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THIS is why I Love the LS, and its the only Lincoln I can ever love!

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=42639


If I had the finances, I would so what SPSully wanted to do. These guys are genius's. Just read this stuff, and you would too dream about doing this to your LS's ...

OK so its no secret to ILLS that I plan on working off of his turbo build. This thread is based off my ideas and the knowledge that a few of the members of this site have. It is a means to get a ILLS, Cammerfe, myself and who ever else has some good hard info and or ideas to communicate and figure out how to make what I believe will be the pinnacle of LS performance. The key here is to maintain the drivability of the car. All modifications will be made with lots of planning prior to and erring on the safe side then slowly adding to it from there. I also plan on keeping this car a sleeper and show ready through out the build.

Here is what I have decided after much research in various places (Rob our convos count HUGELY towards this research... thanks a million! I will keep some of the info secret for your business' sake)

1. The LS can with minor modification be made to support a newer mustang standard transmission, and from there any transmission you want really.

2. With proper tuning and internals, the LS should easily be capable of 600rwhp based off of a turbo.

3. If one turbo spools 8psi easily, then 2 should spool 16 equally as fast. of course sizing needs to be taken into consideration.

What I am currently working on is a staged build of my 01V8 Sport.

Stage 1:
Nitrous. I have the kit and the tuner. I plan on Nitrousing it here soon. I'm working on the hiding of the kit itself. With 100 shot for starters, I plan on needing to work on traction. I will accomplish this with a 8.8" carrier. With the turbo(s) lurking in the near future, it would be pointless to replace the 8" with and 8.8 just to maintain the MAX gearing of 3.55. This stage will also yield a set of drag wheels with Mickey Thompson ET Street drag radials. At this point the car should be pulling low 13's - mid 12's. A custom cold air intake is being used to deliver the N2O to the throttle body. Fuel system mods for the turbo set up are being made to the car during this stage with proper tuning for larger than a 100 shot can be used at that point. May also do some minor drive train work to dig her out of the hole a little easier.

Stage 2:
So long Nitrous... HELLO TURBO!!! I'll be running a rear mount turbo similar to ILLS build. However with all the piping being designed by me and fabricated by me and who ever wants free beer that night, I expect there to be some differences in the overall lay out and hopefully the ground clearance. With the traction issues from the nitrous solved prior to turbo charging, she should take the new found power with the utmost of grace. I plan on using an electronic boost controller to control my boost level since I will only run 4-5 PSI on a daily basis and bump it up a bit for the track.

Stage 3:
This is where major upgrades come in to play. Billet internals to include rods, pistons, and crank will be installed and any honing of cylinder walls that is needed will be done. I may get a spare block to work on for easier access to the block. The end goal is having a bottom end that will be able to withstand 15-20 PSI. I doubt I'll ever get to a full 20, but the need for strength is fueled by my love for this car and not wanting to pop the motor like a zit. I will need to upgrade further my fuel system to handle the increase of boost, and as always retune accordingly. Using come rough rule of thumb math 16 psi should yield about 300-320rwhp over stock so about 500-550.

The 6spd is going to involve some modification and possibly effect the piping of the turbo, so the odds are that the 6spd will be added during the Stage 3 changes while the motor is out of the car .

Stage 4:
This is definitely an R&D stage for the build. I'll be adding in a second turbo and re-piping the entire thing for the utmost of efficiency. With two turbos and still only so much exhaust to power them, the proper sizing will be needed. The only gain from this stage is slightly faster spooling and the prestige of saying I have a TT LS. At 16psi she will be too fast for the track anyway, so from here on out, its a matter of safely building the car I want. It is very likely the piping will all be changed out for stainless at this point since its the final piping. The longevity of the stainless as well as the ability to polish and show it off are what I'm going for here.

Stage 5:
This is the stage that is almost entirely for show since by now I'll need a roll cage to be legal at the track and with a four door and a luxury car, that isn't going happen. This will be the reintroduction of the Nitrous. I'm not exactly sure how yet. It is possible that I'll blow some nitrous across the intercooler and call it a day. Wont see huge gains from it, but it will be their and like I said it will pretty much just be fore show at this point. There is a mild chance that someone will want to challenge me while on the highway, but with roughly 600rwhp, 6 speeds and all of it ready at the push of the pedal I doubt the nitrous will be needed even then.

And then THIS:

These chassis are 350% more torsionally rigid than the old SN-95 Mustang frames. They can take a good amount of power before twisting. Allot of later model cars have much better frames that can take some serious power before needing stiffening.

The rear end is not a dead end. If need be once he moves up in power he can always do a 31 spline center IRS section along with some custom CV shafts from someone like The Driveshaft Shop. The stocker hubs will withstand the power, especially on a turbo vehicle unless he is really launching that thing off the line. the hubs are one of the last items to upgrade due to the CV shafts usually being the weakest link even in upgraded form. The IRS frame itself will take the power no problem. There are MUCH weaker links that get stressed much more than the IRS frame itself.

Good feedback though. Allot of the items you mention do still play a factor in high horsepower cars.

Damn its a TON of work.. and that's an understatement. But one can dream of doing this... *sigh* someday :D
 
I just talked to SPSully last week. Wonder if he still has the LS.
 
I just talked to SPSully last week. Wonder if he still has the LS.

What!! Hes not replying to my emails >_> that son of a !! LOL He tuned my LS
And btw, Last I saw him 2 months ago, and he was fixing a few things on it. I believe yes he still has it.
 
My LS is not sexy enuf for you fella? j/k

Oh its sexy! Love the exhaust tips, and the LSE skirts. But its not SPsully's Black LS. And once you go black, you neva go back! :p

But seriously. Am considering the TT build. Can it be done for 10 grand or less? Or we talking much more than that? I mean, its not just the Turbos, but the custom work, being able to get the car to handle that much power. He mentioned 600Rwhp.
 
Can it be done for 10 grand or less?

sure it can, it can be turbo'd for a little over half of that, going from one big snail to two smaller snails wont really make the price too much higher. BUT its getting everything else to handle that kind of power that is going to be the expensive part. also if your looking for that kind of power, its going to be better off with one properly sized turbo.
 
Going to be expensive. Even Our injectors (air assisted) are retarded. No upgraded ones available afaik. New intake manifold might solve that, but that's more money again. Gotta be able to supply enough fuel for the power.

I'd say its going to be a very expensive project if you hire everything out.
 
if you want 600hp go buy a car designed as such. auto companies shell out millions in R&D to get engineers to build a 600hp car. not sure why ppl think they can just go buy a kit and make one in their backyard. if someones makes an LS with such hp, i guarantee it requires significant rebuilding after 30k miles, if not less, unless they are a skilled engineer themself and put a ton of time into it... and thats not really worth it when you consider this is a 7 yr old sedan...
 
Don't know why you'd think that. It doesn't take an engineer to add a few hundred HP to a car and beef up the rest of the car to handle it. 600HP isn't that hard to get, and the LS can handle the power. The rear pumpkin would need an upgrade, and the axles would likely need upgrading. I'm not familiar with the driveshaft, so I don't know what it would need to take it. The hard part would be finding a competent transmission builder. The car's structure and suspension would have no problems holding the power.
 
^^^

Thats what I understand. Sully was saying it can handle the TT no problem. To my knowledge I don't think he planned on modifying the Transmission. HE talked about installing a tranny cooler, that's for sure. But that's also when he was installing a more torque geared stall converter.

On his TT build he was saying he kept the rear diff and axles. His diff has a locker. But I think he wanted to try the TT build with a lot of these major parts still stock. And, that's the question at hand. Can it be done? Or would the LS rip itself apart on the rear end with 600RWHP?

Unfortunately he never did the TT build. So there is no leadership in this advanced Build or anyone to copy off of, or to help us out. So I would be wise 'not to try this at home' I guess ..
 
not sure why ppl think they can just go buy a kit and make one in their backyard.

probably because people build cars that powerful every day. not to mention, its usually way cheaper to build a 600 hp car, than it is too buy one from the factory.

in the past year or two i have driven a few 600hp vehicles, none of which came from the factory like that.
 
if you want 600hp go buy a car designed as such. auto companies shell out millions in R&D to get engineers to build a 600hp car. not sure why ppl think they can just go buy a kit and make one in their backyard. if someones makes an LS with such hp, i guarantee it requires significant rebuilding after 30k miles, if not less, unless they are a skilled engineer themself and put a ton of time into it... and thats not really worth it when you consider this is a 7 yr old sedan...

I agree that you can't just buy a kit and expect those levels without knowledge and a good set of parts and tuning and know how there are many without engineering degrees who have....many.

Also, without these DIY'rs all high performance aftermarket and ALL the companies that build parts for such feats are out of a job if it were not for enthusiasts who build cars for themselves and others. That is part of the fun!

7 years old?? Well, then forget building all of the great muscle cars that are 40 plus years old that also were not engineered for such levels. The age of the platform is irrelative if it's in good shape and can be built as well...
 
i wasnt saying its garbage bc its 7 yrs old, youve got me wrong. it is a 7 yr old basic sedan... its not a classic car that is going to be worth something with 600hp. LS is not an old continental and it never will be.

so back to my point: putting 600hp in it will not be easy, it will be expensive and time consuming, the car will not be worth what you have in it if you actually achieve 600hp, and it will not last for much more ~30k miles without rebuilding unless someone does an immaculate job with it, which is doubtful. so imo it doesnt even make sense to do this in an LS. i think you should go buy your hp, as it will last longer, be worth more in the event you need to sell, and not consume as much time. most cars that come with 600hp are quite collectible as well. my 2cent.
 
New movie Identity Theft

I rented my 01V6 blue to the movie company for a parking lot scene, you may see it in the movie. The main characters are at a restaurant/hotel scene walking around the parking lot, my car may be seen at several angles.
 
i wasnt saying its garbage bc its 7 yrs old, youve got me wrong. it is a 7 yr old basic sedan... its not a classic car that is going to be worth something with 600hp. LS is not an old continental and it never will be.

so back to my point: putting 600hp in it will not be easy, it will be expensive and time consuming, the car will not be worth what you have in it if you actually achieve 600hp, and it will not last for much more ~30k miles without rebuilding unless someone does an immaculate job with it, which is doubtful. so imo it doesnt even make sense to do this in an LS. i think you should go buy your hp, as it will last longer, be worth more in the event you need to sell, and not consume as much time. most cars that come with 600hp are quite collectible as well. my 2cent.

I hear you and don't think that you think the car is garbage, I didn't imply that at all. Probably 95% of all cars modded to that level will never have that value on sale. It's up to each individual owner to decide whether it is worth it or not.
 

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