Here's a little more "intimidation" from the party of tolerance

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Here's a little more "intimidation" to go with all the other stories that we've mentioned in this forum...



Candidate Banners Can Leave Clients, Businesses Bruised
By Avis Thomas-Lester
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, October 12, 2008; C01

The sign went up Sunday evening, bold black letters against the stark white background of the marquee at the Colony South Hotel & Conference Center in Clinton: "Country First. McCain/Palin."

By daybreak, pandemonium had broken loose all across heavily Democratic Prince George's County. Many local supporters of Democrat Barack Obama, jolted by the message as they headed down Branch Avenue on their Monday morning commutes, grabbed cellphones and BlackBerrys to notify friends. Operators of neighborhood e-mail group lists cried foul to their memberships. The NAACP logged calls. Community leaders demanded boycotts of the hotel, a common venue for Democratic events.

"Businesspeople have to be mindful of the sentiments and sensibilities of their market trading area, and Prince George's County is overwhelmingly for Obama," said community activist Arthur Turner of Kettering, who was among those advocating a boycott. "People I have talked to look at the sign as a slap in the face. They feel it was blatant disrespect. . . . I have heard people say they will no longer patronize Colony South because of that disrespect."

The outcry over the hotel marquee tapped into the passion -- and sometimes anger -- that has characterized this fall's presidential campaign. Supporters of Republican candidate John McCain have vented their rage at rallies this week, applauding thunderously as McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists."

Prince George's, though, is clearly Obama Country. As the nation's wealthiest mostly black community, where about 77 percent of registered voters are Democrats, residents have Obama placards in their yards, bumper stickers on their cars and the candidate's visage on their T-shirts.

The marquee supporting the GOP ticket in "an area that is strongly African American was like putting a stink bomb in the middle of the living room," said University of Maryland political Professor Ron Walters. "What it does show is the emotions that are around this campaign and this election."

Colony South General Manager Alan Vahabzadeh said that the hotel, one of several Washington area businesses that has dared to venture into the political thicket, got the message after about 100 phone calls and three dozen e-mails. The sign came down Wednesday afternoon.

"I didn't even realize it was going to be like this," he said in an interview. The last thing "we want to do is lose business," he added.

But Friday afternoon, motorists noticed new signs -- broad banners attached to wooden stakes in the hotel's front yard -- again touting the Republicans.

Vahabzadeh did not return later calls seeking comment, but an employee said the phones were again ringing with complaints.

And Democratic activists started talking boycott. That could mean canceling political events at the hotel and urging residents to skip its Wednesday night karaoke events and Sunday brunches.

"While a business has the right to display what it chooses, the public has a right to show its contempt for that decision, including boycotting," said Mel Franklin, president of the Greater Marlboro Democratic Club.

Other business owners who have gotten into the political game have drawn less grief. At the Big Bad Woof pet store in liberal Takoma Park, bumper stickers urging people to "Vote for Bark Obama 2008" are available for sale. No such items were available for "John McCanine."

At B. Smith's restaurant in Union Station recently, a waiter sported an Obama campaign button. At the Old Town Trading Post in Alexandria, which sells hemp necklaces, African figurines and incense, among other novelties, an array of McCain T-shirts and a bumper sticker that reads "Friends don't let friends vote Democrat" are available for sale. A giant sign at Parson's Farm nursery in Prince William County proclaims the area "McCain Country."

Richard D'Amico, a stylist at Axis, a hair salon on Connecticut Avenue NW, has declared his work area a "Sarah Palin-Free Zone" by posting on his mirror a photo he cut out of a magazine marked with a red circle and a slash across it. The salon has Obama bags in the window. None of the clients has protested or demanded equal time for McCain, he said.

"It was such a topic of conversation -- everybody wants to talk about Sarah Palin. Even my clients stop me on the street and say, 'How about that Sarah Palin?' " said D'Amico, an Obama supporter. "So I decided I had to put a sign up."

The political partisanship, residents said, is their right as Americans.

Some Prince George's Democrats acknowledge as much.

"This is a highly charged election where the stakes are extremely high and emotions are running high on all fronts," said Orlan Johnson, a lawyer who lives in Bowie and is on Obama's national finance team. "But it is difficult for me to believe that individuals shouldn't continue to have the opportunity to exercise their right to free speech. It would be un-American to not allow that to happen."

Others say residents have a right to register their dissent.

"For a business to display a huge McCain-Palin sign in the middle of such a pro-Democratic and pro-Obama area is business suicide," Franklin said.

At Colony South, Vahabzadeh said the "Country First" message had been posted on the marquee Sunday evening by security guards after they received a memo instructing them to put it up.

Vahabzadeh said he did not know who wrote the memo and has been unable to find it. He has not spoken to the security guards, who work the midnight shift, he said.

The hotel's owner, Francis P. Chiaramonte, could not be reached at the hotel or at his home. His son, Michael Chiaramonte, chairman of the board of the Prince George's County Business Roundtable, did not return a call to his office or to the roundtable office yesterday.

"We support everyone here," Vahabzadeh said of the facility, whose front lawn is frequently adorned with signs for Democratic candidates and has been the venue for the annual prayer breakfast for former state delegate Obie Patterson (D-Prince George's), a recent home foreclosure program called by Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) and a meeting of the African American Democratic Club.

Two weeks ago, a fundraiser for Obama was held there. "If I was so Republican, why would I book an Obama fundraiser?" Vahabzadeh asked.

Bob Ross, 63, a community activist who lives near the hotel, said Obama supporters should see the sign as a reminder that they should "stay vigilant."

"That sign should serve as a reminder that everybody who supports Obama should make sure to bring five or six people with them to the polls Nov. 4. It means that there is still more work to be done."

June White Dillard, president of the Prince George's chapter of the NAACP, said the type of events Colony South has booked in the past is the reason the sign cut so deeply.

Mary Brantley, a travel agency owner from Upper Marlboro, belongs to the health club at Colony South and was among those who complained to the hotel. She was heartened to see the marquee changed Wednesday. It now advertises football games.

But as she drove past the hotel Friday afternoon, she couldn't help notice the two large banners in the front yard proclaiming: "McCain Palin. Country First." Again.
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So, I guess I will repost...

Let the hotel put anything out they want - if they want to commit business suicide, that is their 'business'. If democrats want to call and complain - what is wrong with that?

However, I do I like...and a bumper sticker that reads "Friends don't let friends vote Democrat" :) I need to get some for my friends...

You want to know real intimidation - when groups are protesting the war - in this case a group of moms and kids along the route of the presidential motorcade - and the government goons move the group to a location that the president won't ever see. Ah, nothing like watching the first amendment rights swirl right down the drain.
 
You want to know real intimidation - when groups are protesting the war - in this case a group of moms and kids along the route of the presidential motorcade - and the government goons move the group to a location that the president won't ever see. Ah, nothing like watching the first amendment rights swirl right down the drain.

That's not intimidation.
That's crowd control and security.

You'd have a valid argument if those protesting weren't allowed to protest. Those Code Pink idiots sat infront of the Bush compound in Texas for months and no one stopped them.

I've run into those idiot anti-war protesters and they are always combative, disruptive, and aggressive. You segregate them so that they don't start fights with the reasonable people.

And, the President isn't looking out the window taking note of a bunch of hippy nuts exploiting their kids, seeking attention, or trying to relived the disaster and failure that was the 60s/early 70s.
 
Let's see Calabrio -

It is OK to hang a political sign on your hotel, and then when some people call and say they won't be using your hotel for their next wedding reception, that is intimidation.

But, when a group of moms and kids are legally, safely, and sanely are standing on a sidewalk so they can show that they don't believe in a war, it is OK for Government agents to physically move them, to make sure that the president of the United States doesn't have to view them?

What good is protesting, when there is no one to see you? If you cry out 'inequality' in the middle of an empty field, what good is it?

You should watch it - your prejudice is showing... "idiot anti-war protesters and they are always combative, disruptive, and aggressive"

And then to say, "You segregate them so that they don't start fights with the reasonable people."

Let's remove those mom's and their kids, maybe we could place them in protester camps.

Any other amendments you are willing to strike down for the protection of 'reasonable people' like yourself?

There is a whole slew of amendments that protect a large variety of civil rights, just remember once you say it is OK for the government to start 'bending the rules' for a few combative, distruptive, aggressive protesters, it won't be long before they come onto sites like this and find reasons to shut down your 'reasonable person' protest.

And, the President isn't looking out the window taking note of a bunch of hippy nuts exploiting their kids, seeking attention, or trying to relived the disaster and failure that was the 60s/early 70s.

Maybe that is what has been wrong with this administration. When you remove yourself from the people and no longer are concerned with their civil liberties or have a tolerance for meaningful opposition you are left with a Authoritarianism.
 
Let's see Calabrio -

It is OK to hang a political sign on your hotel, and then when some people call and say they won't be using your hotel for their next wedding reception, that is intimidation.

But, when a group of moms and kids are legally, safely, and sanely are standing on a sidewalk so they can show that they don't believe in a war, it is OK for Government agents to physically move them, to make sure that the president of the United States doesn't have to view them?
You're presuming that the decision is made to simply shield the President from "having to see them." I disagree with that conclusion. I maintain that the group is moved for safety reasons.

What good is protesting, when there is no one to see you? If you cry out 'inequality' in the middle of an empty field, what good is it?
The purpose of those demonstrations is simple. To help the people involved in the protest feel better about themselves. No President drives past a group of morons in pink shirts and says, "Wow.. they really made a good point on that sign. I hadn't thought of intensely complicated matter of national security in simplistic and poorly written rhymes. Good thing those people were blocking traffic."

You should watch it - your prejudice is showing... "idiot anti-war protesters and they are always combative, disruptive, and aggressive"
Well, all the anti-war protests I've encountered have been dominated by combative, disruptive, and aggressive leftists.

And then to say, "You segregate them so that they don't start fights with the reasonable people."
Yes I did.
Yes they do.


Let's remove those mom's and their kids, maybe we could place them in protester camps.
No, just keep them out of traffic.
And they can continue their delusional protest in their quest to feel good about themselves.


Any other amendments you are willing to strike down for the protection of 'reasonable people' like yourself?
Haven't spoken of striking any amendment down.
Liberals are the ones who institute things like "hate speech" and "sensitivity training" thought camps.

There is a whole slew of amendments that protect a large variety of civil rights, just remember once you say it is OK for the government to start 'bending the rules' for a few combative, distruptive, aggressive protesters, it won't be long before they come onto sites like this and find reasons to shut down your 'reasonable person' protest.
But you can't block traffic. And police have a responsibility to keep people safe and they are obligated by the city to prevent direct conflict. And while YOUR little group of protesters might have been very civil and quiet, the OTHER ones have set a precedent and law enforcement is compelled to take reasonable measure to keep the peace and everyone's safety.

Maybe that is what has been wrong with this administration. When you remove yourself from the people and no longer are concerned with their civil liberties or have a tolerance for meaningful opposition you are left with a Authoritarianism.
No President does.
Lunatic protesters show up everywhere he goes with their stupid signs.

Should he personalize all the ones that call him a Nazi too? Give it a rest. Go stand out there with your sign, feel good about yourself. Maybe think of a witty sign and be proud of it. But if you think you're going to influence policy by waving a sign or aligning yourself with a bunch of America hating lunatics like those pink t-shirt wearing swine, enjoy yourself-

Just don't block traffic. And if you could convince the majority of the left wing protesters to stop causing trouble, everyone wouldn't be so tense and act proactively.

I guess you haven't watched that video I posted last week about the handful of McCain supporters walking in a parade in NYC. And perhaps you didn't hear the story about the woman in New York volunteering as a sign waver who was attacked by a male Obama supporter, he took the sign, broke it, than hit her in the face repeatedly with the wooden handle.
 
You're presuming that the decision is made to simply shield the President from "having to see them." I disagree with that conclusion. I maintain that the group is moved for safety reasons.
Oh, I watched your McCain/New York video. The group of war protesters were just as, if not more peaceable than your McCain supporters. And they were always on the sidewalk.

The purpose of those demonstrations is simple. To help the people involved in the protest feel better about themselves.
So, even if that is the reason - they are allowed to peaceably assemble, even if they want to protest Oliver Stone movies, there isn't a qualification test (yet) that you need for anyone to 'approve' your protest.

Well, all the anti-war protests I've encountered have been dominated by combative, disruptive, and aggressive leftists.
Well, all the McCain/Palin supporters I've encountered have been dominated by combative, disruptive, and agressive rightists. (Not really - but I do like the way that sounds, buttercup bicuspids...)

You're world is pretty limited isn't Calabrio?
So, moms and kids start a lot of fights in your neighborhood?

No, just keep them out of traffic.
And they can continue their delusional protest in their quest to feel good about themselves.
They were out of traffic. And it is a whole lot different when the 'government' moves you. That is in direct conflict of the first amendment.

Haven't spoken of striking any amendment down.
Liberals are the ones who institute things like "hate speech" and "sensitivity training" thought camps.
Yes you have, when you indicated that it was all right to move protesters to a place that they won't be seen. The right of the people peaceably to assemble, doesn't have any restrictions to it... other than 'peaceable'.

Go stand out there with your sign, feel good about yourself. Maybe think of a witty sign and be proud of it. But if you think you're going to influence policy by waving a sign or aligning yourself with a bunch of America hating lunatics like those pink t-shirt wearing swine, enjoy yourself-

Tell that to the men at the Boston Tea Party, I believed they help change the world. Tell that to the Chicago 8, they helped end a war. Protesters make a difference, but only when they are allowed to be seen and heard. Once the government starts to interfere with peaceable assembly, you need to worry Calabrio, because it does effect you.

And perhaps you didn't hear the story about the woman in New York volunteering as a sign waver who was attacked by a male Obama supporter, he took the sign, broke it, than hit her in the face repeatedly with the wooden handle.

No I haven't - do you have the link to the story Calabrio?
 
Oh, I watched your McCain/New York video. The group of war protesters were just as, if not more peaceable than your McCain supporters. And they were always on the sidewalk.

Context: The McCain supporters in the video were in a parade.
They weren't' just cruising through the streets looking for people to annoy.


So, even if that is the reason - they are allowed to peaceably assemble, even if they want to protest Oliver Stone movies, there isn't a qualification test (yet) that you need for anyone to 'approve' your protest.
Nope, you can protest until you feel better about yourself all day long.



You're world is pretty limited isn't Calabrio?
So, moms and kids start a lot of fights in your neighborhood?
That's surely a laid back group of code pinkers screaming in the chambers of congress, making silly statements intended to offend, and protesting infront of the military recruiter...


They were out of traffic. And it is a whole lot different when the 'government' moves you. That is in direct conflict of the first amendment.
Actually,it's not.
You have a right to peaceably assemble, you have a right to your opinion. But there are rules regarding where you can do certain things.

And while your particular group of crazy ladies might have been nice crazy ladies pimping out their children, the guys trying to keep the peace don't know ahead of time. So they do the same thing for everyone.
For the record, they usually move the Counter-protesters to similarly out of the way locations as well.


Yes you have, when you indicated that it was all right to move protesters to a place that they won't be seen. The right of the people peaceably to assemble, doesn't have any restrictions to it... other than 'peaceable'.
You can't do it on my yard.
You can't do it in the middle of town, unless you get a permit.

There are all kinds of restrictions.
You're a democrat, you love regulation, you should know that.

Tell that to the men at the Boston Tea Party, I believed they help change the world.
They weren't holding signs and coming up with catching ryhmes.

Tell that to the Chicago 8, they helped end a war.
You mean lose the war we were winning?
You give those subversive criminals too much credit.

Protesters make a difference, but only when they are allowed to be seen and heard. Once the government starts to interfere with peaceable assembly, you need to worry Calabrio, because it does effect you.

See, here's the rub.
I don't give a damn where you protest.
Just stay out of traffic and don't harass people.
Stay off private property
If you want to practice civil disobedience, fine. Just don't cry when you get prosecuted. That's the point of it.

And if you hurt yourself, or your kid, don't sue anyone.
Ultimately, that's what everything comes down to. These "repressive" regulations are designed to hold off the damn blood thirsty Democrat trial lawyers.

But, you do have a right to assemble, you have a right to your opinion. You don't have a"right" to necessarily be heard by the specific person you want.

No I haven't - do you have the link to the story Calabrio?
Of course I do:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/
 
The protesters were a group from a local high school civic's class doing a volunteer project about the constitution. They got to choose from a variety of projects, including sitting in on the state senate, following your representative around for a day, etc.

They obeyed all the rules, permit, peaceable, on the side walk. The Government still moved them.

They learned a lot about 'freedom'

Code pinkers are a strange and somewhat sad little group - I agree with some of their causes, however they could go about things differently, I don't belong or take part in their protests or activities. But, maybe they are the next group to change the world.

However, I did have to wonder about the security at the RNC - is that the best they can do? The code pinkers were all over the DNC, but at least they didn't make it into the hall.

"They weren't holding signs and coming up with catching ryhmes."


The men who were at the Boston Tea Party tried peaceable protest, many times, they were oppressed. Maybe they were lead by the Kings men to a quiet location, away from the King's procession.

You have a right to assemble along the street where perhaps the person you want to hear your protest will be traveling if you have played by all the rules. Otherwise eventually those protestors will throw tea in the harbor.

The incident in New York is very disturbing. It is awful that things like happen. Although, as you said to me and my "button' incident, it isn't necessarily an Obama supporter, he didn't have any Obama gear on or screamed anything out about Obama (although I would say that it is more than likely an Obama supporter and not a disgruntled Romney man) and that is according to the blog - the woman who was attacked quoted what the man said, but there wasn't anything in the man's quotes about Obama. The article describes the man that left a nickel sized bruise on the woman's temple and a 1/10 inch cut near her eyebrow as 'doughy' and the photo of the man doesn't show any Obama stuff on him.

Now, the chance he wasn't an Obama supporter - almost nil. And it is terrible that this happened. But can you 'hang' the actions of a few angry supporters on the whole of the party (I quoted the 'hang' part because one of my liberal friends sent me a terrible link to a man who made a lovely ghost effigy of Obama, labeled it and lynched it in his front yard, although it is private property, and he can do what he wants on it, it certainly is none the less a scary image... and the man is a loonie - in the rather quaint way of the KKK). The politics of hate are such a terrible thing, on both sides...
 
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And more of these stories are hitting the local papers.
I suspect there will be more as we approach the election with Obama's lead still subject to the margin of error, and his followers become increasing angry, panicked, and upset...



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Owner Believes Lexus Vandalized Due To McCain Sticker
By DAVE NICHOLSON | The Tampa Tribune
Published: October 18, 2008

Clearwater - CLEARWATER Frank Armstrong was preparing to go for a jog this morning when he noticed his Lexus – adorned with a McCain-Palin sticker - had been vandalized with obscenities and a burned American flag.

Armstrong discovered the damage to his 2006 Lexus about 8:30 a.m. at his Sand Key condominium at 1400 Gulf Blvd. Clearwater police and Armstrong said someone etched obscenities and "KKK" into the paint, burned several areas of the car with cigarettes, set the flag on fire on his hood and may have urinated on the vehicle. Officers and Armstrong think the car was singled out because of its political stickers, including one reading "Nobama."

"This is definitely a hate crime," said Armstrong, a 41-year-old physician.

Police estimated damage at $4,500. Police classified the incident as "criminal mischief/hate crime" and said it appeared "to be politically/racially motivated because the victim affixed a bumper sticker supporting the McCain campaign as well as an anti-Obama bumper sticker."
 

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