Obama Poll Numbers

[MonsterMark]

Been a while. Time for an update.

President Obama's overall approval now at 47%, a new low.

Congrats to the socialist takeover of America.

Strongly Approve: 28%
Strongly Disapprove: 39%
-11%

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Contrary to what your biased source indicates, seems his slide has reversed:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jo...in_pct=&max_pct=&grid=&points=&trends=&lines=

I guess we'll have to credit the right-wing-wacko smear machine finally getting their "facts checked".

 

[shagdrum]

Contrary to what your biased source indicates

Ahh, rasmussen has been demonstratively the most accurate source for years (and many election cycles) now.

Besides, the methodologies they use are objective. If you are going to claim that they are biased, it is nothing more then an ad hominem smear unless you can prove that their methodology is somehow biased. Judging by other threads, you simply don't have the knowledge to know what to look for to identify that; you are demonstratively ignorant when it comes to these statistical intepretations.

Do you know what a measure of statistical significance is, or how to interpret it? Can you tell me what the correct measure of statistical association is for this poll and correctly interpret it? Can you interpret the crosstabs on this? Can you even name the independent and dependent variables?

Also, pollster.com simply averages a large number of the polls out there instead of conducting their own poll. A large number of the polls they use ARE demonstratively biased (due to a biased sample).

Again, you should know what you are talking about instead of simply lashing out with baseless accusations. Otherwise you continually embarrass yourself.

 

[MonsterMark]

Contrary to what your biased source indicates, seems his slide has reversed:

You use an aggregate/averaging polling method and hide behind that method as the most accurate? (bleep)

Here you go, pole king.

Polls Most Damning Of Obama Now Were Most Accurate In 2008

Fordham University political scientist Costas Panagopoulos says Rasmussen and Pew were tied for #1. They were spot-on in predicting the outcome and margin of the 2008 presidential campaign:
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We’re still being told how popular and how wonderful President Obama is by the mainline media. What we’re NOT being told is that his is the 3rd fastest drop to 50% since scientific polls were taken. Bill Clinton was the fastest; and his party suffered the most massive defeat in history two years after his election. He then managed to regain his popularity largely by cooperating with the Republican agenda that proceeded to dominate the rest of his administration.

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But please, continue to entertain us. :shifty:

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

IIRC Brian, weren't you quite critical and dismissive of Rassmussen some time ago? Oh yeah, only when they started polling unfavorably of BuSh, THEN you dismissed them as "innaccurate". You claim now rings hollow. Compound that with your defense of them by linking to a biased "conservative" site to prop-up their "credibility" only exposes your pathetic attempt to defend them. :bowrofl:

As for "Mr. Statistics", if you'd bother to look at the raw data and plot, Rassmussen is an obvious outlier in the data. They have consistently shown higher numbers for Obama's "disapproval" and lower numbers for "approval". THAT alone is a positive indicator of their bias. For your claim to be true, EVERY OTHER POLL used by Pollster would have to be biased, and ALL in the same direction. Please provide proof that is the case, without relying purely on "heresay" from the right. That adds zero to your non-existent credibility.

 

[shagdrum]

As for "Mr. Statistics", if you'd bother to look at the raw data and plot, Rassmussen is an obvious outlier in the data.

They are an "outlier" in a data set that merely averages all the data from other polls. Being an "outlier" in that data set is irrelevant to the credibility of their polls. It is a red herring. Another logical fallacy.

For your claim to be true, EVERY OTHER POLL used by Pollster would have to be biased, and ALL in the same direction.

What claim? The claim about them being more accurate then all the others? Not really. All that needs to be shown is that their polling ends up closest to the ACTUAL ELECTION RESULTS which...IT DOES!

What you are making is a type of fallacious "appeal to the majority" type of argument. The reliability of the poll is not determined by weather it lines up with all the other polls, but that is what you are arguing.

Are you really too dumb to realize how much you are embarrassing yourself? I hope so, because it is very entertaining.

You ever hear of the famous Lincoln aphorism, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"?

 

[MonsterMark]

IIRC Brian, weren't you quite critical and dismissive of Rassmussen some time ago? Oh yeah, only when they started polling unfavorably of BuSh, THEN you dismissed them as "innaccurate".

I certainly thought the Democrats had bought Rasmussen off. I was proven wrong, wasn't I?

So in your attempt to prove your point, you proved mine! Congrats.

Rasmussen is the ONLY poll worth paying attention to and right now he shows Obama sucking hind titty.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

What claim? The claim about them being more accurate then all the others? Not really. All that needs to be shown is that their polling ends up closest to the ACTUAL ELECTION RESULTS which...IT DOES!

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Are you really too dumb to realize how much you are embarrassing yourself? I hope so, because it is very entertaining.

You are OBVIOUSLY too dumb to realize you have staked your claim on a false comparison, aka "apples and oranges". A "who would you vote for" poll is not the same, and cannot be compared by any statistical method or leap of logic to a "do you approve or dissapprove of job performance" poll. You are not entitled to your own reality. But thanks for eating your own foot for all to see. :bowrofl:

Statistically speaking, it is much easier for the ONE Rassmussen poll to be biased than for EACH AND EVERY OTHER dozen or so polls averaged by Pollseter to be biased in the SAME AND OPPOSITE direction from that of the Rassmussen poll. A common method that is employed by real statisticians to filter out potentially biased data is to throw-out the outliers and assess the remaining data points. If this method was employed, Rassmussen would be one of the polls tossed aside. Therefore it is entirely reasonable to dismiss the Rassmussen data as potentially biased.

For you to claim that ALL the other polls are "demonstratively biased", you must show how that is and not rely on hersay or some inherently biased analysis by an outwardly conservative source. Additionally, for you to claim that Rassmussen is magically NOT biased, you must show how that is, again by not relying on hersay or some inherently biased analysis by an outwardly conservative source. You've failed on both accounts. You cannot point to one tangentally-related poll and logically claim it proves the accuracy of all the other Rassmussen polls.

But keep on posting, we'll keep on laughing at you. :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

 

[Calabrio]

...more importantly,
do you dispute the observation of poll, Johnny?
Do you think it's displaying a trend that IS NOT taking place?

Or do you just think this poll makes it look worse than it really is.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Or do you just think this poll makes it look worse than it really is.

Dee dee dee!

 

[Calabrio]

Dee dee dee!

Which poll do you think most accurately captures the mood of the country right now?

And, if you can't think of one of the top your head, which is reasonable.
Where do you think the numbers actually are and which way are they headed?

 

[shagdrum]

You are OBVIOUSLY too dumb to realize you have staked your claim on a false comparison, aka "apples and oranges".

Apparently you don't understand what I was saying. Let me spell it out for you.

First, you have to understand what a M-E-T-H-O-D-O-L-O-G-Y is:

METHODOLOGY: A body of practices, procedures, and rules used by those who work in a discipline or engage in an inquiry; a set of working methods​

Now let me explain my argument so your simply mind can understand it. I was pointing out the inherent accuracy of the methodology they use. That methodology is THE EXACT SAME for either poll. I was not making an analogy because I was not comparing to similar things. I was showing the accuracy of Rasmussen's methodology over other methodologies.

Statistically speaking, it is much easier for the ONE Rassmussen poll to be biased than for EACH AND EVERY OTHER dozen or so polls averaged by Pollseter to be biased in the SAME AND OPPOSITE direction from that of the Rassmussen poll.

Statistically speaking, that is a childish argument that is completely ignorant of statistical analysis.

For you to claim that ALL the other polls are "demonstratively biased", you must show how that is and not rely on hersay or some inherently biased analysis by an outwardly conservative source.

I never said that. Let me repeat this for you so your simply mind can understand it...

"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."​

I said "A large number of the polls they use ARE demonstratively biased". Then I gave a reason that has been pointed out ad nausseum on this forum; a biased sample.

There are plenty of other reasons that those polls could not be accurate as well. There are plenty of ways that systematic errors could skew the polls unintentionally.

Feel free to keep grasping at straws in your desperate attempt to show that you have some grasp of what you are talking about.

 

[Lincoln Jealous]

What does any of this have to do with Obama's popularity, which was the original thread, or Lincolns or Cadillacs, which is what this site is all about?

The debates are entertaining though. Shows the different points of view. Maybe it does have some relavance to the thread; only on another level.

i vote lincoln LS, am i a baby killer if i am for abortions? its either that, or im taking the welfare and ssi and wic

 

[Calabrio]

i vote lincoln LS, am i a baby killer if i am for abortions? its either that, or im taking the welfare and ssi and wic

I'd suggest condoms, though I suspect you'd have trouble figuring out how to get them out of the wrapper.

 

[MonsterMark]

Time for an update....

-14

Sheeple are waking up with a hangover from the kool-aid binge.