Lincoln Vs. Cadillac: LS Vs. STS

[Gothicaleigh]

2004 Lincoln LS V6
3.0L
232hp @ 6750 rpm
Max torque 220 @ 4500 rpm
0-60: 7.8
1/4 mile: 16.0 @ 88.6 mph

2005 Cadillac STS V6
3.6L DOHC V6 w/VVT
255hp @ 6500 rpm
Max torque 252 @ 3200 rpm
0-60: 6.6

2004 Lincoln LS V8
3.9L DOHC V8
280hp @ 6000 rpm
Max torque 286 @ 4000 rpm
0-60: 6.8
1/4 mile: 15.02 @ 92.8
60-0 Braking: 128 ft.
Slalom: 60.9 mph

2005 Cadillac STS Northstar
4.6L DOHC Northstar V8 w/VVT
320hp @ 6400 rpm
Max torque 315 @ 4400 rpm
0-60: 5.8
1/4 mile: 14.2 @ 97.5 mph

2006 Cadillac STS-V
4.6L DOHC Supercharged Northstar V8 w/VVT
430hp
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7134
Confirmed at press conference with Mark LaNeve.
Also planned for later release is a V10 and V12 Northstar.


:smilies-3

 

[JoshMcMadMac]

So the 05 STS will run very low 14's? I'm impressed.

 

[GrayGhost1]

The STS might have more HP and torque but it weighs more than the LS and it doesn't have near 50/50 weight distribution. I'd say get those two cars on an AutoCross course and the Caddy will in the dirt. I'd much rather have handling performance with very adequate HP and torque.

 

[Gothicaleigh]

Weight and Distributions
2005 STS AWD Northstar - 3,921 lbs. - 54-46
2004 Lincoln LS RWD V6 - 3,720 lbs. - 52/48
2004 Lincoln LS RWD V8 Ultimate - 3811 - 53/47


It's not as bad as you make it out to be...

 

[GrayGhost1]

110 lbs is all the difference in the world when your talking about body roll.

 

[codewize]

Ok I'm on the third thread of the battle. and Caddi is ahead 3 - 0

:invasion:

 

[Lincolnman]

OK.OK. THE NEW cadillacs ARE FAST, AND THERE ARE A MILLION MODELS. bUT THEY STILL LOOK LIKE SNOWPLOWS WITH NICE WHEELS :givemebee

 

[GrayGhost1]

OK.OK. THE NEW cadillacs ARE FAST, AND THERE ARE A MILLION MODELS. bUT THEY STILL LOOK LIKE SNOWPLOWS WITH NICE WHEELS :givemebee

Snowplows!?! Hilarious! :Beer

 

[codewize]

Funny you should say that. A little off topic but funny thing. I had a 67' Camaro with a worked 327ci. It dyno'ed at 357hp at the axels. After retiring the car, my buddy took the engine for his plow truck.

Let me tell you, there is no problem moving snow.

However I don't think any of the Caddi's look like snow plows.

 

[JoshMcMadMac]

However I don't think any of the Caddi's look like snow plows.

I agree. It looks more like the "cow-catcher" look of the old steam engines to me. But that's not even the case with the STS.

 

[Gothicaleigh]

The first road test is in.
From August 2004 C&D:

'05 STS RWD 320hp 315lb. ft. torque Northstar

0-30: 2.3
0-40: 3.3
0-50: 4.6
0-60: 6.0
0-100: 15.7

1/4 mile: 14.6 @ 97mph
Top Speed: 154 mph

Braking, 70-0 mph: 177ft.
300 ft. skidpad: .86g

 

[Gothicaleigh]

My favorite bits:

'Disable the traction control, summon some minor brake torque, and you can paint 10 feet of rubber stripes.'

'Sixty mph arrives in six seconds flat, same as what a 745i can manage.
Course the BMW goes on to eat the quarter-mile in 14.6 seconds at 97 mph.
Woah! Same as the STS.
What the Cadillac does that the $69,195 BMW doesn't is achieve a top speed of 154 mph. Moreover, Cadillac has calibrated the traction control to allow you to bark the tires at step-off without imposing Big Brother's mechanical hand of moderation. Nice.'

'Fact is, the previous STS was never really a performance car. It was a luxury sedan that simply didn't embarrass itself in the hills. This new STS, in contrast, is barking at the city limits of hot-rod-dom, notably in it's edgy ride, booming acceleration, and tenacious handling.'

'For decades, Cadillac seemed content to stay a step ahead of Lincoln. Now, with the STS -and the SRX before it- you really DO get the feeling the division is serious about competing with foreign luxury brands. When our test car arrived, chief engineer Jim Frederico pointed proudly at panel gaps that have been narrowed to three millimeters from the old car's five. Then he pointed to the top of the door frames, which blend almost invisibly into the roof in a costly "Dutch hem" design. "Let's see Mercedes match THAT," he said.
When's the last time you heard a Lincoln guy say that?'

 

[JoshMcMadMac]

It is appealing. And C&D obviously enjoyed it. That's quite a complimentary write-up.

 

[Gothicaleigh]

This fall when I pay off my CTS, I was going to get a CTS-V.
From what I have read about the STS though, I'm definately going to have to give it a look before deciding though... It's that good.