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He Fights! by Evan Sayet

My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #Never Trumpers) constantly ask me if I'm not bothered by Donald Trump's lack of decorum.

They ask if I don't think his tweets are "beneath the dignity of the office." Here's my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

We tried propriety: has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.

This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob

I don't find anything "dignified," "collegial" or "proper" about Barack Hussain Obama's lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

I don't see anything "dignified" in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don't see anything "statesman-like" in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was "articulate" and "polished" but in no way was he in the least bit "dignified," "collegial" or "proper."

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the '60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they've fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one and the violent take-over of the universities till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety. With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America 's first wartime president in the Culture War.

During wartime, things like "dignity" and "collegiality" simply aren't the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, "I cannot spare this man. He fights..."

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, son-of-a-bitch. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

Trump is fighting. And what's particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel's, he's shouting, "You magnificent bastard, I read your book!" That is just the icing on the cake, but it's wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he's defeating the Left using their own tactics and that's what they really hate.

That book is Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals a book so essential to the Liberals' war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton's senior thesis . It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted.

Trump's tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after "the fake media" and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal.

Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as "the most powerful weapon of all." ... Most importantly, Trump's tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices. They can either "go high" (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve.

It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive. Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama's close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright's church. Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration's weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration's cover-up.

So, to my friends on the Left and the #Never Trumpers as well do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be "collegial" and "dignified" and "proper"? Of course I do. These aren't those times. This is war. And it's a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don't care. I can't spare this warrior. He fights for America! Fight on you magnificent bastard.

With thanks to the OP---copied from YB
 
Let's also not forget that Obama allowed major amounts of drug deals to happen,,, just so he could get his Iran nuclear deal. Plus giving the cartel south of our border many automatic munitions intended for our DEA.

http://www.newsweek.com/hezbollah-cocaine-smuggle-united-states-obama-751928

https://nypost.com/2016/05/21/the-scandal-in-washington-no-one-is-talking-about/

Plus,,, Billary's private e-mail sever. Ok,,, she said she neither sent nor recieved an emails on that server... regarding the Benghazi issue. What she did not admit or deny is that she discussed the Benghazi issue on her private server. AND I almost forgot the Billary Russian uranium deal!!!

Cam,

I'm gonna bow out now... because I know "you know who" from another thread we left,,, will be coming along any time now... and I'm tired of his circular idiotic BS. The only other thing I will say is about Romney. He had some ideals and views that I didn't much care for, (again based on the ideals of the other thread we left). The differences were stark in contrast, (similar to Don-O).

Have fun. :)
 
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already beat you.

...And that statement proves everything! Problem is... you're so busy having a pissing contest with everyone,,, that you don't realize you have soaked your own shoes!!!

but you prefer faith over fact.

Wrong thread! Cam is talking politics here. So take your atheist, socialist, mental diarrhea back over to all of the Chrysler forums you belong to, (if you haven't been banned from them).

unsubscribing.
 
As I've said before, drivel.

It's real simple to spell correctly on the internet. Just push the right buttons and it'll tell you what you've misspelled with a little red wiggly line under the word you messed-up. (It's argument---leave out the 'e'.)

KS
 
Because there's no 'e' after 'u' in argument.

You need to become other than semi-literate.

KS
 
took you 3 weeks to come up with that? my question still stands. can't answer it?
I don't pay any attention to your blah on a regular basis.

Going back to your previous post, when 'because' is followed with a well-reasoned answer, as mine was, your comment is so off-point as to be the sort of yammer one would expect from a two-year-old.

'If you don't have liberal/progressive thoughts when less than 30 years old, you have no heart---If you continue to espouse liberal/progressive ideas after thirty, you have no brain.' Or you have evil intent toward others.

KS
 
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my question still stands. can't answer it?

A: your question is a very leading and disingenuous one (though, you are probably too stupid to realize it).

B: I've been waiting YEARS for you to confront the assumed materialism & empiricism inherent in all your boorish statements. I've posed that question to you countless times and you have dodged it every time, acting as if the very concept of metaphysics is a myth (and demonstrating your own arrogant ignorance in the process).

When it comes to dodging the question, you take the cake.
 
i've been waiting years for you to prove god, and you dance around it all the time. til then, your question is moot.
when it comes to dodging, you don't just take the cake,you take the whole bakery.:oops:

If you think the notion of metaphysics requires God, you are dumber than I thought.

You really should pick up a book on basic philosophy.
 
It's not up to us to prove anything. I'm the one who started this thread. You're welcome here as long as you contribute to the discussion. Standing off to one side and jeering simply shows that you have no place here. Contribute positively or go away.

KS
 
prove god, and i'll discuss it. as i said before.
philosophy without evidence is theology. with evidence, it's science.

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He Fights! by Evan Sayet

My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #Never Trumpers) constantly ask me if I'm not bothered by Donald Trump's lack of decorum.

They ask if I don't think his tweets are "beneath the dignity of the office." Here's my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

We tried propriety: has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.

This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob

I don't find anything "dignified," "collegial" or "proper" about Barack Hussain Obama's lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.
prove god, and i'll discuss it. as i said before.
philosophy without evidence is theology. with evidence, it's science.
metaphysics is abstract and removed from reality.
you want philosophy, go talk to your minister. or priest. or whichever serves as your imaginary friends apologist.:D
He Fights! by Evan Sayet

My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #Never Trumpers) constantly ask me if I'm not bothered by Donald Trump's lack of decorum.

They ask if I don't think his tweets are "beneath the dignity of the office." Here's my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

We tried propriety: has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.

This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob

I don't find anything "dignified," "collegial" or "proper" about Barack Hussain Obama's lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

I don't see anything "dignified" in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don't see anything "statesman-like" in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was "articulate" and "polished" but in no way was he in the least bit "dignified," "collegial" or "proper."

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the '60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they've fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one and the violent take-over of the universities till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety. With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America 's first wartime president in the Culture War.

During wartime, things like "dignity" and "collegiality" simply aren't the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, "I cannot spare this man. He fights..."

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, son-of-a-bitch. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

Trump is fighting. And what's particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel's, he's shouting, "You magnificent bastard, I read your book!" That is just the icing on the cake, but it's wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he's defeating the Left using their own tactics and that's what they really hate.

That book is Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals a book so essential to the Liberals' war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton's senior thesis . It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted.

Trump's tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after "the fake media" and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal.

Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as "the most powerful weapon of all." ... Most importantly, Trump's tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices. They can either "go high" (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve.

It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive. Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama's close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright's church. Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration's weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration's cover-up.

So, to my friends on the Left and the #Never Trumpers as well do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be "collegial" and "dignified" and "proper"? Of course I do. These aren't those times. This is war. And it's a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don't care. I can't spare this warrior. He fights for America! Fight on you magnificent bastard.

With thanks to the OP---copied from YB


I don't see anything "dignified" in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don't see anything "statesman-like" in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was "articulate" and "polished" but in no way was he in the least bit "dignified," "collegial" or "proper."

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the '60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they've fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one and the violent take-over of the universities till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety. With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America 's first wartime president in the Culture War.
He Fights! by Evan Sayet

My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #Never Trumpers) constantly ask me if I'm not bothered by Donald Trump's lack of decorum.

They ask if I don't think his tweets are "beneath the dignity of the office." Here's my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

We tried propriety: has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.

This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob

I don't find anything "dignified," "collegial" or "proper" about Barack Hussain Obama's lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

I don't see anything "dignified" in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don't see anything "statesman-like" in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was "articulate" and "polished" but in no way was he in the least bit "dignified," "collegial" or "proper."

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the '60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they've fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one and the violent take-over of the universities till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety. With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America 's first wartime president in the Culture War.

During wartime, things like "dignity" and "collegiality" simply aren't the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, "I cannot spare this man. He fights..."

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, son-of-a-bitch. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

Trump is fighting. And what's particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel's, he's shouting, "You magnificent bastard, I read your book!" That is just the icing on the cake, but it's wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he's defeating the Left using their own tactics and that's what they really hate.

That book is Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals a book so essential to the Liberals' war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton's senior thesis . It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted.

Trump's tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after "the fake media" and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal.

Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as "the most powerful weapon of all." ... Most importantly, Trump's tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices. They can either "go high" (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve.

It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive. Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama's close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright's church. Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration's weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration's cover-up.

So, to my friends on the Left and the #Never Trumpers as well do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be "collegial" and "dignified" and "proper"? Of course I do. These aren't those times. This is war. And it's a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don't care. I can't spare this warrior. He fights for America! Fight on you magnificent bastard.

With thanks to the OP---copied from YB


During wartime, things like "dignity" and "collegiality" simply aren't the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, "I cannot spare this man. He fights..."

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, son-of-a-bitch. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

Trump is fighting. And what's particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel's, he's shouting, "You magnificent bastard, I read your book!" That is just the icing on the cake, but it's wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he's defeating the Left using their own tactics and that's what they really hate.

That book is Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals a book so essential to the Liberals' war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton's senior thesis . It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted.

Trump's tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after "the fake media" and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal.

Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as "the most powerful weapon of all." ... Most importantly, Trump's tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices. They can either "go high" (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve.

It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive. Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama's close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright's church. Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration's weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration's cover-up.

So, to my friends on the Left and the #Never Trumpers as well do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be "collegial" and "dignified" and "proper"? Of course I do. These aren't those times. This is war. And it's a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don't care. I can't spare this warrior. He fights for America! Fight on you magnificent bastard.

With thanks to the OP---copied from YB
 
I am a liberal 75 . old guy, You took a its us versus them . I will not debate you on those levels. Its not me vs you. It is us vs how best to enjoy our life being conservative and or liberal You treated your beliefs to defend like 2 nfl football teams. ? Critical comments against usa are covered by constitution. Enough said by me
 
now you're finding out the only thing he fights for is himself. cares about rich fuckers like him, not you. (ran away from vietnam. he's never fought for your country.)
that's quite a deficit insuch a strong economy.

and shag, when you can materialize your invisible overlord, i'll discuss materialism, or anything you want. :rolleyes:
father or son. take a pick. hell, make it the holy ghost. or go for broke and make it all 3. how can you tell them apart?
Potus Trump is now more trouble than he is worth as our President. Its come to that point.
 
IMO Cammerfe is spot on with his opening statement. Conservative democrats are virtually extinct today while liberal Republicans are alive & well on the political stage. Thankfully, Trump is a push back on todays scales. As for the God issue that's been interjected, Its said that folks that are believers must all have started out as atheists but at some point became aware of something bigger than them selves. On the other hand, I have read nothing on true believers evolving into atheists.
My father was wounded 3 times on the Russian front and he would tell you its true, NO ONE walks away from that kind of front line war looking down their nose at the idea of God's existence. So, hrmwrm, there still "may" be hope for you to expand your view of life. One of the problems numerous liberals have is the ability to put them selves in some one else's shoes so to speak. Its that stumbling block that makes my recommendation of books like this one
https://www.amazon.com/My-Descent-I...ks&sprefix=my+sescent+,aps,173&sr=1-1-catcorr
almost moot. Despite the claim the author "was" a devout atheist. The Koreans have an ancient saying, You were born to die, prepare for it.
 
Good reply! The problem with it starts at the top where I say "true believers". Your definition of a true believer certainly isn't mine. The video was good for the most part but had some of that silliness that is just going to be there from the Bible box folks. Funny you should use a book by Mr. Loftus as an example. My wife and I had gone to a Church of Christ for nearly a year since friends of ours go there and we didn't care for it for mostly 2 reasons. They make a big deal out of Baptists baptizing later in life and they will not recognize Christmas as a holiday in the Church (because the Bible says nothing of it being a certain day). They just don't get it.....
Its not hard to understand the pure chaos that is in the Christian communities or other religious communities for that matter. They are so busy needle dicking the ink on the page that the spiritual meaning of our relationship with God flies on by without the faintest breeze of notice. The Human is a funny critter. When they have it good physically, the drive to seek a deeper meaning of ones life is put off for another day. And we all know were that can end up! Your boy up in the video is a super fine example of that. Here is a guy that claims to be exceptionally well read in a number of the world's religions. And yet he seems to claim there is no afterlife? He didn't say that but that is sort of an implication of his thoughts. This is the big parting of ways. The physicality of this world vs the non physicality ? of the next? That's the bull in the china closet that put your noted "religious" people back into atheism. And rightly so! IMO, until you have your own "spiritual"..... not religious experience, its a rather difficult road to express in a listener transformative way. You may say that we are gullibly imaginative and our DMT has been jacked up on some sort of steroids or some other dismissive ridicule and that's fine. Before my experience back in 1976, I would have been right along with you! I was brought up in a Greek Catholic Church and figured what a bunch of whack jobs running around kissing crosses and such! Try not to go and there was a special leather belt with my name on it! I HATED Church! Now I can see its purpose Right Wrong or twisted, It is a very, very frayed link to our spiritual nature that has been handily usurped by a whole lot of fast & easy materialism. Some day, science will in fact prove the existence of other dimensions as they are now tella transporting matter invisibly to other locations. The science of ghosts and other spiritual dimensions may move more along to the understanding of "Gods" creation. And in the end, God himself..... one way or another, I have faith in the drill! We all get a chance or more to learn it sooner or latter despite this passage or so say the reincarnationists. 13 For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
How broad is its context? Lets wait & see because either you have room for its possibilities or you don't at this very moment. Folks think destruction is a bad thing when indeed its part of the very fabric of life! Edgar Casey would say the un believers are simply made of splinter spirits in need of more life experiences. Who can argue over experiences being a bad thing? Its been fun.
 
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One thing we can rely on is 'the worm' appearing at intervals to confound us with his superior reasoning power.

Or his ability to wander off into a fog. This thread started out to be about the lack of thinking ability of those who espouse liberal-progressive ideas. Somehow worm has missed the point and gone back to ranting about atheism. (head shake).

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While stupid people are mostly dangerous only to themselves, (the type that check belt tension while the engine is running, or pick up a running lawn mower to trim the hedges... Both true stories) ... The really dangerous ones to society are the delusional demi-god types that try to push their agenda on everyone. But what else would you expect from a liberal socialist humanist.

Destruction may seem to be the final outcome... But science has proven that destruction tends to lead to some form of new life.

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