My New Headache

I dont get it, are you thinking about ordering them or do you have them installed?
 
Gotcha, I personally kept the airride, jsut switched it over to whats known as a fast bag setup. Im using 6" air springs I custom made the cups (where the airbags bolt into) put 1/2" valves 1/2" airline 2 7 gallon air tanks, a compressor and a 7 switchbox. and now I can play with the height at anytime.

and my airsprings are $80 to replace new instead of a few hundred for the stock slow stuff.
 
I really do not see what all the fuss is over the air ride. I find it very simple to work on & very reliable as well. It's like anything else, it will need to be repaired/replace at some point just like everything else on your car. I personally do not like the coil conversion. Even with the lowered coil kit the front end looks like it's sitting too high in the air. When you put luggage in the trunk or passengers in the back seat the rear end will sag.

I wish you good luck with the coil kit, let us know how it turns out.

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I wonder how the install will go. You have not even attempted to fix your air-ride and diagnose it. You threw a computer at it, which you were TOLD would not fix it. Then you give up and will spend almost $400 when the system may be perfectly fine.
 
unity said:
I wonder how the install will go. You have not even attempted to fix your air-ride and diagnose it. You threw a computer at it, which you were TOLD would not fix it. Then you give up and will spend almost $400 when the system may be perfectly fine.
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Aren't you glad this is YOUR car and YOU can decide what you are going to do to it so that YOU are happy...welcome to the Sermon on the...

face it, you have been told, the problem here is if you ask a question, formulate an opinion, or have an experience that differs from others here, you are TOLD about yourself.

Sorry, see it too often-just HELP, then if someone here decides to go another way, face the fact that there are other ways to 'skin a cat' and try NOT to be so condesending-a la FROGMAN, who, aside form getting 42,000 miles per gallon, also had a 6000 hp engine that ran on air only, + had to impose his ATTITUDE on others-geezze-now that vacancy has now been filled, gosh, we are so glad not another pompous somebody has applied for the position. Got my vote...congrats to you, postboy, all yours-

sorry to others for the rant, thousands of members, only a few feel entitled to abuse others if they make choices that deviate from edicts.

Dude, it's your car, go for it.
 
mmtphoto said:
Aren't you glad this is YOUR car and YOU can decide what you are going to do to it so that YOU are happy...welcome to the Sermon on the...

face it, you have been told, the problem here is if you ask a question, formulate an opinion, or have an experience that differs from others here, you are TOLD about yourself.

Sorry, see it too often-just HELP, then if someone here decides to go another way, face the fact that there are other ways to 'skin a cat' and try NOT to be so condesending-a la FROGMAN, who, aside form getting 42,000 miles per gallon, also had a 6000 hp engine that ran on air only, + had to impose his ATTITUDE on others-geezze-now that vacancy has now been filled, gosh, we are so glad not another pompous somebody has applied for the position. Got my vote...congrats to you, postboy, all yours-

sorry to others for the rant, thousands of members, only a few feel entitled to abuse others if they make choices that deviate from edicts.

Dude, it's your car, go for it.
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Wow, you are quite the all-mighty! Lets see. Been TRYING to help but the poster does not check anything. Just throws a computer in without even knowing what's up! Thats like saying "my engine is making a weird sound." and then replacing it without even trying to diagnose and isolate the problem for repair.

If thats your method photo, go for it! I would think checking the system over for what might just be a sensor that fell off would be better than dropping $400.
 
Hey Danny! Are there any members anywhere near you who could possibly help you diagnose and fix the air ride? Offer them a few bucks and you could be all set... That sounds like a good idea to me, before you go spending all that money. Seems a shame to junk the system if the bags are still good.
 
mafioso said:
Gotcha, I personally kept the airride, jsut switched it over to whats known as a fast bag setup. Im using 6" air springs I custom made the cups (where the airbags bolt into) put 1/2" valves 1/2" airline 2 7 gallon air tanks, a compressor and a 7 switchbox. and now I can play with the height at anytime.

and my airsprings are $80 to replace new instead of a few hundred for the stock slow stuff.
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Gonna sell a kit :D?
 
unity said:
I wonder how the install will go. You have not even attempted to fix your air-ride and diagnose it. You threw a computer at it, which you were TOLD would not fix it. Then you give up and will spend almost $400 when the system may be perfectly fine.
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I don't call it perfect when the nose is on the ground and the ass is up in the air.

I would love to leave the air ride on it but I' just to stupid to fix it OK. And I can convert it over that I can do.
I took it to the Lincoln dealer had it checked because I didn't understand how to check it.
They said the susp. module was bad. So I REPLACED IT.

The old one I took off had been opened and sealed back up Good or Bad I don't know about.
The car was setting UP on all fours but not now.Does that mean I need another new module that the one I installed was bad??
I do not hear the pump running and not sure it was before.All I know that the car was setting up for 2 weeks and now its not. And the I am smart enough to fix if I convert it over.
I do NOT know how to check the pump
I don't know what a sensor is.
Do not know where the relay is at.
all I do know its all screwed up.

So thank you guys that have tried to help me and NOT CRITASIZE ME. and thats all I got to say on the matter. Danny
 
unity said:
Wow, you are quite the all-mighty! Lets see. Been TRYING to help but the poster does not check anything. Just throws a computer in without even knowing what's up! Thats like saying "my engine is making a weird sound." and then replacing it without even trying to diagnose and isolate the problem for repair.

If thats your method photo, go for it! I would think checking the system over for what might just be a sensor that fell off would be better than dropping $400.
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No @sshole I didn't just trow a computer in it I had it checked at the Lincoln dealer and they said that was the problem.
Thank God I didn't let them sale me one $400.00. Danny
 
Glorywagon said:
No @sshole I didn't just trow a computer in it I had it checked at the Lincoln dealer and they said that was the problem.
Thank God I didn't let them sale me one $400.00. Danny
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So you trusted the dealer over any advise for FREE that could be given here. Hence my point. No trouble shooting has been done. I dont care if you throw your money away, by all means go ahead. My point is there are things to look at that dealers dont because they go by the "book". You system is not working right. Odds are its the relay, dirty relay contacts or a sensor just popped off. You are not willing to do these VERY simple checks yet you are capable enough to install a coil kit which is not easier, by a long shot, then spending 15 minutes to go through a few checks.
 
The vent valve on the compressor is shot and causes the issues you're having. There is no iffs or buts about airride, it's a very simple system. Run a test and see if it clicks ... I bet it's dead silent.
 
m_maker said:
The vent valve on the compressor is shot and causes the issues you're having. There is no iffs or buts about airride, it's a very simple system. Run a test and see if it clicks ... I bet it's dead silent.
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I bet it's dead silent.
yes it is dead silent. no click
 
Glorywagon said:
If I ordered the 1.5 lower do I also have to change the shocks?

Is it better to stay with standard?
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First you can trust Untiy's advice and suggestions. One of LvC's best resources for the Mark VIII. He's only trying to help you out and save you money. Many of use have had the same problems of going to a deal only to get screwed and still have the problem or have to now pay more to fix another problem. People come to these forums for Free advice on what to do, how to do it right, and do it inexpensively as possible.

Remember this advice. Go with Eddie... Free good advice.

Now for the 1.5 or standard height. This will depend on your driving. The 1.5 will drop the car and you will scrap over bumpy roads or have troubles where there are speed bumps.

Oh and I have both sets so I do have some experience with this. I put 235 60 16 tires on my 94 to give it a little more ground clearance. I don't like wagon wheels so you won't catch me putting 20's on it. maybe 17's and 18's are as big a rim as I'd ever go. But that's more money to throw at the problem.

Oh and Frogman ... Great guy ... may be a bit rough at times but what he says you can take to the bank!
 
Glorywagon said:
Ford will check it and give you a print out around $40.00 and if they fix it they will sub. the $40.00 from your bill. or just pay them $40.00 and take it home and fix it.
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Glorywagon said:
The car has been raised with the air ride switch not shut off. You will have to have air ride reset.
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For someone that was quick to tell others how to diagnose and fix their air ride, you sure were quick to "toss in the towel".

And if you (*your words*) are "too stupid" to work on/diagnose air ride, then you REALLY REALLY dont want to dive into a headswap for that car.
 
Oh the frustrations of owning a Mark.

Glorywagon, if you were a little closer, I'd consider coming to help but 6 hours is a bit of a drive. Hell I even have all working parts from my 96 that I converted.

What I would say is that m_maker might be right, the vent solenoid might possibly be the problem.

This is how the systems works.

First of all, there are five solenoids total, a vent solenoid and 4 bag solenoids.

When you start the car, all the solenoids are closed, everything is sealed up. The suspension control module reads the height sensors and then begins to make the proper adjustments.

It starts by raising the front first, the compressor kicks on and about a second later, the front bag solenoids open and the bags start to fill until the height sensor reaches it's proper level and then the SCM closes the front bag solenoids and proceeds to open the rear bag solenoids to raise them to the proper level.

Then when you turn the car off and close the door, the SCM then vents the bags to the curb height. The SCM opens the vent solenoid and then the front bag solenoids first, then closes the front bag solenoids and opens the rear bag solenoids, then closes all the solenoids back off.

So, if the vent solenoid was stuck in the open position, when you start the car, the compressor would start running, but once it opened the bag solenoids, all the air would just vent out, the front would drop and the compressor would run for 90 seconds and then time out, throwing a check air ride message.
 
Glorywagon, now that I've verbally abused you.. I'll attempt to assist you.

IF your compressor is weak and or dying.. it will overload the Air Ride Module and the Relay.. usually it kills the relay FIRST, then the module.

Try this.. Find the air ride relay that is bolted to the mount for the compressor.
Then find the same part inside the drivers side fender well..{that is the abs relay}
Swap the ABS relay with the Air ride relay and see if the compressor will turn on.
HOPEFULLY you've just killed/weaked the relay...
A weak air ride relay WILL operate the abs system, the abs doesnt put nearly the load on the relay that the air ride does.

IF swapping the relay works.. DO NOT FEEL YOUR CAR IS FIXED!

that means you REALLY need to replace the compressor.. DO IT.. dont drive the car until you do!

Otherwise your going to smoke the new relay AND the Air Ride Module.. again.

I agree with 96hohtrodlinoln.. and I had this happen to my car as well.
the "vent soleniod" inside the compressor corroded and leaked.
When that happens the compressor CANNOT pump air into the bags....
Once this goes "unattended" for an extended period of time, the pump dies because it's been overworked for so long.

Sorry for verbally abusing you...(lol)
I honestly hope this helps.

you owe it to yourself.. as a new mark 8 owner to experience a fully functioning air ride.. and enjoy it..
THEN... if you want to covert to springs feel free to butcher the car.. as many have said before.. it's YOUR CAR to butcher.

Also, on a side note.. pay particular attention to cars running acrossed ebay.
most if not all of them have been converted.. then after the conversion the cars are "sold off".. for "some strange reason".... co-incedence? I think not.
 
96hotrodlincoln said:
Oh the frustrations of owning a Mark.
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ahh that is true!

but the Joys of driving a fully functioning properly operating Mark 8 drasticly overshadow those moments when frustration is high.

I got 400,000 Joyful miles out of my 95 {before it was stolen) and I spent probably 3-4 weeks out of 8 years in "frustration mode"

IMHO that is a fair trade off.
 
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