first amendment when it disagrees with their radical agendas.

Mark Lloyd- man Obama has appointed to the FCC as "Diversity Czar." I mean "Diversity Officer," a position they just created:

YouTube - Mark Lloyd praises Hugo Chavez

Lyoyd is praising the Hugo Chavez "revolution" in Venezuela and how it needed to silence and limit the free media in his country that were opposing it.
 
This is about the President and his administration using the power of the executive branch of government to "go to war" against the only mainstream source that doesn't shower them with praise and unquestioning loyalty. It's the executive branch of government acting like their still engaged in some street level Chicago political campaign.

What Bush did was far, far worse – it was active propaganda. Allowing only one media outlet access to the government – what do you think that is – what do you think Goering did. And that is in direct conflict of the constitution. The Bush administration 'went to war' by not allowing access to government information to media outlets that weren't showering them with praise and unquestioning loyalty. They only allowed access to Fox - who was blindly accepting the Bush spin on the war in Iraq.

Fox knows that they are at war, but they aren’t being denied access. ABC, CBS, NBC, The Times, The Trib, etc., had no idea they were being left out in the cold when it came to the Bush administration until after the fact.

Every administration has attacked the media, either out in the open, or behind closed doors. Nixon went against Cronkite, big time. Carter went against the NYT, it was no secret that Reagan went against them all, Clinton – well, that is a bit harder, the media did pretty much love him. Since the inception of the government, administrations have secretly or openly went against the media that opposed their policies. This administration isn’t going the ‘secret’ route. Perhaps that is what is upsetting you Cal, you would rather this happen behind closed doors – maybe you liked the policies of denying 'certain' media access of the previous administration.

The administration has the right to answer those attacks by the commentators on Fox. All administrations have been able to answer the opposition in the media that is critical or misrepresenting the policies that the administration is in favor of.

What is different - oh - this administration is doing this out in the open, unlike the Bush administration – maybe you don’t like it – but, they have the honesty to lay it on the table. And they have the right to answer their accusers –

Get off your high horse, because it sh!ts like all horses Cal.
 
Fox, you are making this thread about you. Again.
 
What Bush did was far, far worse – it was active propaganda.
First of all, I don't agree with your ridiculous claim.
You are simply trying to change the subject.

For the sake of this discussion, I don't care if Bush was mean to puppies. It is of no consequence in regards to this current abuse of power by the Obama administration.

And frankly, I'm getting tired of writing responses to you only to ignore the entire thing so you can spew your ridiculous bullcrap spin.

The administration has the right to answer those attacks by the commentators on Fox.
So you support what they are doing....
They are not "answering" the charges made by the commentators.
They are lying and mischaracterizing the network, attacking the commentators, and DELIBERATELY NOT responding to the charges being made.

This administration has no trouble getting their message out.
They seek to destroy and silence any voice that challenges them or threatens to interfere with their agenda.
 
What are some other modern examples of this. I'm not aware of any.
this came from this

Besides using tax money for propaganda, now they'll use it to stifle dissenting opinions.

which i think foxpaws covered quite well with an example.
 
which i think foxpaws covered quite well with an example.

No, that's not what she covered at all.
She essentially equated the Obama efforts to stifle dissenting voices by trying to delegitimize and destroy them with the previous administrations giving friendly news outlets greater access. Those are vastly different things.

Apparently, her effort to muddle the discussion and interject a warped moral equivalence worked, at least with you.

As stated earlier, not only is this example vastly different than what has been done in modern history (Nixon's enemies list is the closest thing in the past 50 years), but it's made all the more alarming when you identify the people who work in and around this administration, and you notice their affinity for "democratic" (small d) leaders like Hugo Chavez and what he's done.
 
The only think Fox has done is given fair recognition of people who do not agree with the agenda of this government. The news organization has been extremely fair. And the commentators have been truthful, though they clearly state what their perspective is.

Fox News has responded to White House criticisms of its network by claiming that while its "editorial" programs are filled with "vibrant opinion," its news hours are straight and objective. However, Fox News' purportedly straight news programs echo its "editorial" programs: Media Matters for America has compiled a non-exhaustive list -- from this year alone -- documenting how Fox's news programming features smears, falsehoods, doctored and deceptive editing, and GOP talking points.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130047
 
And frankly, I'm getting tired of writing responses to you only to ignore the entire thing so you can spew your ridiculous bullcrap spin.

What's more troubling is it appears she might be getting compensated for these comments. Just a guess, but it appears to be a potential M.O.
 
Cal,
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I love you man. You're responses are on target and forceful. A sure pleasure to read your comments. We got to meet some day. I'm buying.
 
No, that's not what she covered at all.
She essentially equated the Obama efforts to stifle dissenting voices by trying to delegitimize and destroy them with the previous administrations giving friendly news outlets greater access. Those are vastly different things.

Apparently, her effort to muddle the discussion and interject a warped moral equivalence worked, at least with you.

As stated earlier, not only is this example vastly different than what has been done in modern history (Nixon's enemies list is the closest thing in the past 50 years), but it's made all the more alarming when you identify the people who work in and around this administration, and you notice their affinity for "democratic" (small d) leaders like Hugo Chavez and what he's done.

Ah – I guess just attacking the media out front is worse than secretly going behind closed doors and playing favorites…

How about the worse of both worlds – attacking the media – secretly.

Reagan’s staff did it in the 80s. I have a friend who worked for AEI (Ailes’ PR and advertising firm, and if you don’t know who Ailes is – think head of Fox News) at the time, and they had a direct mail campaign that originated from the staff at the White House. They would send ‘loyal’ Reagan supporters a direct mail piece that included a sample of a letter. People were encouraged to copy the letter – filling in the ‘blanks’ with their personal information and mail it off to that old nasty newspaper in their town. You know, the one that was portraying Reagan in a poor light.

The letters basically said that you felt the newspaper wasn’t being fair in their portrayal of the president, and if they didn’t straighten out, not only would you drop your subscription to the newspaper, but you would start to boycott the products advertised in the newspaper and you would tell those companies just why you were going to boycott their products.

So – here, not only was an administration very pointedly attacking the media – they were doing it subversively… The letters certainly didn’t indicate that they originated in the White House – they were from a ‘concerned citizens' group’.

Once again – all administrations go after stories/media outlets that in their opinion aren’t being truthful, or portraying issues fairly. Heck, Nixon actually sent Spiro out one summer to attack the media in their home towns.

You might see it as a gray area – but administrations are allowed to attack back. If it is the White House’s opinion that misinformation is being spread by a particular media source – then they have the right to defend their policies. If they notice a pattern, then they can claim that the source might be biased.

If you notice at the end of the article posted-the White House went against a stupid article in Politico that talked about how ‘friends of Roman Polanski’ sent Obama $34,000 in campaign contributions. Wow – talk about trying to have some sort of weird 6 degrees of separation thing going on here. You know – I bet there were also descendants of men who were in the SS who sent Obama campaign contributions, heck, probably great, great, great, great nieces of the Marquis de Sade could have sent him funds, and who knows, people whose families once owned slaves probably sent him money… What an inane story line.
 

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