Obama and Gates are the real race baiters

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http://www.nypost.com/seven/0724200...nd_prof_should_have_held_their_fir_180993.htm

Last updated: 2:11 am
July 24, 2009
Posted: 1:41 am
July 24, 2009

HENRY Louis Gates Jr. just got the subject for his latest PBS series, and it's not going to be a history of the woeful consequences of yelling at cops.

The Harvard scholar was arrested for disorderly conduct at his Cambridge, Mass., home in an incident that has earned the Cambridge police a rebuke from the president of the United States.

In a press conference otherwise devoted to trying to save his sinking health-care plan, President Obama said the Cambridge police "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates, although Obama stipulated twice that he didn't know all the facts. (The president stood by his comments in a "Nightline" interview last night.)

Obama's ignorance didn't keep him from commenting on a matter of local policing ordinarily beneath the notice of the leader of the free world. (We're not talking Martin Luther King Jr. in the Birmingham jail here.)

That's because the Gates arrest had already become one of America's Racial Moments, the occasion for ritualistic hand-wringing and self-flagellation over the country's racist past and present.

The incident is supposed to show the evils of racial profiling, but appears to be a lesson in the pitfalls of obstreperousness and arrogance -- on the part of Gates.

He had just returned from a trip to China and couldn't get in his front door. He and his driver -- also a minority -- forced it open. A passer-by called the police.

As even Obama says of the story to this point, "So far, so good." Any passer-by seeing a man breaking into a home, without knowing he lives there, might reasonably suspect a burglary, whatever the man's race, religion or national origin.

It was Gates' innocently misunderstood conduct that created the predicate for the entire incident, not his race.

But Gates immediately concluded otherwise when a Cambridge officer showed up to investigate.

According to the police report, when Sgt. James Crowley asked Gates to come out on the front porch and speak to him because there had been a report of a break-in, Gates replied angrily, "Why, because I'm a black man in America?"

Presumably, that was a rhetorical question.

In the course of further berating the officer for his racism -- as well as referring to his "mama," according to the police report -- Gates dropped a version of aggrieved celebritydom's favorite line: Don't you know who I am?

Gates produced his ID, but claims the officer wouldn't identify himself, which the officer denies.

Some of this will never be disentangled. But the interaction spiraled downward until the officer arrested Gates.

The officer, who has an exemplary record and has taught a police-academy class on racial profiling, probably should have shown more forbearance. But interactions with police officers typically end better when you don't verbally abuse them.

Does Gates believe that if he had -- despite his fatigue and anger -- simply answered the cop's questions, he still would have been arrested for being a "black man in America"?

Recuperating in Martha's Vineyard, Gates is considering devoting his next documentary to racial profiling.

He says if Crowley apologizes, he will do him the favor both of accepting it and educating "him about the history of racism in America." Since Harvard students pay $33,000 a year for the privilege of getting lectured by Henry Louis Gates, perhaps he sees this as a generous offer rather than another stupendously arrogant gesture.

Even in Obama's "post-racial" America, the lectures never end.
 
The charges against him were dropped! I don't think it was a racial issue, I think the cops ego was bruised, he thought it was a break in, it was a owner trying to get into his house, and the owner started calling it a race issue, thats when he was arrested. Charges were dropped because he didn't disrespect anyone, he was using his "freedom of speech".
 
Funny how the Constitution is only important when it suits Liberals.

Causing a scene like that is called "Disorderly Conduct". You can be as disorderly as you want with a cop as long as you're IN your home. Soon as you take it outside, it's called Disorderly Conduct and you can be arrested for it.

Now, ask yourself this:

What do you think would have happened if the cops said "Fine. Have a nice day" and left, while there was a real burglar hiding in the house and ended up hurting Gates? You'd never hear the end of how a Black man in America can't get no protection from the Police.
 
I am sure thats what the cop said, Gates was wrong for saying it was racism, but you cant be arrested for that, if the had probable cause for an arrest, the charges would not have been dropped. I talk crazy to police officers all the time, its part of their job. I remember a few years ago, a cop said "when I come back around, you better be gone" I replied "I will be in your house fu3king your wife" I was within my constitutional right, I am sure I hurt his ego, but there isnt a law against that.
 
If gates showed his id the cop would have been on his merry way but this dip:q:q:q:q ran back into the house and tried to call the commissioner and threaten him with his job
 
I am sure thats what the cop said, Gates was wrong for saying it was racism, but you cant be arrested for that, if the had probable cause for an arrest, the charges would not have been dropped. I talk crazy to police officers all the time, its part of their job. I remember a few years ago, a cop said "when I come back around, you better be gone" I replied "I will be in your house fu3king your wife" I was within my constitutional right, I am sure I hurt his ego, but there isnt a law against that.
So do you think Obama was wrong for saying the cops acted 'stupidly?' And was he being presidential? Was he right to play the race card?
 
Obama apparently doesn't respect the Cambridge police.

According to the Somerville Times in 2007, as a Harvard Law School student, Obama got 17 parking tickets during 1989-1991 from the Cambridge Police Department that he left unpaid until just weeks before he announced his bid for the presidency.

“In other words, as a practicing lawyer in Chicago, he allowed these tickets and penalties to remain unpaid; as an Illinois state senator he allowed these tickets and fines to remain unpaid; and as a United States senator he allowed these almost-two-decade-old signs of his disdain for the law to remain unpaid,” commented John LeBoutillier on Newsmax.com.

The Washington Post said two years ago that the tickets included parking without a proper permit and parking in a bus stop.

The Associated Press reported in 2007 that Obama’s “healthy stack” of parking tickets was finally paid, including late fees, “two weeks before he officially launched his presidential campaign.”

Said Jen Psaki, spokeswoman for Obama’s campaign during his race to the White House, “He didn’t owe that much and what he did owe, he paid. … Many people have parking tickets and late fees.”
 
So do you think Obama was wrong for saying the cops acted 'stupidly?' And was he being presidential? Was he right to play the race card?

Yes, the cop did act stupidly, he had no right to arrest him, hence the police department dropping charges. I didnt see Obama's press conf. but for him to get involved was wrong. I was listening to Sirius this morning, and I heard the cop was refusing to apologize, I think he should apologize for arresting him, but not for Mr. Gates calling it racism.
 
X2, when you're POST certified, you come talk to me.

The guy was belligerent IN PUBLIC. This means he was disturbing the peace. There were witnesses to his belligerence. This equates to "Disorderly Conduct". You don't seem to understand what that means. I know, it's Wikipedia, but it's a good start for you to read and understand why Gates was arrested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct
 
X2, when you're POST certified, you come talk to me.

The guy was belligerent IN PUBLIC. This means he was disturbing the peace. There were witnesses to his belligerence. This equates to "Disorderly Conduct". You don't seem to understand what that means. I know, it's Wikipedia, but it's a good start for you to read and understand why Gates was arrested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct

If this is so, why were the charges dropped? Police Departments usually drop charges when there isn't enough evidence to convict a person.

Can you provide a link to the story to prove that he was Belligerent?

How do I obtain this "post" certification that you speak of?
 
Yes, the cop did act stupidly, he had no right to arrest him, hence the police department dropping charges. I didnt see Obama's press conf. but for him to get involved was wrong. I was listening to Sirius this morning, and I heard the cop was refusing to apologize, I think he should apologize for arresting him, but not for Mr. Gates calling it racism.
If you're a cop, and this guy follows you out into the yard yelling and cursing at you, and cursing about your 'mama,' and other people are witnessing this, you don't think about arresting him?

Gimme a break.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_arresting_officer

This link says Gates handed over his Identification, but was arrested after he asked for the officers name.
You're a terrible liar. Did you think nobody would check the link? You're attributing Gates' own personal account to the writers of the article. That's highly misleading. And even HE admits following the cops onto the porch and going off on them.

Your credibility = 0.

Police said he flew into a verbal rage after Sgt. James Crowley, who is white, asked him to show identification to prove he should be in the home. Police say Gates accused Crowley of racial bias, refused to calm down and was arrested. The charge was dropped Tuesday, but Gates has demanded an apology, calling his arrest a case of racial profiling.

Gates, 58, maintains he turned over identification when asked to do so by the police. He said Crowley arrested him after the professor followed him to the porch, repeatedly demanding the sergeant's name and badge number because he was unhappy over his treatment.
What treatment was he unhappy about? Was he tasered? No. Was he called any names? No. So what was it? Simple. The cop didn't know who he was, a highly respected and prestigious member of the elite professorial corps at Harvard. How DARE that cop not know who he was! Why, he's racist for sure!
 
If you're a cop, and this guy follows you out into the yard yelling and cursing at you, and cursing about your 'mama,' and other people are witnessing this, you don't think about arresting him?

Gimme a break.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates3.html

This is the police report, nowhere does any officer mention cursing, and Gates says "I'll talk to your mama outside". Majority of this took place inside his residence, he invited Gates to come outside, Gates continued to ask for his name, and started saying "this is what happens to a black man in America" I go back to my original statement, the officers ego was hurt, thats why he arrested him.

I have told cops "I :q:q:q:qed your mother", I didnt get arrested!
 
You're a terrible liar. Did you think nobody would check the link? You're attributing Gates' own personal account to the writers of the article. That's highly misleading. And even HE admits following the cops onto the porch and going off on them.

Your credibility = 0.

What treatment was he unhappy about? Was he tasered? No. Was he called any names? No. So what was it? Simple. The cop didn't know who he was, a highly respected and prestigious member of the elite professorial corps at Harvard. How DARE that cop not know who he was! Why, he's racist for sure!

Foss, give me your adress, I am going to come on your front porch and demand proof that you stay there. I never said it was "racism" i don't believe the cop is racist, I think his ego was hurt, sometimes a man ego is easily bruised.
 
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates3.html

This is the police report, nowhere does any officer mention cursing, and Gates says "I'll talk to your mama outside". Majority of this took place inside his residence, he invited Gates to come outside, Gates continued to ask for his name, and started saying "this is what happens to a black man in America" I go back to my original statement, the officers ego was hurt, thats why he arrested him.

I have told cops "I :q:q:q:qed your mother", I didnt get arrested!
Sounds more like Gates' ego was hurt. The big professor on campus, been on da Oprah show, and this dumb ol' cop doesn't recognize him? The audacity! :rolleyes:

Keep pumping out the links, it's amusing. As is your disrespect for cops, which certainly explains the position you've taken here.
 
Foss, give me your adress, I am going to come on your front porch and demand proof that you stay there.
You don't want to do that. A) You're not a cop B) You would have no jurisdiction C) I have my keys on me so I'm not breaking into my own house D) You'd be trespassing E) Nobody called the cops to report a break in at my house. I'll tell you this though, if a cop showed up at my house under the same circumstances, I'd THANK HIM FOR CHECKING ON MY HOUSE.
 
You're a terrible liar. Did you think nobody would check the link? You're attributing Gates' own personal account to the writers of the article. That's highly misleading. And even HE admits following the cops onto the porch and going off on them.

Your credibility = 0.

What treatment was he unhappy about? Was he tasered? No. Was he called any names? No. So what was it? Simple. The cop didn't know who he was, a highly respected and prestigious member of the elite professorial corps at Harvard. How DARE that cop not know who he was! Why, he's racist for sure!

Sounds more like Gates' ego was hurt. The big professor on campus, been on da Oprah show, and this dumb ol' cop doesn't recognize him? The audacity! :rolleyes:

Keep pumping out the links, it's amusing. As is your disrespect for cops, which certainly explains the position you've taken here.

I just dont get along with some cops, usually because cops have a "take charge" attitude, I have the same attitude, plus I am really confident, maybe a little arrogant, but thats how I am. Read the police report!
 
You don't want to do that. A) You're not a cop B) You would have no jurisdiction C) I have my keys on me so I'm not breaking into my own house D) You'd be trespassing E) Nobody called the cops to report a break in at my house. I'll tell you this though, if a cop showed up at my house under the same circumstances, I'd THANK HIM FOR CHECKING ON MY HOUSE.

A) I can become one. B) You stay in Louisville, right! C) He had his keys also, his door jammed D.) The cop was trespassing E.) Just put yourself in his shoes, elderly, disabled man, who had someone try and break in earlier, just returning from overseas, tired, horny, old and ugly. How do you think it makes him look when there are police lights infront of his home, neighbors automatically start thinking trouble.
 
Your story says he instantly replied with the racism claims, while his report says he simply stated he would not step out on the porch.
 
If this is so, why were the charges dropped? Police Departments usually drop charges when there isn't enough evidence to convict a person.

Or, maybe the DA didn't want to deal with it. They are petty charges. I don't know why charges were dropped.

Can you provide a link to the story to prove that he was Belligerent?

Do you understand what "Belligerent" means?

How do I obtain this "post" certification that you speak of?

Peace
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Standards and
Training

And don't take this the wrong way, but with your attitude, you wouldn't make it past the first day in the academy.

Seriously man, get off the racism bandwagon. I've seen you start racist arguments too many times on LvC to not understand how your thinking goes. This was not a Rodney King incident. It was some professor who thought he was the chit, and happened to be black.

I'm curious that you didn't even say a word about the picture showing Gates being escorted by a Black cop and a Hispanic cop. Those damned black cops and hispanic cops keeping the black man down! Oh... wait...

Every cop I've talked to today (and I know me a bunch, ranging from city cops to Interpol), have said the same thing. "I'd arrest his ass, black, white, yellow, purple with pink polkadots, I don't care". Of course, I'm paraphrasing in the quote, but you get the idea.
 
I'll tell you this though, if a cop showed up at my house under the same circumstances, I'd THANK HIM FOR CHECKING ON MY HOUSE.
You certainly didn't have this same opinion of cops a year ago.

Ah, the wonders of living in a police state
2nd Amendment? 4th Amendment? Who needs 'em?

I'm not trying to pick a fight, and yes, I know the circumstances are different. I'm just pointing out that much of this depends on your personal point of view. What one person may consider abuse of power may sound perfectly reasonable to someone else and vice versa.

And for the record, I think Gates was probably out of line based on what I've heard.
 
Or, maybe the DA didn't want to deal with it. They are petty charges. I don't know why charges were dropped.



Do you understand what "Belligerent" means?



Peace
Officer
Standards and
Training

And don't take this the wrong way, but with your attitude, you wouldn't make it past the first day in the academy.

Seriously man, get off the racism bandwagon. I've seen you start racist arguments too many times on LvC to not understand how your thinking goes. This was not a Rodney King incident. It was some professor who thought he was the chit, and happened to be black.

I'm curious that you didn't even say a word about the picture showing Gates being escorted by a Black cop and a Hispanic cop. Those damned black cops and hispanic cops keeping the black man down! Oh... wait...

Every cop I've talked to today (and I know me a bunch, ranging from city cops to Interpol), have said the same thing. "I'd arrest his ass, black, white, yellow, purple with pink polkadots, I don't care". Of course, I'm paraphrasing in the quote, but you get the idea.

Frog, I have repeated many times that the cop wasn't racist in this situation, I said his ego was hurt, you are the one making it a race issue, I said Gates was wrong for bringing race into the issue. ITS NOT A RACE ISSUE, ITS A EGO ISSUE!

Its funny you say I wouldnt make it past the first day in academy, I just recieved a invite from the Austin Police Department to test starting off at 58K, i just might take that offer to prove you wrong, if i pass all drinks on you?
 

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