Dont you just LOVE the Obama Criminal Organization??

Again, how is that even a response to what I said?

Are you simply going to continue to try and stereotype me and conservatism in general?

Is it that scary to even consider the possibility that your preconceived notions might be wrong?

Stereotype you and conservatism in general? no, but facts are facts, evangelist have sneaked in the back door of the right and are now pushing MORAL issues and views to reflect religious issues and wedge issues: gay mariage, abortion, and all thanks to whom?? well, here's a quote about the Pat Roberton school REGENT of religious govt infection::and I quote....

"Bush administration hires: According to Regent University, more than 150 of its graduates had been hired by the federal government during the George W. Bush presidency[18] including dozens in Bush's administration.[57] As it was previously rare for alumni to go into government, Boston Globe journalist Charlie Savage suggested that the appointment of Office of Personnel Management director Kay Coles James, the former dean of Regent's government school, caused this sharp increase in Regent alumni employed in the government.[18] An article about a Regent graduate who interviewed for a government position and Regent's low school rankings were cited as an example of the Bush administration hiring applicants with strong conservative credentials but weaker academic qualifications and less civil rights law experience than past candidates in the Civil Rights Division.[18] In addition to Savage, several other commentators made similar assertions.[37][58][59][60] The Washington Post contrasted the employment of Regent employees by Bush to the hiring practices of his successor Barack Obama who tended to select from higher tiered colleges.[57]

However, Savage noted that the school had improved since its days of "dismal numbers" and that the school has had recent wins in national moot-court and negotiation competitions.[18][61] Though a prominent critic of the school, Reverend Barry Lynn of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State advised against "underestimat[ing] the quality of a lot of the people that are there"
 
Gee, let's see---OH!!! How about nuclear? Oh, that's right! We had it. And then all the libtards said that they were SOOOOOO SSSCCARED of nuclear and agitated until most of the installations were mothballed.

KS

You are getting the treehuggers confused with liberals. Most treehuggers are liberal, but fewer liberals are treehuggers. Having said that.....

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf41.html

The USA is the world's largest producer of nuclear power, accounting for more than 30% of worldwide nuclear generation of electricity.
The country's 104 nuclear reactors produced 799 billion kWh in 2009, over 20% of total electrical output.
Following a 30-year period in which few new reactors were built, it is expected that 4-6 new units may come on line by 2018, the first of those resulting from 16 licence applications to build 24 new nuclear reactors made since mid-2007.

Gosh, which party was in control of the House and the Senate in mid 2007???

:rolleyes:

Obama Says Safe Nuclear Power Plants are a Necessary Investment

President Obama today said that safe, new nuclear power plants are a "necessity" as he announced more than $8 billion in federal loan guarantees to build the first nuclear power plant in three decades.

So much for your false, tired right-wing rhetoric.
 
Compshmoe, I take it you are avoiding any discussion of what defines modern liberal ideology at this point.

It seems pretty clear that you are focusing on "the right" and the false characterization of "the right" as simple minded religious nuts with no intellectual depth to speak of.

Of course, this overestimation of Christian dogma as defining conservative thought simply highlights your ignorance yet again.

As I said earlier, it is critical to know how things work in order to make sense of them. This applies to economic and political thought as well. Without that knowledge, it is very easy to be mislead by the emotionally appealing rhetoric and partisan narratives that dominate the news.

One of those misleading narratives is that of the "religious right". The term is never specifically defined, which should be a red flag in and of itself. The only consistent definition implicit in the media is, "whatever viewpoint is offensive to liberal sensibilities, especially with regards to social issues".

One of my political science professors taught an entire class on the "religious right" that I took and even the arguments he provided were rooted in a lot of hyperbole, vagueness and baseless assertions. I still have the textbooks.

While it is certainly true that some elements of conservatism are structured around more evangelical religious views (paleoconservatism, specifically), that is hardly what defines all conservative thought.

Goldwater conservatives, for instance, are much more libertarian in their leanings (think Ron Paul and Tea Partiers).

Of course conservatism recognizes the importance of social/moral issue but there are two facts you seem to be missing, A) this is not simply due to religious views but from deductive philosophical reasoning like all political thought, and B) recognizing the importance of social/moral issues is something EVERY ideology does.

Whether explicitly stated or not, EVERY ideology recognizing the importance of social/moral issues (and I am using ideology in the more general, non-technical term here). Modern liberalism sees it as a moral imperative to redistribute wealth in a more equitable manner and libertarianism sees it as a moral obligation to promote and not infringe on individual liberty. EVERY ideology is built on a moral argument and the implication of that is typically a moral order that government looks to direct society to conform to.

Since the moral order that libertarianism is rooted in conforms so well with human nature and is focused primarily on the individual, there is little need to force society to conform to it. With Socialism, that understanding of human nature is not realistic and the focus of the ideology treats the individual as a means to an end, hence the need to force a moral order on society in those views.

Conservatism in general does not hinge on Christian views any more then the unique form of classical liberalism that this nation was founded on hinges on it (specifically through the idea of Natural Law that this nation is founded on). In fact, some arguments for Conservatism reject any notion of a God altogether.

For instance, John Kekes, an Atheist, makes the most compelling modern argument for conservatism that I have read.

FYI: Robertson is hardly a "conservative". In fact, a lot of his political stances tend to be "center-left".

Another fact that you are overlooking is the shift in conservative thought. Back in the 1990's, Roberts and other evangelicals had a lot more sway on conservative thought then they do today. With the rise of the Tea Party we are seeing a stronger emphasis on fiscal issues instead of social issues.

Most liberal narratives about conservatives tend to be outdated in addition to being simplistic and inaccurate.
 
Gosh, which party was in control of the House and the Senate in mid 2007???

Gosh, which branch of government issues permits? :rolleyes:

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A European's Warning to America

The perils of following us toward greater regulation, higher taxes and centralized power.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703559604576176620582972608.html

By DANIEL HANNAN

On a U.S. talk-radio show recently, I was asked what I thought about the notion that Barack Obama had been born in Kenya. "Pah!" I replied. "Your president was plainly born in Brussels."
American conservatives have struggled to press the president's policies into a meaningful narrative. Is he a socialist? No, at least not in the sense of wanting the state to own key industries. Is he a straightforward New Deal big spender, in the model of FDR and LBJ? Not exactly.
My guess is that, if anything, Obama would verbalize his ideology using the same vocabulary that Eurocrats do. He would say he wants a fairer America, a more tolerant America, a less arrogant America, a more engaged America. When you prize away the cliché, what these phrases amount to are higher taxes, less patriotism, a bigger role for state bureaucracies, and a transfer of sovereignty to global institutions.
He is not pursuing a set of random initiatives but a program of comprehensive Europeanization: European health care, European welfare, European carbon taxes, European day care, European college education, even a European foreign policy, based on engagement with supranational technocracies, nuclear disarmament and a reluctance to deploy forces overseas.
No previous president has offered such uncritical support for European integration. On his very first trip to Europe as president, Mr. Obama declared, "In my view, there is no Old Europe or New Europe. There is a united Europe."
I don't doubt the sincerity of those Americans who want to copy the European model. A few may be snobs who wear their euro-enthusiasm as a badge of sophistication. But most genuinely believe that making their country less American and more like the rest of the world would make it more comfortable and peaceable.
All right, growth would be slower, but the quality of life might improve. All right, taxes would be higher, but workers need no longer fear sickness or unemployment. All right, the U.S. would no longer be the world's superpower, but perhaps that would make it more popular. Is a European future truly so terrible?
Yes. I have been an elected member of the European Parliament for 11 years. I have seen firsthand what the European political model means.
The critical difference between the American and European unions has to do with the location of power. The U.S. was founded on what we might loosely call the Jeffersonian ideal: the notion that decisions should be taken as closely as possible to the people they affect. The European Union was based on precisely the opposite ideal. Article One of its foundational treaty commits its nations to establish "an ever-closer union."
From that distinction, much follows. The U.S. has evolved a series of unique institutions designed to limit the power of the state: recall mechanisms, ballot initiatives, balanced budget rules, open primaries, localism, states' rights, term limits, the direct election of public officials from the sheriff to the school board. The EU places supreme power in the hands of 27 unelected Commissioners invulnerable to public opinion.
The will of the people is generally seen by Eurocrats as an obstacle to overcome, not a reason to change direction. When France, the Netherlands and Ireland voted against the European Constitution, the referendum results were swatted aside and the document adopted regardless. For, in Brussels, the ruling doctrine—that the nation-state must be transcended—is seen as more important than freedom, democracy or the rule of law.
This doctrine has had several malign consequences. For example, it has made the assimilation of immigrants far more difficult. Whereas the U.S. is based around the idea that anyone who buys into American values can become American, the EU clings to the notion that national identities are anachronistic and dangerous. Unsurprisingly, some newcomers, finding their adopted countries scorned, have turned to other, less apologetic identities.
The single worst aspect of Europeanization is its impact on the economy. Many Americans, and many Europeans, have a collective memory of how Europe managed to combine economic growth with social justice. Like most folk memories, the idea of a European economic miracle has some basis in fact. Between 1945 and 1974, Western Europe did outperform the U.S. Europe happened to enjoy perfect conditions for rapid growth. Infrastructure had been destroyed during the war, but an educated, industrious and disciplined work force remained.
Human nature being what it is, few European leaders attributed their success to the fact that they were recovering from an artificial low. They convinced themselves, rather, that they were responsible for their countries' growth rates. Their genius, they thought, lay in having hit upon a European "third way" between the excesses of American capitalism and the totalitarianism of Soviet communism.
We can now see where that road leads: to burgeoning bureaucracy, more spending, higher taxes, slower growth and rising unemployment. But an entire political class has grown up believing not just in the economic superiority of euro-corporatism but in its moral superiority. After all, if the American system were better—if people could thrive without government supervision—there would be less need for politicians. As Upton Sinclair once observed, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it."
Nonetheless, the economic data are pitilessly clear. For the past 40 years, Europeans have fallen further and further behind Americans in their standard of living. Europe also has become accustomed to a high level of structural unemployment. Only now, as the U.S. applies a European-style economic strategy based on fiscal stimulus, nationalization, bailouts, quantitative easing and the regulation of private-sector remuneration, has the rate of unemployment in the U.S. leaped to European levels.
Why is a European politician urging America to avoid Europeanization? As a Briton, I see the American republic as a repository of our traditional freedoms. The doctrines rooted in the common law, in the Magna Carta, and in the Bill of Rights found their fullest and most sublime expression in the old courthouse of Philadelphia. Britain, as a result of its unhappy membership in the European Union, has now surrendered a large part of its birthright. But our freedoms live on in America.
Which brings me to my country's present tragedy. The fears that the American patriot leaders had about a Hanoverian tyranny were exaggerated. The United Kingdom did not develop into an absolutist state. Power continued to pass from the Crown to the House of Commons.
Until now. Nearly two and a half centuries after the Declaration of Independence, the grievances it adumbrated are belatedly coming true. Colossal sums are being commandeered by the government in order to fund bailouts and nationalizations without any proper parliamentary authorization. Legislation happens increasingly through what are called standing orders, a device that allows ministers to make laws without parliamentary consent—often for the purpose of implementing EU standards.
How aptly the British people might today apply the ringing phrases of the Declaration of Independence against their own rulers, who have "combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws."
So you can imagine how I feel when I see the U.S. making the same mistakes that Britain has made: expanding its government, regulating private commerce, centralizing its jurisdiction, breaking the link between taxation and representation, abandoning its sovereignty.
You deserve better, cousins. And we expect better.

Mr. Hannan is a member of the European Parliament. This essay is adapted from the Encounter Books Broadside, "Why America Must Not Follow Europe."

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compshmoe
you may want to reconsider your yearning for the euromodel.
People are competitive and although born equal in rights they are not equal in talents and abilities.
All these europlans are tanamount to having the 2nd tier less talented and able servants running the country and making decisions best left to the more talented dynamic marketplace.
Our poor are not poor by world standards.
They have government handouts, solid shelter, running water, used cars, free cell phones(in NY) benefit cards, food stamps, medical care and so on.
In the rest of the developing world people are only getting to this point and are called the emerging middle class.
Our poor are as rich as the rich in India.
You think of the static equation of the euro model but the dynamics are that the euro model makes for a less wealthy country when the servants drag down the rainmakers(the business enterpreneurs) so the servants can live more comfortably.
The american culture and economic model is what produces Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Google, Facebook, Twitter,Hollywood,Steven Speilberg,George Lucas and all the others that make me proud to be an American.
 
A European's Warning to America

The perils of following us toward greater regulation, higher taxes and centralized power.

Read that article last night. GREAT article!



compshmoe
you may want to reconsider your yearning for the euromodel.
People are competitive and although born equal in rights they are not equal in talents and abilities.
All these europlans are tanamount to having the 2nd tier less talented and able servants running the country and making decisions best left to the more talented dynamic marketplace.
Our poor are not poor by world standards.
They have government handouts, solid shelter, running water, used cars, free cell phones(in NY) benefit cards, food stamps, medical care and so on.
In the rest of the developing world people are only getting to this point and are called the emerging middle class.
Our poor are as rich as the rich in India.
You think of the static equation of the euro model but the dynamics are that the euro model makes for a less wealthy country when the servants drag down the rainmakers(the business enterpreneurs) so the servants can live more comfortably.
The american culture and economic model is what produces Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Google, Facebook, Twitter,Hollywood,Steven Speilberg,George Lucas and all the others that make me proud to be an American.

Couldn't say it better myself.
 
Huh?

Hey they're just carrying on with Raegan's dream to get to point where there no more , you know, the messiah.

Is there anyone here who understands what was meant by the above mish-mash of miss-spelled, improperly punctuated garble?:confused:

Hey, Shmoo, don't start fingers operating before putting brain in gear!:rolleyes:

KS
 
Compshmoe, I take it you are avoiding any discussion of what defines modern liberal ideology at this point.

It seems pretty clear that you are focusing on "the right" and the false characterization of "the right" as simple minded religious nuts with no intellectual depth to speak of.

Of course, this overestimation of Christian dogma as defining conservative thought simply highlights your ignorance yet again.

As I said earlier, it is critical to know how things work in order to make sense of them. This applies to economic and political thought as well. Without that knowledge, it is very easy to be mislead by the emotionally appealing rhetoric and partisan narratives that dominate the news.

One of those misleading narratives is that of the "religious right". The term is never specifically defined, which should be a red flag in and of itself. The only consistent definition implicit in the media is, "whatever viewpoint is offensive to liberal sensibilities, especially with regards to social issues".

One of my political science professors taught an entire class on the "religious right" that I took and even the arguments he provided were rooted in a lot of hyperbole, vagueness and baseless assertions. I still have the textbooks.

While it is certainly true that some elements of conservatism are structured around more evangelical religious views (paleoconservatism, specifically), that is hardly what defines all conservative thought.

Goldwater conservatives, for instance, are much more libertarian in their leanings (think Ron Paul and Tea Partiers).

Of course conservatism recognizes the importance of social/moral issue but there are two facts you seem to be missing, A) this is not simply due to religious views but from deductive philosophical reasoning like all political thought, and B) recognizing the importance of social/moral issues is something EVERY ideology does.

Whether explicitly stated or not, EVERY ideology recognizing the importance of social/moral issues (and I am using ideology in the more general, non-technical term here). Modern liberalism sees it as a moral imperative to redistribute wealth in a more equitable manner and libertarianism sees it as a moral obligation to promote and not infringe on individual liberty. EVERY ideology is built on a moral argument and the implication of that is typically a moral order that government looks to direct society to conform to.

Since the moral order that libertarianism is rooted in conforms so well with human nature and is focused primarily on the individual, there is little need to force society to conform to it. With Socialism, that understanding of human nature is not realistic and the focus of the ideology treats the individual as a means to an end, hence the need to force a moral order on society in those views.

Conservatism in general does not hinge on Christian views any more then the unique form of classical liberalism that this nation was founded on hinges on it (specifically through the idea of Natural Law that this nation is founded on). In fact, some arguments for Conservatism reject any notion of a God altogether.

For instance, John Kekes, an Atheist, makes the most compelling modern argument for conservatism that I have read.

FYI: Robertson is hardly a "conservative". In fact, a lot of his political stances tend to be "center-left".

Another fact that you are overlooking is the shift in conservative thought. Back in the 1990's, Roberts and other evangelicals had a lot more sway on conservative thought then they do today. With the rise of the Tea Party we are seeing a stronger emphasis on fiscal issues instead of social issues.

Most liberal narratives about conservatives tend to be outdated in addition to being simplistic and inaccurate.

You know, you wouldn't waste your time and mine trying to explain "conservative" by looking backwards to Goldwater and crap. Look at what they and the Tea party are pushing now, the NOW where we live:
1: what is marriage
2: no gay marriage or gay unions
3: Abortion
These are the issues they are trying to shove down our throats NOW, more wedge issues and religious beliefs, NOW start by telling me what these 3 issues have to do with creating jobs and if these 3 issues aren't the same crap they bring up every election cycle just to divide the masses and lick the boots of their base.
 
Is there anyone here who understands what was meant by the above mish-mash of miss-spelled, improperly punctuated garble?:confused:

Hey, Shmoo, don't start fingers operating before putting brain in gear!:rolleyes:

KS

I figured caveman was the only thing you'd understand:p
 
Read that article last night. GREAT article!





Couldn't say it better myself.


ARE YOU HIGH?? so because our poor are equal to the poor in India it's OK?just sit back and take it up the wass?? it doesn't make a sh%t to you that the top 400 wealthy people mass the wealth of the combined bottom 150 million??
 
ARE YOU HIGH?? so because our poor are equal to the poor in India it's OK?just sit back and take it up the wass?? it doesn't make a sh%t to you that the top 400 wealthy people mass the wealth of the combined bottom 150 million??

It's our poor are equal to the rich in India:p
They also get free local tv channels in HD:D
This article is pretty interesting
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/262045/there-aren-t-enough-millionaires-kevin-d-williamson
There Aren’t Enough Millionaires
The rich can’t fund our deficits.

This may sound like a liberal parody of conservative economic thinking, but let me put it out there: America’s problem is that the rich don’t have enough money.
There, I said it. Let’s rumble.

When it comes to the Scrooge McDuck set, the problem isn’t that they’re not rich enough, it’s that there aren’t enough rich — not enough to do what liberals want to do, anyway, which is to balance the budget by increasing taxes on them. Let’s deploy some always-suspect English-major math:

There are lots of liberal definitions of “rich.” When Pres. Barack Obama talks about the rich, he’s talking about people living in households with income of more than $250,000 or more, the rarefied caviar-shoveling stratum occupied by the likes of second-tier public-broadcasting executives, Boston cops, nurses, and the city manager of Lubbock, Texas (assuming somebody in her household earns the last $25,000 to carry her over the line). Club 250K isn’t all that exclusive, and most of its members aren’t the yachts-and-expensive-mistresses types.
Nonetheless, there aren’t that many of them. In fact, in 2006, the Census Bureau found only 2.2 million households earning more than $250,000. And most of those are closer to the Lubbock city manager than to Carlos Slim, income-wise. To jump from the 50th to the 51st percentile isn’t that tough; jumping from the 96th to the 97th takes a lot of schmundo. It’s lonely at the top.
But say we wanted to balance the budget by jacking up taxes on Club 250K. That’s a problem: The 2012 deficit is forecast to hit $1.1 trillion under Obama’s budget. (Thanks, Mr. President!) Spread that deficit over all the households in Club 250K and you have to jack up their taxes by an average of $500,000. Which you simply can’t do, since a lot of them don’t have $500,000 in income to seize: Most of them are making $250,000 to $450,000 and paying about half in taxes already. You can squeeze that goose all day, but that’s not going to make it push out a golden egg.
But like certain other exclusive clubs, Club 250K has an inner sanctum, a special club within the club, the champagne room of socioeconomic status. And that is Club 1: the million-dollar-a-year club. Not the millionaires’ club — lots of the people earning $1 million in any given year do not have $1 million in assets — but, still, a million a year, even in rapidly depreciating U.S. dollars, is not too shabby. But the trouble for liberals is, Club 1 is really, really exclusive: Only 0.2 percent of U.S. households have incomes that high, meaning that there’s only about 200,000 of them. And like Club 250K, Club 1 is bottom-heavy: There are a lot more $1 million men than there are $6 million men. And there are a whole heck of a lot more $6 million men than there are $60 million men.
You want to tax Club 1 to get rid of the deficit, you have to hit each of those 200,000 households with an average tax hike — not an average tax bill, but tax increase — of $6 million. And a lot of those Club 1 households don’t have $6 million in income to start with, much less $6 million left after the taxes they’re already paying.
Every time you raise the threshold for eating the rich, you get a much, much smaller serving of meat on the plate — but the deficit stays the same. The long division gets pretty ugly. You end up chasing a revenue will-o’-the-wisp.
So, what about Lloyd Blankfein and Charlie Sheen and Tiger Woods? What about these people? You can tax the striped pants off of them, but you won’t get enough money to balance the budget. If you’re doing it, you’re probably mostly doing it because it feels good. (And, yes, that does make you a bad person.)
Correction: You can try to tax the striped pants off of them. Lloyd Blankfein and Tiger Woods and Charlie Sheen have a lot of discretion about when, where, and how they get paid. Lloyd Blankfein does not look at a pay stub every two weeks and shake his head sadly, and make sad little sighing sounds; guys like that do something about it. They move to low-tax jurisdictions. They defer. They incorporate. They set up enormous trusts to keep their ne’er-do-well nephews in boat shoes and gin and political office while avoiding taxes. They lawyer up. They will play the game, and they are better at it than you are.

So, how about taxing people who make less than $250,000? That’s probably whom you want to tax, since they are the ones who have the money (Counterintuitive, I know.) The Bush “tax cuts for the rich” cost the Treasury about $800 billion in forgone revenue; the Bush tax cuts for the middle class cost trillions – 2.2 of them, to be precise.
Repealing all of those Bush tax cuts, for rich and middle class alike, gets you about $3 trillion — over ten years. The deficit is running from a third to almost half that every year. Will not balance. Does not compute.

Just as supply-siders are naïve to think that tax cuts are going to magically empower us to grow our way out of this mess, progressives are naïve to think that there is some magically delicious pot of Lucky Charms at the end of the IRS rainbow that is going to get us out of this in some kind of obvious or straightforward fashion. No, tax cuts do not pay for themselves, but supply-side effects are real things, and jacking up tax rates to the level necessary to sustain current levels of government spending is going to have real economic consequences, some of which could in aggregate mean that you don’t collect the taxes you thought you were going to collect. This is doubly true when you already have the second-highest business-tax rate in the developed world and other significant economic challenges, like a backward K–12 education system making the work force less competitive and public infrastructure that is being neglected in favor of gimmicky political shenanigans.
Capital is sensitive — it just wants to be loved! — and it will go where the love is, where it can be fruitful and multiply. Setting trillions of dollars’ worth of it ablaze on the altar of Washington’s self-importance every year is not going to get it done, and there simply aren’t enough rich people for us to pillage or enough loot to make it all work. We have finally, as the lady predicted, run out of other people’s money.



_______________________________________________________________
You don't collect the taxes you thought you would.
It was Margret Thatcher who said about socialism that eventually you run out of other people's money.:p
America's high 35% corporate tax rate encourages companies who can do so to have their operations in foreign jurisdictions and play around with subsidiaries.
The rest of the world has a 28% or lower corporate tax rate.
This outsourcing of jobs has had a lot to do with that high corporate tax rate IMO.
If we tax the rich more we also have to tax the middle class.
That's where the money is.
I pay taxes on over 1 million in income (the top .2%) but that is because I'm an S Corp and the profit of my company is considered my personal income.
If my tax rate goes up 5% more to 50% (inc NY inc tax) it would make sense to go back to being a C Corp where the company profit is taxed at a lower rate and my income at the personal rate.
Instead of my high income I could pay myself 100k a year or even 1.00
I used my income of the last several years to pay off my building and fund my company and receivables instead of borrowing money from the bank.
If they decided to raise the SS cap a lot it would be doubly advantageous to go C Corp because someone like me with big solid assets can live on retained earnings that have been already taxed, pay a symbolic $1.00 a year salary thus paying no personal income taxes SS or Medicare.
Assets are not taxed and living off them is not taxable either.
I have enough assets to invest in capital gains that are taxed at 15% with no SS or Medicare charges.
The rich are a step ahead and will always figure out a way just as when the tax rate was 90% nobody paid that.
Until the middle class starts to pay more for what it wants from government we're not going to get anywhere hitting "the rich"
If the middle class paid their fair share of the Bush tax cuts I would be more inclined to shelve my C Corp plans.
After all you keep trumpeting the economy before the Bush tax cuts and the taxes the middle and lower class paid then made that what it was.
We can return to the good old days when everybody paid 5% more.
 
You know, you wouldn't waste your time and mine trying to explain "conservative" by looking backwards to Goldwater and crap. Look at what they and the Tea party are pushing now, the NOW where we live:
1: what is marriage
2: no gay marriage or gay unions
3: Abortion

This just further highlights your utter ignorance of what you are talking about. The aggressors in the culture war are not those looking to simply defend society's traditions, it is those looking to destroy them and rebuild society as they see fit (around the illusion of social justice).

If you want to say that conservative efforts to defend certain traditions are misguided and overreaching, that is one thing (in certain cases I would even agree with that assessment). But to imply that they are the aggressors in the culture war shows you are simply a brainwashed drone who has absolutely no clue what he is talking about.


These are the issues they are trying to shove down our throats NOW, more wedge issues and religious beliefs, NOW start by telling me what these 3 issues have to do with creating jobs and if these 3 issues aren't the same crap they bring up every election cycle just to divide the masses and lick the boots of their base.

Social and economic issue are all related. There is NO ideology that thinks otherwise (though many like to use cheap rhetoric that implies otherwise).

It is not some manipulative "issue to divide the masses", but an issue of principle.

It is rather tellin how you cannot view conservatives and conservative thought outside of the simplistic, false narratives you have been fed.
Every political community includes some members who insist that their side has all the answers and that their adversaries are idiots. But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration.
Without fail, you simply mock, dismiss and/or ignore any information that contradicts those false narratives.
 
ARE YOU HIGH?? so because our poor are equal to the poor in India it's OK?just sit back and take it up the wass?? it doesn't make a sh%t to you that the top 400 wealthy people mass the wealth of the combined bottom 150 million??

Hey, I can get outraged over irrelevant facts too. WHY ISN"T THE SKY PURPLE, DAMMIT!

Unless you can LOGICALLY and CIVILLY show how any of these income disparities are somehow relevant to the issues you are attaching them to, you only show yourself to be a mindless ideologue.

Oh, BTW, you might want to go back and reread that article as your take on it is a little off. ;)
 
As a Goldwater conservative shag and I disagree on conservatives pursuing social issues with religious conviction but the zealots are not a threat to the economy in the way huge government spending is.
I don't like their moralizing but it's not Islam(only Islam lite:p pasteurized by the constitution) and they like people like me.
 
Fair division---One horse and one rabbit is equality

As a Goldwater conservative shag and I disagree on conservatives pursuing social issues with religious conviction but the zealots are not a threat to the economy in the way huge government spending is.
I don't like their moralizing but it's not Islam(only Islam lite:p pasteurized by the constitution) and they like people like me.

And besides, you're a !@#$%$#@! cap-PIT-ul-ist so you are to be segregated from the pure-n-wonderful who espouse equality. Their dime and your dollar equals ninety-five cents for them to spread around and leaves a fifty percent increase for the pure.:rolleyes: (You don't get to keep ANY!!)

KS
 

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