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NickT88LSC and me put these in yesterday. Sorry for the crappy cell phone pics, my digi camera battery died :( Gave it a quickie spray paint job, too, so you guys wouldn't bitch at me for not painting them :p I have the brake paint kit at home, but it takes 24 hours to dry and it's an hour and 15 minute ride home from the shop. I think I may just get four new calipers and have them powder coated.

Gonna have to get the rear stainless lines, too. Only got the fronts for now.


Thanks again, Ken!!

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Very nice install!! I have OEM Rotors on the back with the caliper base painted grey and the caliper black :)

Looks very good bro! Keep up the good work.

BTW Love the offset of your wheels!!
 
Not too bad...a little noisy, but they say it should go away by 1000 miles. Haven't really had to stomp on them yet. Used the SST to slow the car up on the way home cause you know how Route 17 can get. We shall see how they hold up. :D
 
What kind of wax are you using on that thing? Nice brakes by the way.
 
Thanks.

I use whatever the Messicans use when they wax it for me. I did just pick up some Zymol while out food shopping with the woman, though.
 
Thanks.

I use whatever the Messicans use when they wax it for me. I did just pick up some Zymol while out food shopping with the woman, though.

Zymol is probably the most difficult wax to buff off. It's a very good wax but it takes some effort. I like Zaino.
 
Nice NYC!

You'll love the Zymol. I never had any problems with it buffing off.
 
Thanks.

I use whatever the Messicans use when they wax it for me. I did just pick up some Zymol while out food shopping with the woman, though.

What kind, the cleaner wax? I haven't had problems buffing that kind out.
 
Hey, off topic but I was in Manhattan yesterday. I was getting a pretzel from the vendor outside the dog park on the East River and I saw a car exactly like yours go on by NYC. I didn't hear any exhaust so I am thinking it was not you and I think the wheels were the factory chromes but he was fling by so all I saw was a chrome blur.
 
Looks great! I'm sure you've noticed a huge difference in braking now. The best item was probably the stainless steel brake lines. That makes a HUGE difference.
 
I was just telling one of the guys here at work that I gave the pedal a nice little push while slowing down in traffic (maybe about 25mph) and the car STOPPED. I was like holy sh*t lol

Definitely want to get those rear lines as well, so I'm sure you'll see something from me soon. :)
 
NYC,
They will groan for some time.
As you know I just did the EBC's on my LS, about 1200 miles ago.
They still make noise. A groaning noise, that isnt bad. The squeek went away in about 600 miles.
The hotter they get, the quieter they are. No matter what noises are going on, they inspire confidence in ALL applications.
Looks good!
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Yeah, the paperwork says they will make some noise forever, like a whooshing sound of sorts. The rears squeal, but I'm sure that's all due to me needing to break them in some more. I've only put about 85 miles on the car since we put them on....so since I don't drive a lot during the week or at all really, it'll take me a while to get to 1000 miles. lol
 
Just put EBC Ultimax rotors and Redstuff Pads on my car today (fronts only). And DAMN do they squeal like hell! And the rotors vibrate like crazy at about 25mph under normal braking. I'm hoping that will go away once they're worn in. But stop they do.
 
Here is some information from EBC's website that will help you with the squeal issue:

Bedding in EBC pads
In Street use situations …
Bedding in when the red EBC surface coating (marked on the pads as Brake In) is applied.
Best procedure is to drive gently avoiding harsh braking unless in an emergency for first 100 miles. In the second 100 miles (up to 200) you can use gently increasing brake pressures when using the brakes.
Only after 200 miles urban driving (not 200 miles on a freeway where brakes are almost unused) should you attempt to apply heavy load and heat to the brakes. To do this final bedding on a QUIET ROAD in safe traffic apply the brakes and slow from 60 to 10 MPH five times in a row. Then drive slowly for a few minutes if safe to do so to allow the brakes to cool. Try to avoid coming to a rest whilst the brakes are heated.
A smell may be noticed from the warm brakes, this is normal. Repeat this procedure a second time after the brakes have TOTALLY cooled down. EBC pads get better with miles. Even after this bed in procedure it can take up to 1500 miles before the pads are at their best. In the meantime the pads will be good and safe but true potential not realised. EBC makes performance pads that last, they do not bed in within 5 minutes driving. Noises will be more likely during the first 1000-1500 miles use whilst this chemical bedding takes place.

NEVER attempt to sand or scotchbrite brake pads to assist it bedding in or noise reduction,this will only make things worse by taking the pads "Off-Flat" and require hundreds of miles driving to seat them again during which time the brakes will feel very dull. The only way to seat pads is against the rotor they will be used on and by following our bedding recommendation.

Brake Squeal
Brake squeal often happens during the first few hundred miles of use as pads bed in to a new or used rotor. Provided that you have the latest engineering specification of pad with center line slots, edge chamfers and black noise reduction shims on the reverse of the pads, please wait until you have achieved 1000 miles of driving before evaluating brake noise. If you have EBC Brake pads that do not have these shims, and are located in mainland USA we will post these to you free of charge. In early production some EBC REAR fitment pads did not have noise shims. We offer to mail these free of charge if you have rear brake noise which is the most common. Rear brake noise can develop even when rear pads have NOT been changed as the more efficient front pads take up all the brake load and leave the original rear pads under-utilised. This will necessitate changing the rear pads to the same pads as in the front or if the original rears are also non shimmed, you may be able to solve with adding shims to those. Ask us for a free set of shims for those pads which we are happy to supply at no charge. It is quite common with performance pads to hear a once only screech when REVERSING from a cold start. This is because of the change in geometry of pad and rotor alignment in reverse motion. When driving forward the noise should not repeat.

Intermittent noises from rotors or rotor vibration
If sport rotors are not checked for runout, driving without even applying brakes will exhibit a clicking noise on a “Once-per-rev” of the wheel basis. If you encounter this, especially early after having rotors installed return them to the service shop and have them checked for runout. Recommendations for maximum permissible runout vary from 0.001 to 0.002 inches on most European cars to 0.003 to 0.006 on larger USA Trucks and SUV’s. Figures above these are not only unacceptable but they will cause brake vibration after a period of 3000 to 4000 miles. (Read below in Blue please) which is not grounds for warranty. Mounting rotors on dirt or rust and scale covered hubs or excessive use of mounting greases and most often incorrect tightening of rotors from first install are the common reasons for excess runout. If your installer knows his job he will hand tighten the rotor studs in a diagonal fashion with gradually increasing torques by hand and final tighten with a TORQUE wrench and ideally you wont even see or hear an air gun being used. Guns (including air guns) are for cowboys and are often used by them.
Why do rotors suffer vibration after 3000-4000 miles and how can EBC be so precise in this mileage estimate, surely it cannot be the same for every car???????? … this is a common question.
The reason the mileage is more or less the same for every car where vibration occurs is that the problem develops OFF BRAKE or when you are driving without applying the brake. The more freeway driving you do the more easily this can occur. The excess runout mentioned above caused in 90% of the cases by bad fitting and not checking for runout (and the other 10% due to a hub not running true such a car that has impacted a curb at some time) … causes the pad to “Kiss” the rotor gently each revolution of the wheel as you drive. After the above mileage period the pads wear a microscopic thin spot on the rotor and a condition known as DTV occurs. This DTV (Disc Thickness Variation) causes the brake to pulse. A small amount of runout itself does NOT cause vibration but the tiniest amount of DTV does cause vibration. That is why when a rotor is not running true the car does not exhibit vibration in the first few miles and this explains how it shows up later (3000-4000 miles).
How can I cure this vibration problem ??????
Rotors will need to be turned at a machine shop or brake fitting center or replaced. EBC sport grooved rotors can be turned with good results on standard AAMCO brake lathes. If too badly scored or worn some rotors will have to be replaced. New pads will ALWAYS be needed.
Before taking your car to the shop, check if the vibration is coming from the front or the rear to save costs in unnecessary brake work. Generally vibration under braking that can be felt through the bodywork or seating of the car is a problem on the REAR brake and vibration felt on the steering wheel is related to FRONT brake problems.
What are the best pads to prevent or limit brake vibration????
Any good quality pad with a high thermal conductivity will reduce the chances of vibration both due to DTV as described above or vibration at speeds due to what we call thermal shock. Thermal shock is common on European cars and all pads in the EBC range are especially good at reducing vibration. Our online catalog recommends the minimum grades for your car and shows options.
Read this (June 06) comment from an EBC Brake user …

Sir,
I got the brakes in record time, less than 5 days, and put them on the weekend after. So far it’s been three weeks and the judder that I’ve been fighting with hasn’t appeared. I think we will be good to go for the duration. The first thing I noticed about the rotors was that they weren’t those blasted composite type that XX had stuck us with as original equipment and the same for XXXX (large chain store name deleted by EBC so we don’t get our asses sued). These were all cast - fabulous! You can’t imagine how many times I changed the brakes and had the rotors machined. I was concerned about dealing with an “unknown” (by me) internet company, you know it’s somewhat of a crap shoot online, but you guys came through with flying colors. Thanks!
From: “Boonie Taylor”
 
Hey man, by chance did you get around to using that Zymol yet?

BTW, not only does it work good but it smells god as well. I love the smell of it...lol!

I dont see anyone here that actually uses it, they all just agree its a good product.
 
I would have, but left it home. :( I washed the car at the woman's place today myself - first time in years that I had access to a hose and didn't have to pay to get it done. Used the Turtle Wax Ice soap. Car looks awesome. Especially the wheels that looked black chrome from the brake dust. Oh yeah, save your money on the Meguiar's wheel cleaner spray - it's garbage.
 
I use the Zymol HD cleanse on my wheels. I use a microfiber mit and a bucket of hot water and I rinse them off with a big huge spray bottle like you would use for weed killer and stuff. I fill that up with the hottest water that comes out of the tap, twist the nozle to fine mist after the soap is gone and work the rest of the wheels the same ( that helps dry the wheels and reduce water spots till you are done and get to the actual drying ). Then I dry whats left over with another microfiber mit. It works good. Probably works to the best that I have experienced so far.

Let us see what it looks like when you get around to it.
 
I use the Zymol HD cleanse on my wheels. I use a microfiber mit and a bucket of hot water and I rinse them off with a big huge spray bottle like you would use for weed killer and stuff. I fill that up with the hottest water that comes out of the tap, twist the nozle to fine mist after the soap is gone and work the rest of the wheels the same ( that helps dry the wheels and reduce water spots till you are done and get to the actual drying ). Then I dry whats left over with another microfiber mit. It works good. Probably works to the best that I have experienced so far.

Let us see what it looks like when you get around to it.

Watch the water temp if you have any kind of wax or sealant on those wheels. If you do, lukewarm will have to do.
 
My point is that I do them up nice afterwards. Thats why I use the HD cleanse.
Whats a good way to keep my brakes clean with out hurting the paint on my wheels with brake cleaner?
 

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