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off the line these things have nothing! what are the best ways to get more low end torque?

chip? exhaust? cams? head work?

just lookin for some ideas.
mild to wild.
2.3sec 60 footers suck.

ive got a 97 lsc with no mods now. planning on chip, k&n with ice box and transgo shift kit in the near future.
 
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Agreed, 100%. The 2v in my Grand Marquis got off the line faster. I think the first thing most people will suggest is gears, either 3.73s or 4.10s depending on how much you drive on the freeway. With these you may need a new driveshaft though.
 
RedHotMark96 said:
Agreed, 100%. The 2v in my Grand Marquis got off the line faster. I think the first thing most people will suggest is gears, either 3.73s or 4.10s depending on how much you drive on the freeway. With these you may need a new driveshaft though.
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but you really dont gain anything..... number wise. id like to keep the rpms the same just get off the line quicker.
 
Gears.....4.30's.
High Stall if you really want to launch.

OR, I'd pick up a 1.5L KenneBell for the 'b' heads, which is a red-headed stepchild really cheap.
 
Why not gears? The car has torque but the gears is what kills it. Exhaust, chip, any cold air kit you want will not come close to what a set of 4.10s will do. If you don't want gears then a supercharger and tune will get you some more low end. Id skip the transgo shift kit and do a Jerry Mod for the transmission http://www.tccoa.com/articles/tranny/index.html
 
crownvicjim said:
NO GEARS PLEASE.


i want torque, not to multiply what i already have.
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Why not? You'd rather spend far more than a few hundred to get better short times? Gears (4.30 for a mod motor in a heavy VIII), trac-lok diff and an aluminum driveshaft and you'll be tearin' outta the hole. Throw in a higher stall converter and you better have a decent budget for tires. :D
 
crownvicjim said:
off the line these things have nothing! what are the best ways to get more low end torque?

chip? exhaust? cams? head work?

just lookin for some ideas.
mild to wild.
2.3sec 60 footers suck.

ive got a 97 lsc with no mods now. planning on chip, k&n with ice box and transgo shift kit in the near future.
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I know what your talking about , I think I'm the only one who sold his 93 Mark to get a town car. but I still have my wife 94 so I'm not that backwards.

but the 1 time I let my wife (who drives 94 Mark) Drive My Town Car she launched it big time.
Then she ask why the town car was faster??

cheapest way I think is get a tune / or a hypertech tuner so you can f-with shift pressure .

A lot close races are won by Trans.
 
MonsterMark said:
Gears.....4.30's.
High Stall if you really want to launch.

OR, I'd pick up a 1.5L KenneBell for the 'b' heads, which is a red-headed stepchild really cheap.
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Is the supercharger that the marks need? I couldn't find it on there website. I am trying to get a price comparison between buying a sc and upgrading the tranny in my mark or just buying a wrecked cobra drivetrain.
 
So you want to improve your low end grunt, but you don't want to do the cheapest easiest thing to improve it?
 
lsc8 said:
Is the supercharger that the marks need? I couldn't find it on there website. I am trying to get a price comparison between buying a sc and upgrading the tranny in my mark or just buying a wrecked cobra drivetrain.
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96-98 Cobra is the kit you'd look for to find an sc that will work with our heads.
 
When I got my exhaust done, it makes a bit of a difference on the low end, but really not much.

How does a tune help in the low end?
 
The KB kit is now 2.1L, and I think the cheapest kit KB sells :D
It is non-intercooled, but for close to 375-400 hp once tuned right, you can't go wrong with a 2.1L, it would be great fun for the street ;)
 
Icarus said:
The KB kit is now 2.1L, and I think the cheapest kit KB sells :D
It is non-intercooled, but for close to 375-400 hp once tuned right, you can't go wrong with a 2.1L, it would be great fun for the street ;)
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Every once and a while you can find a 1.5L Kenne Bell really cheap.

A new one (2.1L) sets you back $3799.
 
Don't fear the gear. Heres Walt's Mark N/A 3.73 geared car, 3500 stall, all bolt ons and 13.70's. Daily driven 18.5/28.0 mpg.

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Here my car N/A 4.10 gears, 3500 stall, all bolt on's and 13.40's. Daily driven 17.5/27 mpg.

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The highway isn't a problem either, even gets good mpg at these speeds.

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crownvicjim said:
but you really dont gain anything..... number wise. id like to keep the rpms the same just get off the line quicker.
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um, sorry .dont want to sound sarcastic,but exactly what do think changing gears will do??

raise rpm's and nothing else?

3.73- 4.10's will make your car feel like you took 500lbs off of it.

ever notice how much better a car accelerates in a lower gear than a higher one? like 2nd gear instead of 3rd...


3.07-3.27 factory gears are so high for the weight of these cars,

even cars with the new Hemis and all there torque now have much lower gears nowadays,they rely on deeper overdrives and 6 speed trans to make up for it,i think i saw somewhere the srt-8(420hp) turns something like 2400 rpm's at 60mph,

look where the mark runs at 60 stock... 1500rpm's.

Gears rule for the $$$

and what does "i dont want to multiply what i already have "mean??

of course you want to multiply it silly.


ok ,sorry i am done, no offense, just rethink your thinking ,you might be pleasantly surprised.
 
I thought c heads and 03 cobra cams got you some low end back. 24.7 mpg at 140+. thats insane. What that mark top out at?
 
ground_zero298 said:
I thought c heads and 03 cobra cams got you some low end back. 24.7 mpg at 140+. thats insane. What that mark top out at?
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You start dinking with buying used heads and swapping out cams, etc. on a 4V and you are spending some coin for very little gain. Porting intake/exhaust would help more.

If you're gonna tease yur girl, you better please her also or she'll find someone else who can, if you know what I mean.

4.10's/4.30's is like taking 500 lbs off like Moes8 said or I might add even more. Just PM "Driller". He'll give you the low down.

And I'll add that 'B' heads and 'C' heads flow pretty much the same stock.
 
DO not fear the gear!
373's for the last 200K and i wish I had gone with 410's!
 
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