geno , first of all thanks for the phone help, and second, i think my prob is 2 part, first i didn't clean well, took care of that, and 2 nd dennis instructions that came to eric when he bought it didnt make it clear to leave the 2 nd cover on or off before duct taping, 1st time i left it on and it seemed to bend but not break one of the wire thinks on the chip(sorry,not comp literate) on the side you put tape over, i didnt move it for fear of breaking it, but since it didnt appear broken i thought itd be o.k. and also when i bought it one thing was missing, it seems it was never there, i think it was for a space on the board, if this does not work when i fire it back up is there a place to go to have the chip checked out or can only dennis do it?,i know you can't reprogram but could you fix a broken chip, (i think it was just dirty though) anyway i'm going to hook it up and see what happens i'll let you know thanks jeff