Dodge just doesn't have the fire it used to...

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Screen capture of a video I took today. And no, I had nothing to do with the fire.

I'm thinking stuck brake caliper. Guesses?

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Who cares it a dodge, my first guess would be incindiary gernade or API round, but you said you had nothing to do with it....Maybe god does have a sense of hummor
 
Too those of you who don't have kind words for the Dodge brand , that may be because you have never owned the best dammed dodge truck out there.
I bought this 2003 Dakota R/T new in August of 2002.
It has been a very dependable work and play vehicle.
The one thing that really convienced me at the time of purchase was it's performance.
That 5.9 really screams.
As for looks and style, I would be hard pressed to find a better looking truck.
The odometer just turned 41,000 miles.
I have done the routien maint on the vehicle, and nothing unexpected has happened to it since I took delivery.
This example of the Dodge name may well be the exception too the rule but, I call um as I see them, and this one has been outstanding.
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Bob.
 
Well Sir...

I DO own a 2006 3/4 ton Dodge with a 5.9. Well, one of the companies I'm a 50% partner in does, anyway.

The 5.9 Cummins motor is a brute. No complaints there. As a matter of fact, once my F450 turns 100K miles, we're yanking the Powerstroke motor and slapping in either a 5.9 ISB or an old school mechanical 5.9 and mate it to an allison 9 speed manual.

But the Dodge body is a joke. It's lasted less than 30K miles on dirt roads. Currently, the truck is a rattle trap. Everything on is rattles, the doors don't seal up properly, the dashboard is coming loose, the passenger's side window motor failed at less than 30K miles on the clock (again, the PASSENGER side window, which isn't used on a daily basis), the seats bolts are coming loose from their mounts, and on, and on.

Now, we're looking at buying a FORD to replace the 3/4 ton. F450 of F550. Why? All jokes about the Powerstroke aside, FORD builds a solid chasis and cab. And in all reality, I really haven't had major problems with the 6.4 in my truck.... running a 210HP tune. Dodge lucked out with getting the Cummins motor. That's what makes that truck. But the rest of the truck... pile of junk.

Now, I'm sure you've had plenty of luck with your Dakota. And I'm sure it's a "hard worker". But the places our trucks go? Your dakota's body will last less than 30K miles before you'll feel like the doors are going to fall off on the freeway.

Alas, I fear the Dodge vs Chevy vs FORD war will never end.

To the defense of the flaming Dodge I saw today? could have happened to any vehicle.
 
Well Sir...

I DO own a 2006 3/4 ton Dodge with a 5.9. Well, one of the companies I'm a 50% partner in does, anyway.

The 5.9 Cummins motor is a brute. No complaints there. As a matter of fact, once my F450 turns 100K miles, we're yanking the Powerstroke motor and slapping in either a 5.9 ISB or an old school mechanical 5.9 and mate it to an allison 9 speed manual.

But the Dodge body is a joke. It's lasted less than 30K miles on dirt roads. Currently, the truck is a rattle trap. Everything on is rattles, the doors don't seal up properly, the dashboard is coming loose, the passenger's side window motor failed at less than 30K miles on the clock (again, the PASSENGER side window, which isn't used on a daily basis), the seats bolts are coming loose from their mounts, and on, and on.

Now, we're looking at buying a FORD to replace the 3/4 ton. F450 of F550. Why? All jokes about the Powerstroke aside, FORD builds a solid chasis and cab. And in all reality, I really haven't had major problems with the 6.4 in my truck.... running a 210HP tune. Dodge lucked out with getting the Cummins motor. That's what makes that truck. But the rest of the truck... pile of junk.

Now, I'm sure you've had plenty of luck with your Dakota. And I'm sure it's a "hard worker". But the places our trucks go? Your dakota's body will last less than 30K miles before you'll feel like the doors are going to fall off on the freeway.

Alas, I fear the Dodge vs Chevy vs FORD war will never end.

To the defense of the flaming Dodge I saw today? could have happened to any vehicle.

I have a buddy that I have discussed many a time of pulling his PS in favor of a cummings... the ONLY positive about Dodge...

Ford SD's are the sh!t plain and simple...

Nuff said
 
I'm thinking stuck brake caliper. Guesses?
we actually had a kid last week have his towed in, except he didn't ignite the tire. burnt the brake line, etc. wheel bearing went south and just about took everything. he didn't notice until he slowed down to change roads on the highway. thats when he noticed he had no brakes. once it showed up at the shop it became obvious by the camber on the bad side.
 
Well Sir...

I DO own a 2006 3/4 ton Dodge with a 5.9. Well, one of the companies I'm a 50% partner in does, anyway.

The 5.9 Cummins motor is a brute. No complaints there. As a matter of fact, once my F450 turns 100K miles, we're yanking the Powerstroke motor and slapping in either a 5.9 ISB or an old school mechanical 5.9 and mate it to an allison 9 speed manual.

But the Dodge body is a joke. It's lasted less than 30K miles on dirt roads. Currently, the truck is a rattle trap. Everything on is rattles, the doors don't seal up properly, the dashboard is coming loose, the passenger's side window motor failed at less than 30K miles on the clock (again, the PASSENGER side window, which isn't used on a daily basis), the seats bolts are coming loose from their mounts, and on, and on.

Now, we're looking at buying a FORD to replace the 3/4 ton. F450 of F550. Why? All jokes about the Powerstroke aside, FORD builds a solid chasis and cab. And in all reality, I really haven't had major problems with the 6.4 in my truck.... running a 210HP tune. Dodge lucked out with getting the Cummins motor. That's what makes that truck. But the rest of the truck... pile of junk.

Now, I'm sure you've had plenty of luck with your Dakota. And I'm sure it's a "hard worker". But the places our trucks go? Your dakota's body will last less than 30K miles before you'll feel like the doors are going to fall off on the freeway.

Alas, I fear the Dodge vs Chevy vs FORD war will never end.

To the defense of the flaming Dodge I saw today? could have happened to any vehicle.

Don't the bigger "commercial" F series trucks have the Cummins?
 
Too those of you who don't have kind words for the Dodge brand , that may be because you have never owned the best dammed dodge truck out there.
I bought this 2003 Dakota R/T new in August of 2002.
It has been a very dependable work and play vehicle.
The one thing that really convienced me at the time of purchase was it's performance.
That 5.9 really screams.
As for looks and style, I would be hard pressed to find a better looking truck.
The odometer just turned 41,000 miles.
I have done the routien maint on the vehicle, and nothing unexpected has happened to it since I took delivery.
This example of the Dodge name may well be the exception too the rule but, I call um as I see them, and this one has been outstanding.
mvc013svi5uk.jpg

Bob.

Under 6000 miles a year any vehicle seems to be reliable! Now take my FORD RANGER 236,000 miles in 7 yrs, Only changed brakes, NOW THATS RELIABLE!
 
Don't the bigger "commercial" F series trucks have the Cummins?

You can get a Cummins or a Kitty Cat in the F650 from the factory. The beauty of the 450/550/650 is that they share the same frame, which is different from the 250/350.

The 250 and 350 frame is 6.8mm, and the 450+ is 7.1mm thick. I know, it doesn't sound like much, but it adds a lot of strength. places where my F250 would "twist" and I'd hear creaks, the 450 doesn't even notice. It's also a little wider in the rear under the bed.

The other beauty of the 450 is that since it shares the same frame as the 650, the cummins and cat motor mount brackets are already welded on the frame, so there's no cutting and welding new motor mount brackets involved in swapping motors, like there would be in the 250/350 frames.

It's literally a matter of yanking out the powerstroke and dropping in a cummins. (Electronics not withstanding).

And correction, it's a one ton not a 3/4 ton Dodge that we have.
 
Too those of you who don't have kind words for the Dodge brand , that may be because you have never owned the best dammed dodge truck out there.
I bought this 2003 Dakota R/T new in August of 2002.
It has been a very dependable work and play vehicle.
The one thing that really convienced me at the time of purchase was it's performance.
That 5.9 really screams.
As for looks and style, I would be hard pressed to find a better looking truck.
The odometer just turned 41,000 miles.
I have done the routien maint on the vehicle, and nothing unexpected has happened to it since I took delivery.
This example of the Dodge name may well be the exception too the rule but, I call um as I see them, and this one has been outstanding.
mvc013svi5uk.jpg

Bob.

Nice R/T Bob. Glad to see I'm not the only R/T fan here. I'd have to agree and disagree w/ your assessments though:

I purchased my '99 CC-R/T used w/ < 8,000 miles in 9/99 (it had been on the road for nearly a year by then). I too was attracted to it's power AND handling. I have driven 2nd-Gen Lightnings and the only thing they offered above the R/T was acceleration. Handling was not as responsive as the R/T IMO. Plus, the R/T w/ the club-cab could seat 5 passengers, necessary for my family. The scrawny step-side box of the L doesn't hold as much as the Dakota's box. Overall I'm very happy w/ my R/T, I added a shaker hood w/ CAI, Mopar PCM, 180 T-stat, TransGo shift kit and fatter Nitto NT-450 tires (275-50-17) and this thing is a blast to drive. With the 3.90 rear posi, it comes off the line with authority and stays in front of or even with almost anything on the road, usually barking the tires on the 1-2 shift. It does require feathering the throttle though, if you tromp it off the line it'll just spin until it shifts to 2nd. Knowing that 13 sec 1/4 mile times are only headers, throttle-body and intake away (~$1500) is comforting. My MTX Thunderform under the rear seat and a 600W amp under the passenger seat gives it more boom than is necessary. I just put a 2nd set of Nittos on it at ~65,000 miles.

However, I didn't buy a truck to not use it as a truck. I've beat on it routinely, and it's showing its share of wear and tear. The tailgate is dented from a vertical compressor falling on it during transport (lesson on tying down learned), and I broke the rear glass with the same compressor standing the b!tch back up (not one of my better days). The front fender is dented from me dropping a drain snake off a roof, and the passenger door handle / nearby sheetmetal was damaged from a break-in attempt. It IS my winter beater so my toys stay dry in the garage. Until I moved last year, it sat outside year-round. As a result, the notoriously poor Dodge black paint has lost alot of it's clear-coat on the roof, bed rails and spots along the front fenders, so it's looking pretty ragged now. The front bumper was badly stone-chipped when I purchased it, and my neglect has resulted in pretty bad rust there. However, the underbody and sheet metal are still very solid.

Nearly ALL '97-'03 Dakotas & Durangos were plagued by ball-joint issues. Just before the recall came out, mine had gone bad enough they needed replacement. Knowing that control arm bushings were also eventually going to be iffy (especially on the passenger side which is closer to the hot exhaust manifolds), I pulled the control arms off myself and installed Polygraphite bushings and Moog greasable ball joints. I also eventually had to replace the control arm links as one broke years later. Too bad the recall came out AFTER I had this work done.

Dodge also had a recall / TSB on the intake "belly" gasket and rear brake line routing, both of which were resoved by the dealer for free. The CAT also went bad at 27K, replaced free under warranty. I also had to replace a trans speed sensor at ~45K.

Brakes were another issue. Rear drums are still original, but the front disks became warped at about 26K miles. I put on Powerslots and Stillen pads, but they suffered the same fate at about 45K. I had my original rotors turned, and when installing new pads I noticed the guides on the one side were not perfectly parallel and resulted in pinching the pads, not allowing them to move freely which resulted in a "wedge" wear pattern on the pads (I had noticed this on the original pads as well, but didn't realize what the problem was at the time). So I fixed this by grinding the backing plates on the new pads to ensure they'd slide freely on the guides. So far, these brakes are holding up fine.

At about 50K I noticed the trans shifting a little wierd, pauses / slips between gears. I figured it needed a fluid/filter change and decided I'd try tacking this myself, slipping in a shift kit while I had it appart. Shift kit went in fine and it shifted great....... for about 2 weeks. Then reverse went away. I took it to a tranny shop and found that the reverse servo had broken (not related to the shift kit). Apparently this is the 45RE's weak spot. They rebuilt the trans completely, new friction parts and all. But the sting of a trans failure at only 50K still leaves me sour.

Overall, I'm still very happy w/ my R/T. It's served me well, and with the exception of the trans rebuild, has only given me minor / relatively inexpensive problems. That's not to say Dodge doesn't have it's quality faults. I just recently discovered the heater core is oozing and I'm not looking forward to that ~$500 repair bill. However I'm planning on keeping it for a while.

I have been looking at what is out there in the new truck market now. NOTHING that comes close to the R/T. The only thing remotely "sport truckish" is the V8 '09-'10 Chevy Colorados / GMC Canyons, and they are too small and ugly, and are not any faster than my R/T. I don't want or need a full-size truck either, they are all too tall to fit under my garage door (lowered ~1ft to make room for my toys on the top of my lift in the adjacent space........ the R/T's antenna brushes the door when I pull it in, LOL). Even the new Dakotas are too tall, AND ugly. If Dodge would come out w/ a 6.1L Hemi-powered Dakota that's lowered like the R/Ts, I'd be all over it despite it's ugliness. So in that respect, I have to somewhat agree w/ the title of this thread, the "Fire" has gone out of Dodge (and the factory sport truck market in general....... have you seen the new Ford Raptor????? :yuck: )
 
Johnny, It sound like you have done a sh!tload of mods to your R/T.
When I bought mine, it was a vehicle I had wanted since I saw my first R/T in 1998.
Iknew I had to have one.
I traded in a 97 Dakota sport 6 banger when I bought the R/T.
The one thing I knew for sure once I had it parked in my yard was, it was going to be well cared for, and NEVER abused, despite using it for work.
Over the years, I have been very careful where it is parked when going to shopping centers and home improvement stores and take time when loading and unloading materials I use in my business.
The only problem I have had with it was one of the center caps flew off one day on the freeway, and replacement was $50.00
Rather than loose another, I removed the remaining three until I came up with a way to "anchor" them to the wheel so I would never loose another.
It has worked great for three years now.
The truck really doesn't have isues with bad weather here in So Cal like the rest of the country so, the finish is better looking than it was when it was new.
It gets wiped down just about everyday and waxed twice a year.
It has never, and WILL never see a car wash.
Spending ten minutes a day keeps it looking like this.
As for mods, none, it is completely the way it was the day I bought it.
I only added sheepskin seat covers to protect the original seat material.
I replaced the tires because I hate goodyear tires.
They were noiusy, and wore terribly.
I'M running Falkins and luv um.
I would like a shaker hood, but now I'M gettin a little old for those kind of mods.
I am getting ready to replace the audio though.
I never liked the system, and now that it has a blown speaker, it's time to get a whole new system.
I am quite sure this truck will be with me for many years to come.
As for the Ford Raptor, it is super ugly.
Way too boxy looking for my taste.
I'LL stick with what I got.
Bob.
 
I thought that was a factory feature on those?

Never ridden in a dodge that everything electrical related worked...
 
Bob,
I'll post a pic of my shaker when I find one, my R/T is black w/ red lettering and the shaker is red w/ black letters (same font as the "Dakota" on the doors) that say " 'Kota 360 ". :D

I forgot to mention I added an alarm w/ power door locks and remote start after the break-in attempt. I also had a blown speaker in the door that I just recently replaced.

My trade was a crusty old '84 Nissan "King Cab" PU that I got as a winter beater back in '97 when I purchased my (since traded) '94 Z28 'vert. I paid $800 for that truck and the Dodge dealer gave me $2300 for it when I traded it for the R/T (at the time the R/Ts were suffering backlash from the tow rating fiasco, so they were glad to unload it on me).

I used to Zaino my R/T twice a year, but sitting outside year-round under the trees w/ crap falling on it all the time made it tough to keep it clean. Zaino didn't seem to keep the clearcoat from thinning out, and once large bare spots got exposed, I lost interest in caring for the paint as much. That and having a daughter in '02 used up alot of the extra spare time I had. I should also mention that alot of my spare time was spent fixing my wife's '00 Lincoln LS (coil packs, valve cover gaskets, window regulators, door handle) that we eventually traded for an '07 300C.

Like you, I plan on holding onto my R/T until something better comes along. If that doesn't happen, I'll probably repaint it and keep it forever. We looked at '02 Harley Davidson F150s once as a potential trade, but after driving one it felt like a boat compared to the R/T, and not much faster.

BTW, love your chrome rims, wish they had those on the '99s. I've often dreamed of putting 20" chrome factory-looking rims on my truck, but can't justify expenses on upgrades that are purely cosmetic (at least the shaker provided a CAI which helped performance quite a bit). :cool:
 
Johnny, I just bought a new digital camera, and I took some pics of the R/T.
Of the ones I took, I really like this one .
The lighting was great, and even though it was under it's carport, I still think it is a great pic.

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Bob
 
Nice. Here's pics of my R/T after I added the shaker (back when the paint was still nice)....

The guy who designed and first produced these shaker hoods is up in Avilla (a few miles north of where I work). He eventually sold the design to Keystone who produces them now, although it's reported to be of "compromized quality" compared to the originals. First time I saw his yellow R/T (which had been in many magazines) going down the road I knew I had to have one. Had a buddy paint the hood and scoop in another friend's garage and mounted it myself. I added the grills myself, and designed the lettering which was "stickerized" at a local decal shop and was put on under the clear.

Good luck w/ your R/T, Bob.

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Too those of you who don't have kind words for the Dodge brand , that may be because you have never owned the best dammed dodge truck out there.
I bought this 2003 Dakota R/T new in August of 2002.
It has been a very dependable work and play vehicle.
The one thing that really convienced me at the time of purchase was it's performance.
That 5.9 really screams.
As for looks and style, I would be hard pressed to find a better looking truck.
The odometer just turned 41,000 miles.
I have done the routien maint on the vehicle, and nothing unexpected has happened to it since I took delivery.
This example of the Dodge name may well be the exception too the rule but, I call um as I see them, and this one has been outstanding.
mvc013svi5uk.jpg

Bob.


BWAHAHAHHA!!!

the 5.9L R/T?

what a fail sled... I remember running against a CAI/exhaust one at the track and it ran a 15.9... they look good on paper, that's about it... if you think the 5.9L in that truck "screams" you need your head checked

also, the harley davidson F150 IS a superior AND faster truck compared to the R/T.. you just didn't look at the right model

supercharged 5.4L w/ forged bottom end > N/A 5.9L that barely clocks 15's... plus it's one thing to spend thousands to swap your heads, cam and intake out for the "potential" to run 13's depending on supporting mods... it's another thing to spend 400 bucks on a tuned pulley swap and run high 12's in a full sized supercharged quad cab
 
With the 3.90 rear posi, it comes off the line with authority and stays in front of or even with almost anything on the road, usually barking the tires on the 1-2 shift.

there is so much fail in this sentence I don't even know where to begin... with your simple mods you are lucky if you have a mid-high 14 second truck that traps 95MPH, there are stock japanese family sedans that would run right next to you xD

Knowing that 13 sec 1/4 mile times are only headers, throttle-body and intake away (~$1500) is comforting. My MTX Thunderform under the rear seat and a 600W amp under the passenger seat gives it more boom than is necessary. I just put a 2nd set of Nittos on it at ~65,000 miles.

with the consistent times I see from these trucks... 13's are farther away than that my friend

it will take a higher stall and full bolt on's piled on top of slicks to brush 13's... either that or nitrous

IMO they are the biggest disappointment I have ever seen in a sports truck... and engine
 
BWAHAHAHHA!!!

the 5.9L R/T?

what a fail sled... I remember running against a CAI/exhaust one at the track and it ran a 15.9... they look good on paper, that's about it... if you think the 5.9L in that truck "screams" you need your head checked

also, the harley davidson F150 IS a superior AND faster truck compared to the R/T.. you just didn't look at the right model

supercharged 5.4L w/ forged bottom end > N/A 5.9L that barely clocks 15's... plus it's one thing to spend thousands to swap your heads, cam and intake out for the "potential" to run 13's depending on supporting mods... it's another thing to spend 400 bucks on a tuned pulley swap and run high 12's in a full sized supercharged quad cab


You... do realize that most people buy trucks to haul stuff, not to run them at the track, yes?

Sure, there are tons of people tracking their trucks, but... they are still trucks. That's like buying a 2 door coupe to tow a trailer behind it. Can it be done? Sure. Is everyone doing it? Nope. Or, like using a Bobtail semi tractor to go get groceries. I am guilty of this. But I didn't buy the damned thing.
 
You... do realize that most people buy trucks to haul stuff, not to run them at the track, yes?

you should go to the track more often, you would sh!t you pants with the trucks you see...

YouTube- TBSS Wheelie

times have changed with what trucks & SUV's "should" be doing... take the JGC SRT8 for instance, if you know about the application at all.... good luck towing anything lol, mother f*cker was set up for straight up dragging, it's not even possible to tow a damn thing without a special exhaust re-route kit bought through dodge

also, the dakota R/T isn't exactly a hauler and in their time were bought AND ADVERTISED as "go fast" trucks but the owners were severely disappointed in the results

in the grand scheme of thing a dakota R/T was meant to run the 1/4 mile and track... it looked very good on paper, both in power and torque, but struggled to pull anything metter than high 15's in stock form while lightnings were pulling mid 13's

hell, the new Escalade pulls mid-high 14's in stock trim now lol
 

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