Demise of the Dollar.

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Exclusive report by Robert Fiskhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
The demise of the dollar

In a graphic illustration of the new world order, Arab states have launched secret moves with China, Russia and France to stop using the US currency for oil trading
Tuesday, 6 October 2009


In the most profound financial change in recent Middle East history, Gulf Arabs are planning – along with China, Russia, Japan and France – to end dollar dealings for oil, moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar.

Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars.

The plans, confirmed to The Independent by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong, may help to explain the sudden rise in gold prices, but it also augurs an extraordinary transition from dollar markets within nine years.

The Americans, who are aware the meetings have taken place – although they have not discovered the details – are sure to fight this international cabal which will include hitherto loyal allies Japan and the Gulf Arabs. Against the background to these currency meetings, Sun Bigan, China's former special envoy to the Middle East, has warned there is a risk of deepening divisions between China and the US over influence and oil in the Middle East. "Bilateral quarrels and clashes are unavoidable," he told the Asia and Africa Review. "We cannot lower vigilance against hostility in the Middle East over energy interests and security."

This sounds like a dangerous prediction of a future economic war between the US and China over Middle East oil – yet again turning the region's conflicts into a battle for great power supremacy. China uses more oil incrementally than the US because its growth is less energy efficient. The transitional currency in the move away from dollars, according to Chinese banking sources, may well be gold. An indication of the huge amounts involved can be gained from the wealth of Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar who together hold an estimated $2.1 trillion in dollar reserves.

The decline of American economic power linked to the current global recession was implicitly acknowledged by the World Bank president Robert Zoellick. "One of the legacies of this crisis may be a recognition of changed economic power relations," he said in Istanbul ahead of meetings this week of the IMF and World Bank. But it is China's extraordinary new financial power – along with past anger among oil-producing and oil-consuming nations at America's power to interfere in the international financial system – which has prompted the latest discussions involving the Gulf states.

Brazil has shown interest in collaborating in non-dollar oil payments, along with India. Indeed, China appears to be the most enthusiastic of all the financial powers involved, not least because of its enormous trade with the Middle East.

China imports 60 per cent of its oil, much of it from the Middle East and Russia. The Chinese have oil production concessions in Iraq – blocked by the US until this year – and since 2008 have held an $8bn agreement with Iran to develop refining capacity and gas resources. China has oil deals in Sudan (where it has substituted for US interests) and has been negotiating for oil concessions with Libya, where all such contracts are joint ventures.

Furthermore, Chinese exports to the region now account for no fewer than 10 per cent of the imports of every country in the Middle East, including a huge range of products from cars to weapon systems, food, clothes, even dolls. In a clear sign of China's growing financial muscle, the president of the European Central Bank, Jean-Claude Trichet, yesterday pleaded with Beijing to let the yuan appreciate against a sliding dollar and, by extension, loosen China's reliance on US monetary policy, to help rebalance the world economy and ease upward pressure on the euro.

Ever since the Bretton Woods agreements – the accords after the Second World War which bequeathed the architecture for the modern international financial system – America's trading partners have been left to cope with the impact of Washington's control and, in more recent years, the hegemony of the dollar as the dominant global reserve currency.

The Chinese believe, for example, that the Americans persuaded Britain to stay out of the euro in order to prevent an earlier move away from the dollar. But Chinese banking sources say their discussions have gone too far to be blocked now. "The Russians will eventually bring in the rouble to the basket of currencies," a prominent Hong Kong broker told The Independent. "The Brits are stuck in the middle and will come into the euro. They have no choice because they won't be able to use the US dollar."

Chinese financial sources believe President Barack Obama is too busy fixing the US economy to concentrate on the extraordinary implications of the transition from the dollar in nine years' time. The current deadline for the currency transition is 2018.

The US discussed the trend briefly at the G20 summit in Pittsburgh; the Chinese Central Bank governor and other officials have been worrying aloud about the dollar for years. Their problem is that much of their national wealth is tied up in dollar assets.

"These plans will change the face of international financial transactions," one Chinese banker said. "America and Britain must be very worried. You will know how worried by the thunder of denials this news will generate."

Iran announced late last month that its foreign currency reserves would henceforth be held in euros rather than dollars. Bankers remember, of course, what happened to the last Middle East oil producer to sell its oil in euros rather than dollars. A few months after Saddam Hussein trumpeted his decision, the Americans and British invaded Iraq.
 
Nowhere is it written that the American Empire goes on forever.
We have only ourselves to blame for being eventually outmanouvered by leaner more disciplined nations who are only looking out for their own best interests.
Uncle Sam is an "old man" the rest of the world doesn't want to support him any more.
 
Nowhere is it written that the American Empire goes on forever.
We have only ourselves to blame for being eventually outmanouvered by leaner more disciplined nations who are only looking out for their own best interests.
Uncle Sam is an "old man" the rest of the world doesn't want to support him any more.

That is exceedingly callous and suggests a naivete about what this would do and how it came about...
 
That is exceedingly callous and suggests a naivete about what this would do and how it came about...

It's realistic.
Do you think the rest of the world really wants to help us carry the 500,000.00 per household debt (mostly for Medicare and Social Security hense the "old man" tag) that is the American nation?

This is how it came about.

We're only barely 5% of the world's population and no longer 50% of the world economy.
There are limits to American exceptionalism and we are quickly running up against them.
 
There are limits to American exceptionalism and we are quickly running up against them.

I agree. The policies of the past century, currently being intensified right now. are not sustainable and will destroy this country.

The "socialism" that some here like to extol is not sustainable. We had the luxury of emerging from WW2 as the only dominant economic power in the world. It was a unique economic situation that provided us the ability to indulge all of the harmful leftist programs.

Detroit was doing fine with the UAW- UNTIL viable competition emerged from Europe and Japan.

If we don't take pause right now and examine what our government is doing, we will destroy the engine of our economy and there won't be any easy fix for it.

I still don't think it's too late, but it's getting desperately close.
 
I agree. The policies of the past century, currently being intensified right now. are not sustainable and will destroy this country.

The "socialism" that some here like to extol is not sustainable. We had the luxury of emerging from WW2 as the only dominant economic power in the world. It was a unique economic situation that provided us the ability to indulge all of the harmful leftist programs.

Detroit was doing fine with the UAW- UNTIL viable competition emerged from Europe and Japan.

If we don't take pause right now and examine what our government is doing, we will destroy the engine of our economy and there won't be any easy fix for it.

I still don't think it's too late, but it's getting desperately close.


In your opinion what does our gov need to do? I know its a complex problem and their is no single answer.For starters maybe a higher tax on imported products will leval the playing field so American based companies can compete better?
 
June 13, 2009 article.
Sorry I missed that when you posted it.
 
makes me wish I was in Europe...
Things aren't going so well over there either.

And it's not over here, yet.
However, we need to radical change in D.C.- and the people in power now, and they are on both sides of the aisle, aren't willing to do it.
And this President and those around him are an absolute disaster. I don't doubt that many of his "advisers" are anxious to see a crash.

good thing I never sold my gold/silver :-D
It's good to hold on to.
 
ya, i even decided to ditch the 401k program with my spa to invest it into actual silver/gold
 
well my guess is that people might, just MIGHT start thinking for themselves as well as their children's futures...the government should be producted by the people, for the people. Not run by the wealthy, taunted by the weathly, and stripped by the weathly. Funny how it's the Axis powers that got the second bill of rights that Rosevelt wanted to put into power before he died but people I know get chafted. I blame the people for not being smarter, but I always blame the government for they should know better. A country shouldn't be run on lies..it should be run on truth and liberty...I feel like stealing the statue of liberty and running to another country with it that actually shows LIBERTY and JUSTICE.

Hell the richer can get away with so much crime but my brother has to go to federal prison for 2 years for selling steroids to HIV/AIDS patients who were denied treatement for their HIV/AIDS
 
Pete, you're absolutely all over the place.
And you're way off base.

The 2nd Bill of Rights would not have been a good thing.
Nor are the programs enacted with that mindset even sustainable.

Government isn't the answer.
Centralizing all of the power in Washington, D.C. is not the answer.
Expanding the power and role of the government in our lives is not the answer.

Roosevelt is an example of the FAILED progressive policies of the last century. And many of them were embraced by Democrats AND Republicans. They did not work. And they are the source of many of the problems we're experiencing or about to experience now.
 
but yet they worked for the countries that they were inact? europe already has climbed quite well out of the economic sh*thole
 
but yet they worked for the countries that they were inact?
No, they haven't worked there either.

europe already has climbed quite well out of the economic sh*thole
No, Europe hasn't climbed out of the "sh!thole either.

But, using your logic, how could massive social spending solve anything when the problem being discussed is bankruptcy. We, the United States, can't afford any more. It's not sustainable. We're broke because of the spending and monetary policies of the past century.
 
Investors cling to gold as prices surge
By Javier Blas in London
Published: October 7 2009 20:11

Gold prices continued to surge on Wednesday, hitting a fresh record close to $1,050 a troy ounce as investors bet that trading momentum would push the precious metal still higher.

Barclays Capital said gold prices, which have risen 10.3 per cent since the end of August, could run to as high as $1,500 an ounce if previous technical trading patterns were extrapolated.

Read the rest of the article here
 
then there's the silver too. which i bought when the stock market collapsed and it was close to 10buck an ounce
 
that's okay. apparently everyone did.
There's some really important information in that article.
More pieces to the puzzle that are hidden from us:

Hank Paulson was the (secretary of the treasury):
Hank Paulson of Goldman Sachs steered its central bank into higher-yielding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac securities, explaining that these were de facto public obligations. They collapsed in 2008, but at least the US Government took these two mortgagelending agencies over, formally adding their $5.2 trillion in obligations onto the national debt. In fact, it was largely foreign official investment that prompted the bailout. Imposing a loss for foreign official agencies would have broken the Treasury-bill standard then and there, not only by utterly destroying US credibility but because there simply are too few Governme bonds to absorb the dollars being flooded into the world economy by the soaring US balance-of-payments deficits.
 
Treasury Prices Fall On Weaker-Than-Expected 30-Yr Bond Auction
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091008-711428.html?mod=rss_Bonds

I wonder if the fed is going to buy them back again?

well the feds cause f*k themselves cause I bought all my silver from the Canadian treasury department. I love my investments. I REALLY wanted one of those canadian maple leafs that are .99999 Fine! they sweet!

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i don't think many comprehend the grave relevance of foriegn trading partners using their own or a new common monetary currency. it means every ones money can now float based on it's real value, instead of a false value to keep losses to a minimum. everything will no longer be solely traded as a comparative american value. which means the american dollar will be set to take it's true value in the world market.
and with climbing deficits, it's gonna be scary.

tha's why raw minerals is a universal trading device.
 
Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

By PAUL THARP
Last Updated: 3:16 AM, October 13, 2009
Posted: 1:44 AM, October 13, 2009

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/dollar_loses_reserve_status_to_yen_hFyfwvpBW1YYLykSJwTTEL

Ben Bernanke's dollar crisis went into a wider mode yesterday as the greenback was shockingly upstaged by the euro and yen, both of which can lay claim to the world title as the currency favored by central banks as their reserve currency.
Over the last three months, banks put 63 percent of their new cash into euros and yen -- not the greenbacks -- a nearly complete reversal of the dollar's onetime dominance for reserves, according to Barclays Capital. The dollar's share of new cash in the central banks was down to 37 percent -- compared with two-thirds a decade ago.
Currently, dollars account for about 62 percent of the currency reserve at central banks -- the lowest on record, said the International Monetary Fund.
Bernanke could go down in economic history as the man who killed the greenback on the operating table. After printing up trillions of new dollars and new bonds to stimulate the US economy, the Federal Reserve chief is now boxed into a corner battling two separate monsters that could devour the economy -- ravenous inflation on one hand, and a perilous recession on the other.
"He's in a crisis worse than the meltdown ever was," said Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital. "I fear that he could be the Fed chairman who brought down the whole thing."
Investors and central banks are snubbing dollars because the greenback is kept too weak by zero interest rates and a flood of greenbacks in the global economy.
They grumble that they've loaned the US record amounts to cover its mounting debt, but are getting paid back by a currency that's worth 10 percent less in the past three months alone. In a decade, it's down nearly one-third.
Yesterday, the dollar had a mixed performance, falling slightly against the British pound to $1.5801 from $1.5846 Friday, but rising against the euro to $1.4779 from $1.4709 and against the yen to 89.85 yen from 89.78.
Economists believe the market rebellion against the dollar will spread until Bernanke starts raising interest rates from around zero to the high single digits, and pulls back the flood of currency spewed from US printing presses.
"That's a cure, but it's also going to stifle any US economic growth," said Schiff. "The economy is addicted to the cheap interest and liquidity."
Economists warn that a jump in rates will clobber stocks and cripple the already stalled housing market.
"Bernanke's other choice is to keep rates at zero, print even more money and sell more debt, but we'll see triple-digit inflation that could collapse the economy as we know it.
"The stimulus is what's toxic -- we're poisoning ourselves and the global economy with it."
 
Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

All of these new policies and programs being proposed right now are unsustainable.

It doesn't even matter if they are good, of they'd be nice to have...
Frankly, it doesn't even matter that they aren't constitutional...

WE CAN NOT AFFORD THEM. We can't afford socialism.
No large country can, indefinitely.
 
We can't afford socialism.
No large country can, indefinitely.

Ironic then that communist China holds 45% of our debt and the Euro is backed by socialist european countries.

I'll agree with you that it defies logic a country can continue to borrow and spend and throw away more money than it takes in indefinately
 

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