HHO INSTALLATION!!! Almost 49MPG; V8

[ILLS]

is not displacing enough oxygen in the intake to warrant any tuning. It's not even enough to give a noticeable mileage increase.

Until you have tested this in person then you are just guessing. I will tell you from personal experience looking at datalogs of another persons vehicle that a HHO system does indeed affect the AFR's and makes them read more rich at part throttle. Now I do not trust many other peoples personal vehicle testing because not many practice repeatable methods but the fella who did the testing and those logs is very methodical with his MPG testing. I can assure you that the AFR's can and have been richened a noticeable amount with JUST the addition of one of those HHO devices. I decided to give the guy a little tuning advice for how to tune a vehicle with the outside introduction of additional fuel when doing closed loop runs. After the retuning the AFR's layed back down at their new stoich (by volume) calculated by AFR offset. MPG's were gained even after recalibration. Threads like this interest me but at the same time bore me as well. It is nice to see people in a heated debate about something but after repeat sessions of "research on google, post on LVC" stuff it gets old. Anyone can do an internet search and yield information, whether accurate or not, on whatever they want. You guys keep plugging the keyboard and crunching the numbers.

 

[NateRW21]

Nate the concepts are similar enough to have made a comparison like I did. As for your explanation of fusion and fission...well tell us something we don't know. You are stating the obvious with your explanation of how they both work. I would hope that anyone seriously discussing this stuff would have enough of an understanding of that.

The reason I wrote that is in response to the quote below:

You are also flawed in the thinking that you cannot break a molecule apart and make power and then reassemble something similar to it in another completely separate reaction and generate power also. Look at the basis for nuclear fission and then look at nuclear fusion...

 

[LEOV5]

This is all good reading and all , but it is getting very hard to continue. I remeber a guy back in the early 70's that developed a way to make the gasoline into more of a gas thana liquid. with that he made 6 cyl Dodge get over 75 mpg. Rumor has it that the oil company's made him an offer he could not refide. Maybe urban legand, I don't know. I think I will do some more research and get back to you guys.

 

[NateRW21]

Until you have tested this in person then you are just guessing. I will tell you from personal experience looking at datalogs of another persons vehicle that a HHO system does indeed affect the AFR's and makes them read more rich at part throttle. Now I do not trust many other peoples personal vehicle testing because not many practice repeatable methods but the fella who did the testing and those logs is very methodical with his MPG testing. I can assure you that the AFR's can and have been richened a noticeable amount with JUST the addition of one of those HHO devices. I decided to give the guy a little tuning advice for how to tune a vehicle with the outside introduction of additional fuel when doing closed loop runs. After the retuning the AFR's layed back down at their new stoich (by volume) calculated by AFR offset. MPG's were gained even after recalibration. Threads like this interest me but at the same time bore me as well. It is nice to see people in a heated debate about something but after repeat sessions of "research on google, post on LVC" stuff it gets old. Anyone can do an internet search and yield information, whether accurate or not, on whatever they want. You guys keep plugging the keyboard and crunching the numbers.

Well, I can tell you that the math are facts; it's pure science, and typically it's best case numbers; real life would be less.

As far as the effect on the tune from 0.074% of the intake charge being the product of HHO (less at higher RPMs, more at lower); that was simply common sense speculation. If you say you've seen it change the A/F ratios, I guess I'll just have to take that for what it is.

 

[HyeLifeLS]

That's a beautiful set up man. Great job!:shifty:

 

[rainjacks]

If HHO is so great why don't they do it at the factory?

 

[joegr]

The factory is now allowed to break the laws of physics (or emissions regulations).