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I wonder how many more of these guys were spawned by the BuSh administration? We've already seen some early results last week in London.

Posted on Mon, Jul. 18, 2005

Lyons

Rudolph

Victims to confront bomber in court

By Jay Reeves

Associated Press

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – Emily Lyons, critically injured in a 1998 blast outside a Birmingham abortion clinic, has a message for confessed bomber Eric Rudolph: His crimes only made her stronger.

“You did not shut the clinic down. You did not shut me down,” said Lyons, who planned to testify today at Rudolph’s sentencing to the first of four life terms for deadly bombings in Birmingham and Atlanta.

Rudolph, who remained defiant when he admitted setting the bombs and has discussed his reasons for the blasts only in written statements, will have his own chance to speak at today’s sentencing. Defense lawyers didn’t return calls seeking comment on whether Rudolph did plan to speak.

He also faces sentencing later in Atlanta.

Rudolph, 38, pleaded guilty in April to setting off a remote-controlled bomb that maimed Lyons, a nurse, and killed police officer Robert “Sande” Sanderson outside the New Woman All Women clinic on the morning of Jan. 29, 1998.

Sanderson’s wife and son also could make statements at the hearing today.

Under a plea agreement that let Rudolph avoid a possible death penalty, Rudolph confessed to the Alabama bombing and to the bombing at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics that killed one woman and injured more than 100.

He also admitted setting off bombs at an abortion clinic and gay bar in Atlanta in 1997.

He was captured in May 2003 after more than five years as a fugitive in the mountains of western North Carolina.

Under the agreement, federal judges in Birmingham and Atlanta will sentence him to four life terms without parole.

Rudolph’s sentencing in Georgia is set for Aug. 22, and victims of the Atlanta bombings will have a chance to speak then.

In a statement distributed after his guilty pleas, Rudolph portrayed himself as a devout Christian and said the bombings were motivated by his hatred of abortion and a federal government that lets it continue.

“The fact that I have entered an agreement with the government is purely a tactical choice on my part and in no way legitimates the moral authority of the government to judge this matter or to impute guilt,” Rudolph said in the statement.

Lyons was wounded by flying nails and other pieces of shrapnel in the bombing. She has undergone 21 operations, lost her left eye and has visible scars on her arms and legs. She is no longer physically able to work.

Face to face with Rudolph in court, Lyons hopes to get some glimmer of feedback from Rudolph, who rarely betrays any emotion in public.

“I want to see if it registers with him, or to see if it’s just more of that blank look,” Lyons said in an interview in her suburban home last week.

She also planned to release her book about the bombing today, her 49th birthday. In the self-published book she co-wrote with husband Jeff Lyons, titled “Life’s Been a Blast,” Lyons describes how she is moving on now that Rudolph is bound for life behind bars with no chance for parole.

The book concludes: “Our new life started out with a bang, and we intend to make the best of it. We are going to laugh, see movies, dine out, raise grandchildren and watch sunsets instead of fading into them. We will stand tall, and we will be smiling.”


When self-rightous "christianity" goes bad.

Terrorism. Its not just for muslims anymore.
 
so two wrongs make a right? what exactly is your point?
I have read the Quran and the Bible, so this post does not fool me at all!

to all:
the difference here is that the foundation for christianity (Jesus - the new testament) does not advocate terrorism but peace.
Islam on the other hand is very different. The foundation for islam (Muhammed - the quran) advocates terrorism in its numerous passages which tell muslims to lie to, cheat, and kill all non-muslims. Muhammed waged six very bloody religious wars before he died, but Christ died for us and then rose from the dead! Muslims (who are commanded to lie to us) claim that they do not support the actions of islamic terrorism... just as Christians claim that they do not support the actions of abortion clinic bombers. The difference here is that by bombing abortion clinics, the terrorists are acting in defiance of their Christian religion of peace, therefore you can not blame the religion or the followers of it for such acts of terrorism. BUT, you can and must blame Islam for religious terrorism because the quran directly commands it, regardless if muslims claim it does not.... they will naturally claim that their religion is that of peace because their religion commands them to not share their "truth" with infidels.

In short, the Bible (new testament) commands us to show peace, love, truth, kindness, etc. to ALL people. The quran commands its followers to lie to, cheat, and kill ALL who are not of the muslim faith. But hey, don't just take my word for it... find out for yourself and actually read the two books (if you have the guts to really know the truth for yourself) and you will see that the two are very different where one is quite good and the other is quite twisted and evil; a counterfeit religion.

I'm willing to bet that 99% of all liberals in America and The Commonwealth who defend Islam as a peacful religion worthy of our respect have never actually read the quran but just take muslims word for it that it advocates peace to all; this is a lie -- it certainly does not. It was created by Muhammed to first subject Arabs and then the whole world to fall under political rule by radical war mongers through counterfeit religion. And it is working. Any muslim who says otherwise is either lying or doesn't really fully understand their Quran themselves. Islamic terrorists are actually the most commited to following the commandments of their diety to its fullest, while violent so called "christians" are not acting like Christians at all; they are acting much more like muslims.
If Hitler were alive today and made Nazi-ism a "religion of peace", would liberals respect it's values? probably, as long as it is not Christian. And then if Hitler killed 6 million Jews in the name of his religion, what then? Because, Islam will not dis-continue terrorism until all "infidels" are eliminated. And liberals will not be convinced that there is a serious problem within the Quran until it is too late. So defend Islam if you want and even try to compare it to Christianity, but shame on you for being so foolish!

If you want to try to compare Islam to Christianity, you had better get your facts straight.
 
Talk about comparing apples to watermelons! Somehow there is a connection between a religious zealot bombing an abortion clinic over abortion rights and a Muslim extremists bombing people over religious issues? The only thing in common is that they are both using bombs but they are both doing it for completely different reasons, so I just don't get it.:Bang
 
I'm not picking a fight but could you please post some links or articles on the subject. I probably won't read the Quran nor will I pick up the Bible again so I'd like the Muslims for Dummies synopsys.

I am curious what your experiences are that led you to this conclusion?
 
I'm glad I'm not a Muslim woman. Worth half of a man? I'd like to see some more material since that site has a clearly Christian view point. It certainly upheld Groovin8's contentions.

I was disturbed by the icon they used to denote things they found laughable. I thought that was disrespectful. I was taught to be respectful to all religions.
 
barry2952 said:
I'm not picking a fight but could you please post some links or articles on the subject. I probably won't read the Quran nor will I pick up the Bible again so I'd like the Muslims for Dummies synopsys.

I am curious what your experiences are that led you to this conclusion?
I read the Quran! heh heh... simple!

No prob barry :) ummm actually if you google the quran you can find many websites that have put the english version online for ya to read. I have been told by an indian and an arab that the original Arabic version of the Quran uses even stronger language and commands harsher actions against "infidels" then the english version does. I have been told that the Quran was "watered down" in translation so that the "west" will more readily accept it. Even as it has been watered down, the english version does still plainly show these rediculous commandments of hate and violence towards Christians and Jews (yes it mentions Christians and Jews specifically). I wonder how much worse the arabic version is. And I find it interesting that while the Quran considers any non-muslim an "infidel", it singles out Christians and Jews as the most threatening. Now I know that some would say it is because of the wars waged in the name of Christianity or Judaism, and while I don't disagree that war has been wrongly waged in the name of Christianity (ex. Roman Catholicism), I think there is a far more logical yet seemingly elusive reason that Islam considers Christianity and Judaism a threat - They are the true religions!! The only way to expose a counterfeit is to realize the REAL DEAL. The "God" of Judaism and Christianity is the real creator -- the real deal (that's my theory, but don't take my word for it), while the "god" of Islam, Allah, is not the same "God" of Judaism and Christianity. It is a false religion, and Allah is a false god. Islam claims their "god", Allah, is the same "God" of the christians and jews, the God of the Old Testament and The New Testament. Islam claims that they believe that the old and new testaments are the first two books of the bible and that the quran is the "third" and final chapter. Islam claims that jesus was a prophet but not a messiah. Islam claims that Moses prophesy of the coming of Christ was really meant to be interperated as the coming of Muhammed. According to Islam, the true messiah was Muhammed, and he came not to offer peace, like Christ did, but muhammed came to wage war, a religious cleansing where only true muslims should be allowed to live. Incidentally, the 10 commandments given to Moses, say to not lie, cheat, steal, or murder against anyone.... Muhammed changed this by saying it is ok to lie, cheat, steal, and murder against "infidels"... in order to justify waging war. So while Islam claims to be very similar to Christianity and Judaism in efforts to seem credible, it also contradicts Judaism and Christianity in order to justify war. Anyhow, this is just one proof that Islam has serious problems as a "true" religion. In addition to the Quran being available to read in the un edited original english version online, there are also studies online to point out the vast problems that expose it as a contradictory and counterfeit religion. Why do the muslims not see these contradictions? The first rule of Islam... DO NOT QUESTION! We all know how crazy cult followers can be, like Jim Jones koolaid drinkers and Heaven's Gaters who commited suicide to be saved by a comet, lol! Islam is a cult as well and became very popular because of the supression of education. Most muslims can not even read their Quran!!!! Now the cult has spread millions of followers, and it's no wonder the world thinks its a serious religion just by evidence of sheer numbers! But the black and white truth in the quran is that muslims wage war on non muslims in the name of Allah. And because this cult has so many followers, we assume it must be a serious and peaceful religion, so we close our eyes to it and get bombed for being Christian and Jewish.

Sorry, i rant, i just have a real problem with the news these days interviewing muslims who claim their religion is peaceful without ever daring to actually expose their Quran and proving 100% that it is not. And I'll tell you why I think the world is afraid to "disrespect" Islam..... OIL! plain and simple.
 
barry2952 said:
I'm glad I'm not a Muslim woman. Worth half of a man? I'd like to see some more material since that site has a clearly Christian view point. It certainly upheld Groovin8's contentions.

I was disturbed by the icon they used to denote things they found laughable. I thought that was disrespectful. I was taught to be respectful to all religions.

It's actually an athiest point-of-view, but still...
 
barry2952 said:
I'm glad I'm not a Muslim woman. Worth half of a man? I'd like to see some more material since that site has a clearly Christian view point. It certainly upheld Groovin8's contentions.

I was disturbed by the icon they used to denote things they found laughable. I thought that was disrespectful. I was taught to be respectful to all religions.
I don't blame ya man... Im a big skeptic myself and i think that is healthy. I grew up in church and heard lots of bull.... Ya just gotta look at all the evidence and decide fer yourself... and that is an ongoing process until death, heh heh because lies are coming in from every angle and in everything is a thread of truth, and that truth is incontrovertable.... real truth does not change one bit, no matter what people believe. some people think faith is "i believe it, therefore it is true... cuz its true for me" well NO! hogwash! truth is truth whether you believe it or not, it dont change.
btw... i stole part of that phrase from Churchill: "Truth is incontrovertable; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it; but in the end, there it is".... something like that anyway.

and i know what ya mean about respecting all religions.... but some do become laughable. I mean, i am sure that the Heaven's Gate cult did not find their religion a laughing matter at all.... but suicide so a comet will take you to heaven? cmon!!! lol some things, when exposed to be silly, do become laughable. To me, Islam is not laughable, because it is probably the most clever, believable, and destructive counterfeit religion the world has ever seen.... and I take that very seriously. especially after it fueled the death of 3,000 new yorkers.
 
barry2952 said:
I'm not picking a fight but could you please post some links or articles on the subject. I probably won't read the Quran nor will I pick up the Bible again so I'd like the Muslims for Dummies synopsys.

I am curious what your experiences are that led you to this conclusion?

All you have to do is look at every nation where Islam is the chief religion. Any time the muslims get power in a nation they lock it down, freedom-wise. It's called a malevolent society, and you can look at most or all of the Arab nations and see how they treat citizens in general and women in particular to know that Islam, in practice, is a conquest-driven religion. In fact, if you read Mohammed, you see that his teachings encouraged conversions at the point of the sword. Anyone who is an unbeliever must be either converted or terminated. It is THE most intolerant religion being practiced today.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
I wonder how many more of these guys were spawned by the BuSh administration? We've already seen some early results last week in London.

Posted on Mon, Jul. 18, 2005

Lyons

Rudolph

Victims to confront bomber in court

By Jay Reeves

Associated Press

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – Emily Lyons, critically injured in a 1998 blast outside a Birmingham abortion clinic, has a message for confessed bomber Eric Rudolph: His crimes only made her stronger.

“You did not shut the clinic down. You did not shut me down,” said Lyons, who planned to testify today at Rudolph’s sentencing to the first of four life terms for deadly bombings in Birmingham and Atlanta.

Rudolph, who remained defiant when he admitted setting the bombs and has discussed his reasons for the blasts only in written statements, will have his own chance to speak at today’s sentencing. Defense lawyers didn’t return calls seeking comment on whether Rudolph did plan to speak.

He also faces sentencing later in Atlanta.

Rudolph, 38, pleaded guilty in April to setting off a remote-controlled bomb that maimed Lyons, a nurse, and killed police officer Robert “Sande” Sanderson outside the New Woman All Women clinic on the morning of Jan. 29, 1998.

Sanderson’s wife and son also could make statements at the hearing today.

Under a plea agreement that let Rudolph avoid a possible death penalty, Rudolph confessed to the Alabama bombing and to the bombing at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics that killed one woman and injured more than 100.

He also admitted setting off bombs at an abortion clinic and gay bar in Atlanta in 1997.

He was captured in May 2003 after more than five years as a fugitive in the mountains of western North Carolina.

Under the agreement, federal judges in Birmingham and Atlanta will sentence him to four life terms without parole.

Rudolph’s sentencing in Georgia is set for Aug. 22, and victims of the Atlanta bombings will have a chance to speak then.

In a statement distributed after his guilty pleas, Rudolph portrayed himself as a devout Christian and said the bombings were motivated by his hatred of abortion and a federal government that lets it continue.

“The fact that I have entered an agreement with the government is purely a tactical choice on my part and in no way legitimates the moral authority of the government to judge this matter or to impute guilt,” Rudolph said in the statement.

Lyons was wounded by flying nails and other pieces of shrapnel in the bombing. She has undergone 21 operations, lost her left eye and has visible scars on her arms and legs. She is no longer physically able to work.

Face to face with Rudolph in court, Lyons hopes to get some glimmer of feedback from Rudolph, who rarely betrays any emotion in public.

“I want to see if it registers with him, or to see if it’s just more of that blank look,” Lyons said in an interview in her suburban home last week.

She also planned to release her book about the bombing today, her 49th birthday. In the self-published book she co-wrote with husband Jeff Lyons, titled “Life’s Been a Blast,” Lyons describes how she is moving on now that Rudolph is bound for life behind bars with no chance for parole.

The book concludes: “Our new life started out with a bang, and we intend to make the best of it. We are going to laugh, see movies, dine out, raise grandchildren and watch sunsets instead of fading into them. We will stand tall, and we will be smiling.”


When self-rightous "christianity" goes bad.

Terrorism. Its not just for muslims anymore.

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say. Is your point that this abortion clinic bomber was spawned by Bush? Because that would be incorrect, seeing as he did all these crimes in the mid to late 90's, when Clinton was president.

Talk about comparing kumquats to cherries.
 
Clearly what he said is that he was wondering if the BuSh administration hadn't created some more homegrown terrorists. The operative word being "more". Nothing was said about BuSh creating Randolph. Clearly the war on terror had resulted in more terrrorist acts. You would have to be blind not to see that.
 
barry2952 said:
Clearly what he said is that he was wondering if the BuSh administration hadn't created some more homegrown terrorists. The operative word being "more". Nothing was said about BuSh creating Randolph. Clearly the war on terror had resulted in more terrrorist acts. You would have to be blind not to see that.

Why can't he speak for himself? Does he need someone else to stick up for him?

And by the way, you should take your own advice:

Barry said to me:

"Fossten,

When I'm addressing something to Bryan, please try to keep your nose out of it. "

Here's the link in case you forgot you said those words:

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=10316&highlight=polling
 
Clearly the war on terror had resulted in more terrrorist acts. You would have to be blind not to see that.
That may be, but Bush didn't start the war with the 3,000 New Yorkers deaths... Islamic terrorists did, and Muslims throughout the world rejoiced.

If Bush's administration has spawned more acts of terrorism by groups who want to end freedom and convert the world to the oppressive religion of Islam, does that make bush's administration bad? nahh, i say it means that bush's administration has the follow through to spread freedom by stamping out terrorism -- that's a good thing. it's only expected that the terrorists would make their last stand to fight against freedom, especially against a non-muslim (Christian) nation. Don't forget that Bush proclaimed his faith in Jesus Christ while running for president. I'm quite sure this infuriated the radical muslims, especially when Bush won the presidency. While i do not agree with some of Bush's moderate actions, I'm thankful that he is prepared to resolve the problem of terrorism,... whatever it takes. it's just expected that the terrorists come out of the woodwork to fight back. I would hope liberals and conservatives alike would be glad that we are fighting terrorism... and winning!!
 
Mankind is doomed to destroy itself, unless of course, good conquers evil.

Personally, unless we eliminate all current inventory of WMD's, we are on the slippery slope to destroying ourselves. For me, it is only a matter of time at this point. As a species, we have sucked up all the worlds resources. I think our time is coming unless mankind makes some dramatic changes in the way we treat each other.
 
fossten said:
Why can't he speak for himself? Does he need someone else to stick up for him?

And by the way, you should take your own advice:

Barry said to me:

"Fossten,

When I'm addressing something to Bryan, please try to keep your nose out of it. "

Here's the link in case you forgot you said those words:

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=10316&highlight=polling

Latest quote:

"No, you just seem to lack any level of civility. Please mind your own business. When I ask your opinion, you'll know it. Until then please try to refrain from commenting when I ask someone else a question."


I guess I should leave the forum and mind my own business since that's what I'm being asked to do.

Who is attacking whom here?
 
MonsterMark said:
Personally, unless we eliminate all current inventory of WMD's, we are on the slippery slope to destroying ourselves. For me, it is only a matter of time at this point. As a species, we have sucked up all the worlds resources. I think our time is coming unless mankind makes some dramatic changes in the way we treat each other.

Write this down, Bryan. I agree with you. :I

Of course, you could start making changes for the better as far as how we treat each other if you stopped buying Shrubs line of :bsflag:
 
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