Eliminating Michigan income tax

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I will have the opportunity next week to meet, in a round-table discussion, with the Governor of Michigan. An organization my wife belongs to gets an audience every year as the Governor is an honory member of the group.

We've discussed the national sales tax on this site and I see little hope of it passing anytime soon. I fall somewhat on the Conservative side on this subject and the Governor is quite Liberal.

I may or may not get an opportunity to speak as many of the group's members do not agree with the Governor and we only have two hours of her precious time.

I've written a position piece to present to her in case I don't get to speak. I don't agree with a lot of some people's politics on this site but I do respect your intelligence. I'm hoping I can present this in a non-political fashion. Have I succeeded?



Governor Granholm,

The State of Michigan could eliminate the state income tax in favor of a state sales tax of something less than 10%.

Michigan has developed a cash culture that, as former Attorney General, you saw all the time in Michigan’s court system. As a tradesman I can tell you that many do not pay their fair share at the state or federal income tax level. They do, however, pay state sales tax for all of their material. We pay sales tax at the point of material pick-up.

Other less desirable professions thrive in a cash environment. Criminals rarely pay any income tax but they sure pay large sums of sales tax. Why not make all criminals help pay for their punishment?

I estimate that 40% of all residential construction income goes unreported. I know of a contractor who has the perfect crime in action. Commercial work all runs through the books while residential work gets paid in cash. The material and labor for the cash jobs go against company profits, effectively eliminating any state or federal tax liability. Nice work if you can get it.

Undertakers, babysitters, and even attorneys operate in this cash world, too. Some lady wants you to bury her husband and hands you $10,000 in cash. How much, if any of that, is the average person going to report? With the elimination of the income tax you would simply shift 3.9% to the sales tax column. You could even lop off a full 1% and collect 25-50% more income for the state.

You may question my estimates but the specific number doesn’t matter. You know that there are hundreds of thousands of people who are not paying their fair share for the schools they send their children to, the roads they drive on and the security we enjoy from having a powerful state police department. They don’t contribute to mental health or any other social program but often benefit from those programs.

There are junk dealers who are stripping the city of Detroit’s abandoned homes for copper and aluminum. Recycled brick prices cause gangs to rip down walls and cart away the booty for a cash payment. If a big junk dealer is cashing in $10,000 a month and spending it all the state gets $600. If he’s paying 9% sales tax it wouldn’t matter where he or the contractor got his money. It would only matter where they spent it.

Once you got to keep 3.9% more, you would then have the choice of whether to spend it or save it. This state needs more savers. Savings is very good for the economy, as you know. An objection will be raised that the poor will pay a disproportional share of their income in sales tax. In my opinion it could be construed as disproportional on the other end of the scale. The wealthy will consider this a luxury tax but will come to understand the offset benefits. The poor will be able to adjust through some type of assistance already effectively in place. The middle class would actually benefit the most, as the opportunity to save is one that is often missed.

I believe that sufficient funds would be raised through this tax shift to eliminate the Small Business Tax that we all suffer. The SBT is a clear impediment to new businesses locating here and to any individual starting a small business. Imagine eliminating the SBT and the Michigan State income tax. I believe that would make Michigan a much more attractive place to live and do business.

I’ve long been a proponent of a national sales tax but that will never come to pass as there are 50 states and 50 opinions. There is nothing to stop Michigan from leading the way in eliminating and lowering taxes.

Barry Wolk
Farmington Hills, MI
 
I think that Federal taxes are out of her jurisdiction, although certainly she can express opinions, and have some influence.

I think that, if you have the opportunity, you should express to her that the State of Michigan needs to take pro-active steps to retain the automobile business in Michigan.

I heard an analyst yesterday on CNBC commenting on the fact that Toyota wants to build a new plant in the US. She said that if Toyota were to want to build a new plant in the State of Michigan, they would HAVE to deal with the UAW. Sounds like Communist Russia to me.

This artificial attempt to defy the laws of economics is always a failed attempt. Tell her that.
 
Vitas said:
I think that Federal taxes are out of her jurisdiction, although certainly she can express opinions, and have some influence.

I think that, if you have the opportunity, you should express to her that the State of Michigan needs to take pro-active steps to retain the automobile business in Michigan.

I heard an analyst yesterday on CNBC commenting on the fact that Toyota wants to build a new plant in the US. She said that if Toyota were to want to build a new plant in the State of Michigan, they would HAVE to deal with the UAW. Sounds like Communist Russia to me.

This artificial attempt to defy the laws of economics is always a failed attempt. Tell her that.


While your comments are clearly off-topic your questions was answered by the Governor today.

It appears that the UAW wants to do business a new way and that is what the Governor is supporting.

There is a new engine plant in Michigan. It is a joint effort of three auto companies, one US based. They opened a factory to produce an engine that would be common to all three companies.

The unique thing about this plant is that all employees are UAW members that possess college degrees and there is only one job classification so anyone can do anyone else's job. It has enormously streamlined the communication throughout the plant. It is her opinion that that relationship between the plant floor and management is the future of the auto industry staying in Michigan.

I hope that answers your question. I handed her my tax question in letter form in the hopes that she will read it. She's been in town all week for the Super Bowl festivities. Like her politics or not, she is a brilliant woman.
 
barry2952 said:
The unique thing about this plant is that all employees are UAW members that possess college degrees and there is only one job classification so anyone can do anyone else's job.
Great news. Make note to self. Tell the boys they need a college degree to operate a torque wrench and a PH.D. to wipe their bottoms. j/k

Guess that is why my kids will be entrepreneurs, college or no college.
 
That's where you and I have always wholeheartedly agreed.

Your example is oversimplified but apt. Can you blame the employer for wanting the best employees? What's to stop a lineworker from getting a degree? The auto companies will gladly pay for it.
 
barry2952 said:
Can you blame the employer for wanting the best employees? What's to stop a lineworker from getting a degree?
The problem as I see it is that many employers are raising the requirements or qualifications above what is necessary to perform the job. Many capable workers are turned away because they don't have that 'piece of paper'.

What is wrong with training people to do the job. They are more likely to be more loyal and less likely to pick up and run at the 1st opportunity.
 
Again, I understand your point but these engine assemblers are not just torque wrench turners. There's a level of sophistication needed to operate the machinery that all of our competitors are using. If we want our cars to be competitive our workers need to be better trained.

Our Governor addressed this too in emphasizing education of the workforce as another huge key to keeping jobs here. We're not assembling Model Ts anymore.

By hiring or promoting college graduates from the ranks seems to me to be an effective way of operating on the world market with a higher level of sophistication that offsets some of the cost of the union environment.

Our Governor plays a real balancing act as she was not supported by the unions in Michigan even though they traditionally vote Democratic.
 
barry2952 said:
While your comments are clearly off-topic...

I would think that the issue of Michigan's Economy, in an opportunity to meet the Governor of the State, is directly on topic. BWDIK
 
Anything you say Vitas. You are entitled to your opinion.
 

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