I don't know Mr Drew's motives - however, I always question hearsay...
You don't know his motives, but when it's convenient you're more than eager to ascribe negative attributes to them.
And yes, I do think he is going for his 15 minutes of fame - and no MSM won't be covering this - or even Fox - because of the validity issue.
So what you're saying is that he isn't going to get any "fame," your acutely aware of this, yet you made the charge anyway.
One of the other people at the dinner said
this...
“If that’s what John Drew said, that’s what he (Drew) said,” Chandoo commented. “I can’t remember Obama ever talking like that. It sounds a bit absurd to me, but that’s my opinion. I can’t remember him ever expressing an interest in being a Marxist.”
It sounds absurd that a man who's parents were communists, who was mentored by the communist Frank Marshal Davis, and clearly states in his autobiography that he "chose (his) friends carefully...The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos.
The Marxist professors and structural feminists."
This sounds absurd, and you quote it?
Heck, Drew even states he held Marxist's views at the time, obviously he 'saw the light' - right Cal?
I don't know if he did or not, he certainly could have.
Are you now arguing that Obama saw the light and has wholly rejected all Marxist philosophy?
and suddenly he is the expert on Obama's Marxist's leanings?
Are you arguing that Obama didn't embrace Marxist philosophy while in college? You're making excuses and distractions, but despite all of these words, you're not really addressing the point.
It is internet wild fire - and should be treated as such.
No, it's not.
It's not an isolated piece of information, it's an additional piece of information that continues to demonstrate and confirm the unspoken, unexplored, President's political identity.
Mencken had a good quote that with just a small change (used to say newspaper instead of internet) works great for this..
The internet is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.
And it is also a remarkably effective way to for information and news to reach the general public, going over the heads of the Presidents image makers and defenders in the mainstream, legacy, media.
And Obama isn't a Marxist - as much as you would like to paint him as one Cal -
That's not the question. I'll restate it for you-
the question here is DID OBAMA EMBRACE MARXIST PHILOSOPHY WHILE IN COLLEGE- it's not, does he identify himself as a Marxist today.
And do you think he ever whole hearted REJECTED the philosophy.
I'm not going to get into the game of defining specifically which "ist" or "ism" he specifically embraces. That's a quagmire that can't be won and serves no point. I will argue, regardless the title we attribute to him, that he is for expanding the power of the National government and redistributing wealth. He calls himself a progressive like FDR and Wilson. I think that's a sufficient enough description.
...In fact, in some areas he is seeking to privatize government institutions, such as promoting charter schools.
Charter schools aren't private schools. They are exclusively publicly funded. So, while I'm glad he says he supports them, this doesn't support your argument in any way.
He is for the downtrodden, the poor, has stated it in his books, however, being for the working man or the impoverished doesn't make you a Marxist Cal.
What does being "for the downtrodden, the poor" mean?
Taking the income from one person and giving it to them?
I don't know of anyone that isn't "for the downtrodden," how we chose to help the person can be used to identify what philosophy we're inclined to embrace.
Obama bemoans that the COURTS have not aggressively addressed
“the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society.”
That doesn't sound like a guy who really embraces capitalism.
Nor does it sound like a man with much regard for our Constitution either.
This idea that if you have certain ideas when you are 19 (Obama's age at this 'dinner'), and somehow you don't grow away from or change those ideas is ludicrous.
Again- are you arguing that he was an aggressive Marxist at the time or not? Sounds like you acknowledge that he probably was, but it's not convenient or political expedient for you to do so.
It's interesting, but NONE of my friends were Marxists in college, nor are they Marxists now.
But maybe I'm unusual. Then again, both of my natural parents were not communists. I wasn't mentored by a communist. I didn't deliberately associate with radicals and Marxists while in college. And as an adult, I haven't spent my entire career working with radical groups like ACORN led by Wade Rathke, a Marxist who was also a member of SDS. I never deliberately selected a church to attend that was lead by a Marxist preacher who embraces Black liberation theology either. And radical marxists in the Weather Underground never held a party for me.....
Once again, Reagan was a very different man in the White House than he was when he was in his 20s.
Reagan wasn't a communist. In fact, he was very anti-communist, even early in his career. As he aged, he refined his world and political views, but his core values never changed.
The great shift you keep misrepresenting is that Reagan MISTAKEN identified himself as a Democrat when he was younger. But as he began to understand what the party had become, he realized he didn't belong there.
He long said,
""I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me." Reagan's world view never changed, it was merely his party identification. That's VASTLY different than being a radical Marxist and suddenly embracing free market capitalism and the U.S. Constitution.
But since you now seem to be expressing that it's likely that Obama WAS a radical Marxist in college, can you tell me when he abandoned and rejected those principles?
I wouldn't doubt that Obama explored Marxism - then set it aside, like most people do when they are in college. You look at Mao, you look at Jefferson, you look at Rousseau and Montesquieu, Machiavelli, Locke, Lenin, Chanakya, Herodotus and Jesus... The list is almost endless.
You're making excuses again......
When did he "set it aside."
What possible reason do you have for thinking he "set it aside."
That's really a rhetorical question. Both you and I know that he didn't.
I think at times Obama is very Machiavellian..and others times like Montesquieu. He certainly has a lot of JFK in him, and some Teddy Roosevelt.
Don't forget Woodrow Wilson.
And maybe a touch of Hitler, but that's redundant once you've added the Wilson.