FASTLLS
Dedicated LVC Member
I think that we're the ones that need to "give it up." You can argue with a brick wall as long as you want to, but it will only wear you down, not the wall.
it doesnt have to take hours if the tuner is well equipped and has done that type of vehicle many times and has a great base map to start with, but yes i agree 100% that a from scratch tune can easily take 10+ hours depending on the car, modifications and what not.
I guess I should have taken Joe's advise the first time around.. My last words..
All cars are different.. Elevations are different.. How/why a person drives their car is different.. There can be a base tune but, in almost every case, doesn't get you maximum output.. Max output can only be provided after lots of tuning..