Murtha says U.S. poses top threat to world peace

[Calabrio]

Murtha says U.S. poses top threat to world peace
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Tucson, Arizona 06.25.2006

MIAMI — American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.
Murtha was the guest speaker at a town hall meeting organized by Rep. Kendrick B. Meek, D-Miami, at Florida International University's Biscayne Bay Campus. Meek's mother, former Rep. Carrie Meek, D-Miami, was also on the panel.

War veterans, local mayors, university students and faculty were in the Mary Ann Wolfe Theatre to listen to the three panelists discuss the war in Iraq for an hour.

A former Marine and a prominent critic of the Bush administration's policies in Iraq, Murtha reiterated his views that the war cannot be won militarily and needs political solutions. He said the more than 100,000 troops in Iraq should be pulled out immediately, and deployed to peripheral countries like Kuwait.
"We do not want permanent bases in Iraq," Murtha told the audience. "We want as many Americans out of there as possible."

Murtha also has publicly said that the shooting of 24 Iraqis in November at Haditha, a city in the Anbar province of western Iraq that has been plagued by insurgents, was wrongfully covered up.

The killings, which sparked an investigation into the deadly encounter and another into whether they were the subject of a cover-up, could undermine U.S. efforts in Iraq more than the prison abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib in 2004, Murtha said.

"(The United States) became the target when Abu Ghraib came along," Murtha said.

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/135159

 

[biglou71]

Lincoln would have had him arrested and shipped to Iraq. And he is viewed as one of our greatest presidents. Ofcourse he would also have put the MSM on trial for treason as well.

 

[raVeneyes]

Lincoln would have had him arrested and shipped to Iraq. And he is viewed as one of our greatest presidents. Ofcourse he would also have put the MSM on trial for treason as well.

Strange... Lincoln did nothing about the media of his day dressing him down over and over again for how ugly he was and calling him stupid publicly every day of his presidency, and yet you think he'd charge them with treason now... How... odd...

Learn your history or you're doomed to repeat it.

 

[fossten]

Strange... Lincoln did nothing about the media of his day dressing him down over and over again for how ugly he was and calling him stupid publicly every day of his presidency

If your assertion about history is correct, then we can assume that Bush's presidency will be remembered in history in a similar fashion as Lincoln's.

Wonder which coin we'll have his likeness on?

 

[biglou71]

Strange... Lincoln did nothing about the media of his day dressing him down over and over again for how ugly he was and calling him stupid publicly every day of his presidency, and yet you think he'd charge them with treason now... How... odd...

Learn your history or you're doomed to repeat it.

Mabye you should be the one to learn some history. Lincoln did the following. Suspended the writ of habeas corpus, Surrounded the Maryland state legislature with Union troops and threatened to arrest and try every member that voted for sucession, Had Clement Laird Vallandigham, a vocal oppenent of the war, arrested and deported.... etc...

Oh and this gem from "Lincoln's Wrath" by Manber and
Neil Dahlstrom

"In this country," Lincoln observed, "public
sentiment is everything." For him that meant that it had
to be controlled, by any means necessary.

Lincoln and the Republicans looked on the Democratic
press as little better than treasonous. And in their
minds, any reservation about the war -- even the mere
suggestion that the "rebels" might have a point -- was
treason. Lincoln set out to crush the opposition press,
not only using arbitrary arrests and dubious legal powers
given him by the Republican Congress, but tacitly
encouraging mobs to invade newspaper offices, smash
printing presses, and visit violence on publishers.

He never expressed regret for these outrages and
never prosecuted them. (At the same time, he extended
secret favors to "loyal" newspapers.)

Lincoln's many speeches extolling freedom, in
striking contrast to Jefferson's, never mention freedom
of speech or an independent press. Strange and even
paradoxical as it may sound to those beguiled by the
"Honest Abe" myth, freedom survived in spite of Lincoln,
not because of him.

 

[FreeFaller]

Mabye you should be the one to learn some history. Lincoln did the following. Suspended the writ of habeas corpus, Surrounded the Maryland state legislature with Union troops and threatened to arrest and try every member that voted for sucession, Had Clement Laird Vallandigham, a vocal oppenent of the war, arrested and deported.... etc...

Oh and this gem from "Lincoln's Wrath" by Manber and
Neil Dahlstrom

Ouch. You might want to chop that pill up a little before you jam it down his throat with a baseball bat

 

[raVeneyes]

Mabye you should be the one to learn some history. Lincoln did the following. Suspended the writ of habeas corpus, Surrounded the Maryland state legislature with Union troops and threatened to arrest and try every member that voted for sucession, Had Clement Laird Vallandigham, a vocal oppenent of the war, arrested and deported.... etc..

Funny, even though he actively campaigned against the negative media he still did his constitutional duty of protecting the Union and the Constitution...he didn't suspend the first amendment or the right to a fair trial like our current president.

 

[biglou71]

Funny, even though he actively campaigned against the negative media he still did his constitutional duty of protecting the Union and the Constitution...he didn't suspend the first amendment or the right to a fair trial like our current president.

Try again.

With Congress not in session until July, Lincoln assumed all powers not delegated in the Constitution, including the power to suspend habeas corpus. In 1861, Lincoln had already suspended civil law in territories where resistance to the North's military power would be dangerous. In 1862, when copperhead democrats began criticizing Lincoln's violation of the Constitution, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus throughout the nation and had many copperhead democrats arrested under military authority because he felt that the State Courts in the north west would not convict war protesters such as the copperheads. He proclaimed that all persons who discouraged enlistments or engaged in disloyal practices would come under Martial Law.

Among the 13,000 people arrested under martial law was a Maryland Secessionist, John Merryman. Immediately, Hon. Roger B. Taney, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States issued a writ of habeas corpus commanding the military to bring Merryman before him. The military refused to follow the writ. Justice Taney, in Ex parte MERRYMAN, then ruled the suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional because the writ could not be suspended without an Act of Congress. President Lincoln and the military ignored Justice Taney's ruling.

 

[fossten]

Yeah, keep trying, Ravey, this is hilarious! :bowrofl:

 

[stang99x]

Murtha should be hung on the capital steps:shifty:

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Call me skeptical, but where is the quote from Murtha where he states that the "American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran" as purported by the author of this article??

Murtha says U.S. poses top threat to world peace
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Tucson, Arizona 06.25.2006

MIAMI — American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.
Murtha was the guest speaker at a town hall meeting organized by Rep. Kendrick B. Meek, D-Miami, at Florida International University's Biscayne Bay Campus. Meek's mother, former Rep. Carrie Meek, D-Miami, was also on the panel.

War veterans, local mayors, university students and faculty were in the Mary Ann Wolfe Theatre to listen to the three panelists discuss the war in Iraq for an hour.

A former Marine and a prominent critic of the Bush administration's policies in Iraq, Murtha reiterated his views that the war cannot be won militarily and needs political solutions. He said the more than 100,000 troops in Iraq should be pulled out immediately, and deployed to peripheral countries like Kuwait.
"We do not want permanent bases in Iraq," Murtha told the audience. "We want as many Americans out of there as possible."

Murtha also has publicly said that the shooting of 24 Iraqis in November at Haditha, a city in the Anbar province of western Iraq that has been plagued by insurgents, was wrongfully covered up.

The killings, which sparked an investigation into the deadly encounter and another into whether they were the subject of a cover-up, could undermine U.S. efforts in Iraq more than the prison abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib in 2004, Murtha said.

"(The United States) became the target when Abu Ghraib came along," Murtha said.

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/135159

I only count 3 quotes from Murtha in this article (bolded above), and none of them says what the title accuses him of saying. Is there a transcript of his speech that confirms this alleged quote? Or is this another exagerated "he-said-she-said" accusation with as much credibility as BuSh's statement that the "Constitution is just a God damn piece of paper."??

 

[MAC1]

This story has been out long enough for Murtha to correct any misstatements. So far, he has not attempted to make any corrections. So I take it that he said what the article claims he said.

 

[fossten]

Call me skeptical, but where is the quote from Murtha where he states that the "American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran" as purported by the author of this article??



I only count 3 quotes from Murtha in this article (bolded above), and none of them says what the title accuses him of saying. Is there a transcript of his speech that confirms this alleged quote? Or is this another exagerated "he-said-she-said" accusation with as much credibility as BuSh's statement that the "Constitution is just a God damn piece of paper."??

Wow, look who's splitting hairs now. Why don't you write and challenge the author of the article if you're so concerned? After all, it's YOUR traitor buddy Murtha who's having his "good" name besmirched SO UNFAIRLY. Disgusting display of defensiveness.

At least we know who your heroes are.