Freon

Just make sure you use R134a refrigerant, not freon (R12). That shouldn't be a problem, since the fittings are different, and R12 is difficult to obtain legally...
 
Technically, you shouldn't be able to buy 134A either without a certificate...but you can.
 
2001LS8Sport said:
Technically, you shouldn't be able to buy 134A either without a certificate...but you can.

How is that? They sell it at Walmart and every autoparts store?
 
you will need a set of guages to add refrigerent
How do you know its low?
does the Ac/comp. come on?
if the charge is low there is a good chance there is a leak!
 
Calabrio said:
How is that? They sell it at Walmart and every autoparts store?

I know. But when the Montreal Accord was first adopted into law banning the use of R12 and all ozone depleting substances, it also made provisions for the requirement of being licensed to buy all types of freons...including the blends that used to be out there. It also required the capture of all freons...including R134A by capture equipment when working on an a/c system. However, I know of several shops that do not capture R134A. I'm guessing that everyone decided that R134A was safe to work with and chose to ignore the original ruling.
 
what will it cost me to get some new freon put in?

my 2000 v8 AC works pretty good,, just takes a min to cool off on above 90 days.,, but not as good as it should.
 
on above 90 days I think the system is just a bit overworked. We've had some real heat here lately and my A/C has struggled. checked charge and it's perfect....
 
2001LS8Sport said:
I know. But when the Montreal Accord was first adopted into law banning the use of R12 and all ozone depleting substances, it also made provisions for the requirement of being licensed to buy all types of freons...including the blends that used to be out there. It also required the capture of all freons...including R134A by capture equipment when working on an a/c system. However, I know of several shops that do not capture R134A. I'm guessing that everyone decided that R134A was safe to work with and chose to ignore the original ruling.
R134A if a flourocarbon, not a chloroflourocarbon (CFC). The chlorine in CFCs is the part that does the damage to the ozone; the problem with CFCs is that they're stable enough to survive being lifted to the stratosphere, where the chlorine is liberated from the CFC molecule. (Chlorine acts like a catalyst; it's not consumed in the reaction, so a tiny amount of chlorine can destroy a tremendous amount of ozone.)

Without the chlorine, the flourocarbons aren't nearly as damaging, so their escape into the atmosphere isn't nearly as problematic.

FWIW, R134a (CH2FCF3) is not in the list of chemicals controlled by the Montreal Protocol (see http://hq.unep.org/ozone/Montreal-Protocol/Montreal-Protocol2000.shtml ).
 
beaups said:
on above 90 days I think the system is just a bit overworked. We've had some real heat here lately and my A/C has struggled. checked charge and it's perfect....
R134a is a passable, at best, refrigerant, IMHO, but my LS has been blowing fairly cold air, and we've had afternoons with temps well over 100F for the last week or two. Turning on the recirculate mode helps quite a bit; normally I start by using the central roll-down to open all the windows and moon roof (to evacuate as much of the heat in the car as possible). Once I start the car, I set the moon roof to the vent position; once the air starts blowing cold, I roll up the windows. Once the interior starts to cool down, I close the moon roof and set the HVAC system to recirculate. Before too long, it's circulating fairly cold air, even when the temperatures are close to 110F.

It normally blows hot air for maybe a minute, as the cooling starts. After that, it's a minute or two (less than five) before I close the moon roof and go to recirculate.
 
Yes once the car gets cool it's ok. it helps to keep the rpm's up (I'll leave it in sst3) for a while. we've been upper 90's for the last week and I can drive 40 miles with the a/c set to 60 and be comfortable. In my older minivan I'd freeze my a s s off:)
 
If your minivan was built before 1994 or 1995, it probably had R12 (freon) as its refrigerant. R12 was a very efficient refrigerant, and R12 systems will blow very cold air. It beats the living daylights out of R134a.

And, as mentioned above, if it really is low, make sure you find the leak. The refrigerant system does not consume R134a, so it has to be leaking somewhere.
 

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