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    Huh... link wont work. NBC nightly news broadcast date 06/16/2019. Full broadcast on YouTube. Again... starts at minute 15:11
     
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    Duh... had to switch to desktop site.:rolleyes:
     
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    Not trying to be mean here, but who cares? Everything you do is either on camera, recorded, tracked, etc. Why does this matter? You think GPS data isn't being tracked and sold?
     
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    I'm not too pleased with the constant erosion of privacy.
    They (police) should be required to get a court-order/search-warrant to pull and view that data. It should be possible for me to opt out of the logging of at least some of that data, like the GPS coordinates.
     
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      I get it but I think if we really want to be upset about something it's the monitoring of our internet usage/traffic. I'm not too upset with the GPS data or even having cameras everywhere, what are they going to do with that? See how often I visit IKEA? But tailoring my internet experience is frustrating. Net neutrality could bring a very different experience to that of what we're used to.
       
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      Not trying to be mean... but you may not fully understand the implications.

      po·lice state
      /pəˈlēs ˈstāt/
      noun
      1. a totalitarian state controlled by a political police force that secretly supervises the citizens' activities.

      Suggested reading would be George Orwell's "1984".

      If you live a completely wholesome life... and don't fall under the purview of what the government considers "questionable or illegal activities" , then you have nothing to worry about.

      However... you could be considered "guilty by association" depending on who you hang out with on a regular basis.

      YOU may not use drugs... but one of your friends, (in one social circle), might be a dealer... while another friend, (in another circle), might also be a dealer. By monitoring your vehicle... you may have just made the "watch list".

      Are you a firearms collector? Go to gun shops and shows? You may have just made the watch list.

      Do you have friends, ( that unbeknownst to you), are considered radical? You may have just made the watch list.

      Tie all 3 scenarios together... and you probably ARE on the watch list... when you have done nothing wrong. Again.... guilty by association.

      Monitoring internet traffic is just step 1. Home monitoring, (Alexa and smart TV's with cameras), is step 2. Vehicle monitoring is step 3.

      It's probably gonna get worse too.
       
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        I agree... and am usually cussing at my dumb smart phone... because its trying to show me what it wants to... instead of showing me what I'm trying to look for.

        It's called "indoctrination". So I guess smart phones would be step 3, and vehicle monitoring would be step 4.
         
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          I've definitely read the book and completely understand the implications, which are minimal. I think you're overstating and tying in fantasy with reality. Again, not trying to be mean but I think the population has a very unreal value tied to their data. Most of your data is meaningless. The tracking and value of the amount of times you visit a store, for example, is only really valuable to that store. Do you think someone is really sitting there watching you specifically? Or do you think the more realistic scenario that the store tracks traffic during certain business hours, is the more relevant data point? Do you think lists are being created based on your association?


          The harsh truth is, you're just an ant on an ant farm where no individual ant really has value. However, monitoring what the community does or doesn't, may have value. This may be meaner but I believe most of this is just the older generations being afraid of technology and their implications/benefits. Not everything is malevolent :) I embrace the changes, let them do whatever they want with my data - it's not valuable, unfortunately.


          And to go further, they are already monitoring a lot more than we even realize and most of it is driven by corporations that are paying hefty fees for that data for ad purposes. Most of it isn't malevolent, it's for business and to generate revenue.
           
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          Alot of people who weren't happy with the 2016 election outcome... might argue with you about that.

          Then you don't fully realize the influence that Social Media has on the average person.

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            Yep, this is how we lose. Ignore the "little" intrusions until there are too many and it is too late.
            If there were no value in the data, it wouldn't be collected in the first place.
             
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              Well... I don't know what you consider "older" , (no offense taken)... but for many years I was an "early adopter". Now... that I see tech changing so quickly... i don't bother to try and keep up. But I do now see how technology is being abused and misused to the detriment of the average person.
               
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                JJ,

                No offense meant... but I'm going to jump to an unfounded conclusion... that you graduated high school somewhere within the last 10 years.

                If I am wrong... I apologize. But if I am right... I would say that you have already been indoctrinated to blindly accept technology as a necessary benign evil... which is far from the truth.

                Look up U.N. agendas 21 and 30. Agenda 21 is already happening in Europe... and if this country falls to Socialism... it will be here too.
                 
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                  Ok... I'm off my soapbox now.
                   
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                  Wow this was an interesting conversation lol

                  So I would say you all made some solid points, and for the most part, you all agree with one another in that privacy should be protected, as mandated by laws that existed long before any of us were born. Although I'm Canadian, I am aware of US constitutional rights, and I understand why Americans value them. That said...

                  You can actually protect your privacy fairly easily through understanding software UI.

                  For those of you using Android devices:
                  *Disable all data collecting transfer to google, its in your settings. When you setup a new (or reset) device, this is one of the permissions you are asked.
                  *Disable permissions for apps to use your location that are unnecessary. I myself use a Chinese phone from Xiaomi. Xiaomi makes excellent software, and allows you to disable many permissions. However Xiaomi includes their 'own' invasion of privacy through their mi services. Simple fix. Youtube "Root (insert your phone name)". Then after rooting, disable the services.
                  *Any service not belonging to stock android, can be disabled. Samsung, LG, Sony, Asus - they all include their own form of services. Disable them.
                  *Never use a VPN service on your phone. VPN's can see your data, and even steal. Never,ever, EVER do online banking over a public wifi, through a VPN, or anything other than your home internet/cell data service.
                  *DO NOT CONNECT YOUR PHONE VIA USB OVER PUBLIC CHARGE STATIONS. Buy a backup battery, they're $10.
                  Done. No more data leaching, privacy on your phone secured.

                  Onto Windows...
                  Windows 10 has an undeniable communication with MS servers. MS is not stealing data, but they are trying to learn from user input. As is Google with Android. For Windows this can be stopped, but you will need to be a little more tech savvy. Start by disabling Cortana. Avoid suspicious websites, and certainly avoid free streaming sites like potlucker. These are notorious for embedding malware/spyware/adware. If you're gonna use free stream sites, might as well pay a VPN for $2 and Torrent.

                  For Apple Users:
                  Apple has an ecosystem that is controlled - by Apple. Contrary to popular opinion, its not safer from data leaching. In fact, Apple is a large target for data leaching due to the incredible amount of iPhones and iPads on the market. I personally dont use Apple's devices, as I get what I want from Android and Windows (for much less $$), but you can youtube how to make your device more secure.

                  At the end of the day, your privacy is in your hands. Learning how to use the devices you buy with your money. Learning how to avoid malicious software and services. Learning how to avoid public zones of data leaching. All of that is up to you - the user. Much like I come here and learn how to fix the issues with my LS. All of you have the responsibility to learn what your devices are doing, and how to stop them.
                   
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                    If you guys want to watch an amazing Youtube video on privacy etc.. watch MatPats Watchdogs videos. Based on a video game about hacking, these videos are very entertaining. Make some popcorn and watch them in the dark, it'll have you checking your phone every 30 seconds XD haha

                    But tin foil hats aside =p these videos are in good fun and very enjoyable. PLEASE take them with a grain of salt, again they are based on the video game franchise Watch Dogs.




                    And this is a bonus one, delves a little more into privacy invasion
                     
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                    LOL... So you trust your data more with the Chinese??? Keep in mind that they stole the blueprints for our B1 Stealth bomber... and made an exact copy.

                    I got a better one for ya... watch Mel Gibson's (Julia Roberts) "Conspiracy Theory" ... and Will Smith's (Gene Hackman) "Enemy of the State" back to back. :eek:

                    While I don't have a tinfoil hat :D ... I did discover by accident that the the drywall in the exterior walls of my house... is foil lined. Phew ! ;)
                     
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                    On another note... it was released recently... that Facebook is coming out with it's own crypto-currency.

                    To loosely quote one late night talk show host... " With all of the privacy issues they've had over the years, like I'd really want to give them my bank account number ".

                    Now... with mid term elections coming up... it's being reported that people are concerned about "election meddling". It's only meddling if people are stupid enough to believe the lies... without researching the facts for themselves. "If it's on the internet... then it must be true". :rolleyes:

                    Zuckerberg and his cronies should be in jail by now... for their lack of policing the monster they created. I got a hunch that Zuckerberg is in the back pocket of some elite egalitarian. The same one that is behind agendas 21 and 30... ( "cough cough" Soros "cough cough" ).
                     
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                      Couldn't AGREE more...Never a truer statement than what Joe just said!
                       
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                      Right on!!!!!
                       
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                      Not exactly.
                      I trust no one with my data. I'm fairly savvy with this, so gimmie a sec.
                      All copies of Android are linux based. They all come from Google Inc, your 'trusty' American corp. Like Apple and Microsoft, Google provides the basics for tools and development (the difference here being Google doesn't charge for Android - totally free). In every Android, however, Google has coding to force the OS to run their services called 'Play' service. Android is built on these services, and patented. These services are what Google uses to track user data - tho limited.

                      Companies like Samsung (korean), Xiaomi (chinese), Huawei (Chinese), Sony (Jap), LG (Korean), Asus (Tai), Motorola (USA) - make the hardware. Because each company uses different parts such as SoC processors, they have to tailor the Android to run Kernels (Drivers) to help Android understand each chip.

                      Android is called a ROM. It runs on top of Linux.
                      These companies modify the ROM to add their own apps and services. So, and here's the point to this, you can Root the device (unlock its boot loader) and re program it with a Custom built ROM from XDA Developer websites. HOWEVER often times, people who build the ROMS, aren't skilled enough and thustly, don't program the Android ROMs to work well with the phones Bios (Linux + Kernels) and often times you wound up with a glitchy phone. Crashing, freezing, rebooting etc..

                      So what I recommend, is to simply root the device (to gain Kernel level access) and use 'System remover apps' to get rid of the unwanted extra services provided by ALL these tech giants. And BTW, they ALL do it - Samsung being the WORST contender in the past.
                       
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                      Yeah this one is interesting. I have a feeling that this is something to flood the market with mining. Not a good thing, as it will affect industry and pricing on things like hardware (graphics cards) and drive electricity costs up. I personally think the crypto system needs more infrastructure. Its unstable and difficult for many to get into.
                       
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                      I find it amusing that it doesn't actually exist. It's just "credits"... and one dollar equals one credit, (USA), or one Euro... based on exchange rates, (for now).

                      However... this would most likely open the door for a "world" currency with no exchange rates... eventually putting all countries on a level economic field... which would force the wealthier countries to carry the poorer ones that can't contribute as much to the global economy.

                      Basically global Socialism! A two class world society... made up of "the elites" and "the rest".

                      On top of that... by going cashless... you "won't be able to buy or sell without it". Welcome to the "New World Order". :eek::rolleyes:
                       
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                      Sorry... I would have to disagree... based on a couple of my last posts. That data creates a "profile" on each and every one of us. By that "profile"... it can be determined who will "comply" ... and who will "resist". Who is complacent... and who is active. Who is ignorant... and who is aware.
                       
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