Drunk with Power?
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I understand the point of view, and how it infringes on freedoms.
But how were the framers supposed to take into account health insurance, and the government's role in mandating coverage? Was there any such thing as health insurance during that time period?
These are more just general questions. I'm not trying to debate, as I'm not as well versed in current politics as you guys. It's never been a forte of mine.
But how were the framers supposed to take into account health insurance, and the government's role in mandating coverage? Was there any such thing as health insurance during that time period?
These are more just general questions. I'm not trying to debate, as I'm not as well versed in current politics as you guys. It's never been a forte of mine.
Everyone keeps talking about reform, but why does reform seem to mean, "just make someone else responsible for paying for it."
Because the costs are passed on, the buying and consuming habits of the market are all skewed. You don't compare prices. You aren't interested in value. You're not worried about needless testing. You just consume it.
SUPPLY AND DEMAND CURVE.
I repeat this over and over, but you can't address health care reform until you at least understand the basic principles of S&D and apply it to the discussion.
Because the costs are passed on, the buying and consuming habits of the market are all skewed. You don't compare prices. You aren't interested in value. You're not worried about needless testing. You just consume it.
SUPPLY AND DEMAND CURVE.
I repeat this over and over, but you can't address health care reform until you at least understand the basic principles of S&D and apply it to the discussion.
Agreed!!!
Money cannot be applied to the General Welfare, otherwise than by an application of it to some particular measure conducive to the General Welfare. Whenever, therefore, money has been raised by the General Authority, and is to be applied to a particular measure, a question arises whether the particular measure be within the enumerated authorities vested in Congress. If it be, the money requisite for it may be applied to it; if it be not, no such application can be made.
-James Madison
[O]ur tenet ever was, and, indeed, it is almost the only landmark which now divides the federalists from the republicans, that Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action; consequently, that the specification of powers is a limitation of the purposes for which they may raise money.
-Thomas Jefferson
If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions.
-James Madison
-James Madison
[O]ur tenet ever was, and, indeed, it is almost the only landmark which now divides the federalists from the republicans, that Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action; consequently, that the specification of powers is a limitation of the purposes for which they may raise money.
-Thomas Jefferson
If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions.
-James Madison
Can you elaborate, because I don't know precisely what you're talking about.
Insurance is a means for the private sector to protect themselves from catastrophic damages. The person responsible for providing the insurance does so because he's motivated by a profit motive, he can make a modest profit for the time and energy he's invested in his company. People more likely to require pay out paying a higher rate to cover the risk.
Obama and the Democrats are moving towards single payer.
That is not insurance, that's an entitlement.
Let's just start over.
Why has health reform simply become another way of changing "who" pays for it, rather than how and what we pay for it?
And was my S&D point clear? If we address the S&D issue, then we actually will see the invisible hand control prices.
Apparently you don't understand the difference between insurance and entitlement.
Insurance is something you voluntarily purchase. An entitlement is something you are FORCED to pay for the federal government to provide. That is the difference; choice vs. coercion.
No, you merely wanted to do that, though you failed to do so.
So is food and housing...
So.... because they call it an "option" means there is no coercion? You seem to be ignoring the fact of the federal MANDATE to have health insurance coverage.
Maybe if you weren't so focused on condescending toward me and dismissing what I say you would catch what I was saying. Unfortunately, you have shown time and again that you are incapable of mutually respectful discourse.
You were the one to start with the personal attacks. You can't both "reciprocate" and "initiate".
fossten
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Wow that deserves an *owned*
Legitimize it however you like. Anyone who has been following your posts and your interactions with me knows the truth and it is the opposite of how you are characterizing it here...
I only ever show contempt for someone who first shows contempt, who uses fallacious arguments, talks beyond their knowledge, etc.; basically for someone who shows a lack of civility. You know that and my history on this forum bears that out.
To characterize me as simply showing contempt for anyone who disagrees with me is to smear me. Something you are rather good at.