Looks like Obama might be finished.

[MonsterMark]

Heard some more rumor mongering...

Appears Barry Soetoro/Obama could have 2 birth certificates from Hawaii.

His original Barack one and then his new Barry one when he was adopted and made an Indonesian citizen by Lolo Soetoro.

No wonder he posted up the b.s. certificate.

It is also possible Barry is a Indonesian citizen still and has held a Indo passport in the past or still does, which could explain how he was let into Pakistan back in '81 and

This may all explain why Barry's passport records were broken into (as were Hillarys and McCains) by a Barry supporter back in Feb/Mar '08.

"The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign, a source said Saturday. John O. Brennan, president and CEO of the Analysis Corp., advises the Illinois Democrat on foreign policy and intelligence issues, the source said."

Looks like Barry didn't register for the draft when he was 18 and may have used his Indo identity to get out of having to register.

This may explain why Barry has been so busy burying his past.

Ol Barry is starting to stink like a week old fish on the pier.

Oh Well. Never mind me. I'm just a nut job fruitcake who doesn't believe Obama is who he says he is or was. :Beer

 

[fossten]

Well, you're not helping your case by not citing sources.

 

[Joeychgo]

I looked at the first 4 pages of Google News and found nothing like this.

 

[MonsterMark]

Well, you're not helping your case by not citing sources.

I'm a nutjob. Why would I need to cite sources anymore? I'm just pissing in the wind for your enjoyment.

 

[MonsterMark]

I looked at the first 4 pages of Google News and found nothing like this.

Hmmm, let's see. There are about 50 poeple in the world looking into Obama's past and you want to find it on google?

Why would google post it? They have already purged the Google Images site of all of the Obama certificate images. Google has become nothing more than a censorship site for liberals. Good grief. Try to keep up. Take a look at what YouTube does to conservative messages it finds offensive.

Like I've told you guys, you are better off keeping your heads in the sand. That way you won't lose sleep at night and you'll be able to say to your friends and loved ones that you didn't see it coming so your conscience will be clear.

 

[fossten]

Don't accuse us of keeping our heads in the sand when a) We've asked for verification of your claims and b) You won't provide any.

How about you quit being so childish and defensive, and provide some evidence for a change.

 

[ILLS]

How about you quit being so childish and defensive, and provide some evidence for a change.

But that would require having more than just hearsay to operate off of...

 

[MonsterMark]

How about you quit being so childish and defensive, and provide some evidence for a change.

Why don't you redirect your anger at Obama and MAKE him provide a certified copy of his birth certificate.

All of this behind the scenes stuff is happening because the Messiah refuses to provide a certified copy of his birth certificate. And don't tell me the crap they put up on Obama's SMEARS site qualifies. The certificate number is blanked out on the forged copy so we can't verify its authenticity.

 

[MonsterMark]

But that would require having more than just hearsay to operate off of...

You are welcome to hop a plane to Jakarta. We'll provide directions on where you need to go to obtain some of the records we need. Like the adoption papers that got BHO into the Madrassa.

How about this idea? Go over to Honolulu and try to talk to Madelyn Dunham, (you know her as Obama's racist white grandmother who raised him). She is imprisoned on the 5th floor of a swank Honolulu condo high-rise.

 

[MonsterMark]

"I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. ..." -- Barack Obama

 

[fossten]

Why don't you redirect your anger at Obama and MAKE him provide a certified copy of his birth certificate.

All of this behind the scenes stuff is happening because the Messiah refuses to provide a certified copy of his birth certificate. And don't tell me the crap they put up on Obama's SMEARS site qualifies. The certificate number is blanked out on the forged copy so we can't verify its authenticity.

Dude. Get a grip.

1. I'm not angry. Actually, I'm a bit amused by your behavior.

2. You're the one claiming that Obama's finished, all I'm doing is asking for your evidence.

3. Not really sure what the purpose of this thread is, if you're going to make unsubstantiated claims and then lash out at those wanting evidence and tell them to go dig it up.

 

[Marcus]

For what it's worth, here's his probable source:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-paper-trail-obamas-indonesian-background/

The entire argument rests on whether Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro. If not, then the entire conspiracy theory crashes to the ground.

But to Bryan, it's already a given that Obama was adopted:

His original Barack one and then his new Barry one when he was adopted and made an Indonesian citizen by Lolo Soetoro.

Of course the burden of proof is somehow on Obama to show that he wasn't adopted, which is impossible if he truly wasn't. These guys know that, which is why they just keep moving the bar. As for these demands for releasing an original birth certificate, they are equally dishonest, because as soon as it is, the "experts" will go to work trying to prove it's a fake, while if it isn't, they can claim it's a coverup. What a racket.

 

[MonsterMark]

1. I'm not angry. Actually, I'm a bit amused by your behavior.

Well why don't you get angry Mr Constitution upholder?

Why don't you defend the Constitution and require the presidential candidates to pass the very basic requirements to become Commander-In-Chief.

I won't hear one lib say they are offended at this breach of the Constitution because it suits their ideologicl mission. Hypocrites.

As for you David, I'm disappointed you have chosen to stay on the sidelines and support Paul and now Barr because it makes you feel good. Voting for the lesser of two evils is the only patriotic way to go. Sitting back and silently protesting is a sad way to let America slip into Barack's socialism, or as he calls it, 'economic fairness'.

I haven't posted close to a third of what I know (maybe suspect is a better word). Hillary's folks are getting fed all this info anyway and we'll see what she does with it at the convention, if anything. If nothing happens there, you'll see some 527s step up to plate if we can get the funding.

 

[fossten]

For what it's worth, here's his probable source:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-paper-trail-obamas-indonesian-background/

The entire argument rests on whether Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro. If not, then the entire conspiracy theory crashes to the ground.

But to Bryan, it's already a given that Obama was adopted:



Of course the burden of proof is somehow on Obama to show that he wasn't adopted, which is impossible if he truly wasn't. These guys know that, which is why they just keep moving the bar. As for these demands for releasing an original birth certificate, they are equally dishonest, because as soon as it is, the "experts" will go to work trying to prove it's a fake, while if it isn't, they can claim it's a coverup. What a racket.

Good points. And in the meantime, none of this will make the MSM airwaves, which is supposed to be the point, right?

So instead of focusing on issues, such as BarryO's Marxist positions, which would actually make an electoral difference, we have to play these silly Mancurian Candidate games? No thanks.

 

[MonsterMark]

These guys know that, which is why they just keep moving the bar. As for these demands for releasing an original birth certificate, they are equally dishonest, because as soon as it is, the "experts" will go to work trying to prove it's a fake, while if it isn't, they can claim it's a coverup.

What a joke! Produce the G'damn authenticated certificate with matching serial number and this all goes away.

As a liberal, you should be offended Obama has chosen to use a blanked out certificate with a border no one else has been able to produce.

Put it up and we'll all shut up.

And yes, the guy on Texas-Darlin is on to something that has been batted around for over a month now. His twist is Article II that talks about 'divided loyalities'. Whether the case gets to the Supreme Court is probably asking too much at this time.

All I want is for Obama to produce his birth certificate. The only way we can make that happen is to keep digging and making outlandish claims that someday they will have to answer. Trust me, once the media starts dripping the story, they are all gonna jump on it, especially when the polls are looking as bad as they are for Obama at this junture. Dont' count Hillary out yet. She still has friends in the media and 18 million people that want to see the 1st female president.

 

[fossten]

Well why don't you get angry Mr Constitution upholder?

Why don't you defend the Constitution and require the presidential candidates to pass the very basic requirements to become Commander-In-Chief.

I won't hear one lib say they are offended at this breach of the Constitution because it suits their ideologicl mission. Hypocrites.

As for you David, I'm disappointed you have chosen to stay on the sidelines and support Paul and now Barr because it makes you feel good. Voting for the lesser of two evils is the only patriotic way to go. Sitting back and silently protesting is a sad way to let America slip into Barack's socialism, or as he calls it, 'economic fairness'.

I haven't posted close to a third of what I know (maybe suspect is a better word). Hillary's folks are getting fed all this info anyway and we'll see what she does with it at the convention, if anything. If nothing happens there, you'll see some 527s step up to plate if we can get the funding.

LOL at the ad hominem. First I'm angry, then I'm not angry but I'm still wrong.

Bryan, you really are losing your grip on your debating skills. To misquote Shakespeare: Methinks the Monster doth protest too much. Must have hit a nerve there.

Anyhoo, your 4th paragraph is an example of a red herring - distract from the issue being discussed, which is your apparent lack of intellectual integrity.

As far as "requiring" a presidential candidate to do something, how do you expect me to do that? I'm a voter, not a Federal judge. Don't worry, I won't vote for Obama, if that's what's got your panties in a bunch. In fact, if JMac picks Romney as VP and goes full bore on the drilling, I may vote for him anyway.

So go back to the drawing board and post something we can all believe instead of a bunch of conspiracy theories. Don't become a truther wannabe.

 

[fossten]

What a joke! Produce the G'damn authenticated certificate with matching serial number and this all goes away.

As a liberal, you should be offended Obama has chosen to use a blanked out certificate with a border no one else has been able to produce.

Put it up and we'll all shut up.

And yes, the guy on Texas-Darlin is on to something that has been batted around for over a month now. His twist is Article II that talks about 'divided loyalities'. Whether the case gets to the Supreme Court is probably asking too much at this time.

All I want is for Obama to produce his birth certificate. The only way we can make that happen is to keep digging and making outlandish claims that someday they will have to answer. Trust me, once the media starts dripping the story, they are all gonna jump on it, especially when the polls are looking as bad as they are for Obama at this junture. Dont' count Hillary out yet. She still has friends in the media and 18 million people that want to see the 1st female president.

And who's going to MAKE Obama produce his COLB? You? Who the hell are you will be his response.

Hillary won't do it without an absolute ironclad smoking gun, because if she does she'll look like Perot in 1996.

Without the help of the media, which has abandoned all objectivity in favor of becoming Obama groupies, you can accomplish little with this angle of attack.

 

[MonsterMark]

you can accomplish little with this angle of attack.

B.S.

Are you willing to come up to Chicago for a rally if I can get a group of people together to protest in front of the Obama campaign headquarters?

Any of you other guys willing to stick your necks out to protect the Constitution?

We'll see who chimes in. My guess. No one. Sheeple.

 

[fossten]

B.S.

Are you willing to come up to Chicago for a rally if I can get a group of people together to protest in front of the Obama campaign headquarters?

Any of you other guys willing to stick your necks out to protect the Constitution?

We'll see who chimes in. My guess. No one. Sheeple.

Honestly, I would, but I have sworn never to set foot in that anti-gun bastion of socialism and tyranny. Besides, I'd have to unholster my Glock to get out of the car, and that just ain't happening.

So Bryan, are you going to be famous for becoming the guy who cracked Barack Obama? My guess. No evidence. Truther wacko.

 

[MonsterMark]

So Bryan, are you going to be famous for becoming the guy who cracked Barack Obama? My guess. No evidence. Truther wacko.

LMAO!

I'm gonna be the guy that defends the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Truther wacko... Sticks and stones my friend.

No evidence.:shifty: Stick your head back in the sand.

Why are they hiding the Certification number?

I'm a Thruther? You make me laugh dude. Seriously.

In 5 seconds this could be over. All he has to do is provide the front and back copies without the blackout.

I guess that is too much to ask from a constitutionalist like yourself. No wonder you became a Paulie.

 

[MonsterMark]

Honestly, I would,

No honestly you wouldn't. Don't be ashamed. You are like millions of other sheeple in this country going thru life completely oblivious or not wanting to get involved. You fit right in. Nice and snug. No sense in upsetting the apple cart. No sense in sticking your neck on the line. It is much safer with your head in the sand. I completely understand.

 

[fossten]

No honestly you wouldn't. Don't be ashamed. You are like millions of other sheeple in this country going thru life completely oblivious or not wanting to get involved. You fit right in. Nice and snug. No sense in upsetting the apple cart. No sense in sticking your neck on the line. It is much safer with your head in the sand. I completely understand.

I'm not going to get involved in a crackpot scheme with no evidence backing it, yeah. But if you truly, really think I'm a sheeple after all that I've said and done on this forum, you're a blazing retard.

Oh, and you can knock off the condescension routine, I'm not impressed by it.

 

[Marcus]

Why are they hiding the Certification number?

What would the certification number prove? Wouldn't you need something to compare it to as a reference? Do you even know what its purpose is? And if the whole thing is a fake, why didn't the faker simply put something in the number to make it look legit? Most likely the person who scanned it didn't have a clue what it's for either and just blacked it out in case it turned out to be something an identity thief could use.

You know, while this does remind me of the 911 truther BS, what rings an even bigger bell is the uproar over Bush's national guard records. There was, and still is, plenty of circumstantial evidence suggesting that the records had been "cleaned" prior to his campaign in 1999. Not to mention the allegations of cocaine use. Yet all it took to bury the story for all time was Dan Rather's incompetent and premature release of forged documents. Several careers were ruined, and no one ever questioned Bush's record again for fear of being ridiculed.

Do you see any lessons here?

 

[MonsterMark]

1st rule of the courtroom. Don't ask a question you don't know the answer to.

What would the certification number prove? .

It would prove if it was a valid number in the first place for starters.

Wouldn't you need something to compare it to as a reference?

That's the idea sherlock. We could compare the number to ascertain where he was born and what year.

Do you even know what its purpose is? .

Yes I do. Partly... It is a 13 digit number that looks as follows: xxx xxxx-xxxxxx

The 1st 3 digits on the certification number indicate the City, Town, or location of Birth. Obamas' would read 151 xxxx-xxxxxx if he was born in Honolulu as he claims on his COLB.

The next 4 digits would indicate year of birth... Obamas would read 151 1961-xxxxxx

The last 6 digits probably reference the order of birth during the year.

Good enough for you!

And if the whole thing is a fake, why didn't the faker simply put something in the number to make it look legit? .

Because then I could go back and find the people that preceded and followed his number sequence which would provide proof of when they were born and compare that to Obama's fake number.

Most likely the person who scanned it didn't have a clue what it's for either and just blacked it out in case it turned out to be something an identity thief could use.

That would be a plausible explanation if you were blind.

Are we really expected to believe Obama, the most popular person in the world, is afraid of identity theft?

Keep it up. I need to chuckle. Laughs are good.

He's hiding the number because he is hiding the truth. Open Your Eyes!

 

[fossten]

It's not that I don't believe you, Bryan. It's that the majority of Americans won't believe it unless you give them a smoking gun. The media certainly won't help you. So what if you can prove it? What are you going to do with that proof? Convince me not to vote for Obama? You're wasting your time.