Coils are starting to look better than air...
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mespock
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One of the problems that I was told a few years back about the dryer was that the location of the dryer, especially in the cold areas of the US, caused the water in the dryer to freeze because the location could cause ice builds up from the road. This caused the system to fail, as the dryer couldn't do its job properly.
Can't remember who told me this but I was told that the spider was designed to vent the dryer faster so the freezing wouldn't happen...
Do not really know if this is the actual cause as of the failure or the purpose of the spider valve but it's what I was told many moons ago..
Can't remember who told me this but I was told that the spider was designed to vent the dryer faster so the freezing wouldn't happen...
Do not really know if this is the actual cause as of the failure or the purpose of the spider valve but it's what I was told many moons ago..
mespock
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:shifty: J/Kunity
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Well first the compressor takes in it air and vents it at the back of the car, right? Thats what it looks like to me. If not, what are those black tubes under the spare tire compartment? They look like they come from the compressor intake system. Other though was e-vap but I have no book in front of me.
Either way the compressor is not well protected but its location is pretty dry compared to anything from the front wheels back where water spray can bean issue.
And for the spider, it has nothing to do with the dryer really. When the car vents, it vents through the spider not the dryer. This means the dryer takes in air but never exhausts. This also means the dryer takes in moisture but never gets a chance to push that moisture back out now.
In MY opinion the original spider did nothing and they new one could do more harm by over drying the air. I know we are talking Ford stuff here, but sometimes those tech do know what they are doing.... sometimes...
NYC LS8
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The only real plus with the original spider valve was that it put a schrader valve into the system in case the car drops. Only bad thing, is that it never worked out for me because the drier was always frozen or an o-ring busted on the drier :lol:
mespock
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The compressor on the Mark VII's was in the engine compartment if I remember right.
So the problem with freezing wasn't so bad. Once the car heated up the area was warm...
So the problem with freezing wasn't so bad. Once the car heated up the area was warm...
NYC LS8
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[Ed McMahon] You are correct, sir! [/Ed McMahon]
No the compressor doesnt vent out the rear of the car, that is incorrect.
Those lines you see are about 3 times the size of an "air ride line", they are not related to air ride.
you are correct in the assumption that they are part of the EVAP system.
If I had to guess.. your moisture problem is in the rear bags.
Overtime the system in its original state will create ALOT of water in the bags.
you replaced the fronts, but still have "PONDS" of water in the rear bags.
It'd be easy to pull a rear bag and dump it out.
The spider valve works VERY well, I have the first generation spider valve without the water seperators.
This compressor I am running was "frankensteined" out of 4 broken compressors and currently I am right at 200K miles on good only "Frankencompressor".
Spider valve FTW!!
My original air bags lasted until 200K
I replaced all 4 and am now at 394,000 miles
So...200,000 miles and I've spent exactly 650.00 on air ride parts.
The spider valve I got in trade for labor to install some front struts.
I got the car in 1999 with 68,000 miles and now it's 2007 and I'm at 394,000 miles.
IMHO keeping and repairing the air ride is well worth the expense and trouble.
Granted, when I replaced mine. I "did it all"..and didn't leave moisture contaminated parts on the car, which in turn contaminates all the "new parts".
Eddie mentions this from time to time about high mileage cars and the insane amount of moisture they can hold.. Hell.. that is why the Spider Valve was invented.
There is your culprit.. the original rear bags, which leak.
NO doubt they have buttloads of water in them and in their lines.
it's a 200.00 fix, put two NEW rear bags on the car and make sure you atleast attempt to blow out the lines with compressed air that IS connected to a DRYER.
{no need in blowing more moisture into the system}
If the system is overwhelmed with moisture a battery of spider valves wont be able to solve it. it's take hundreds of cycles to evacuate all the moisture.
This got me to thinking, how do Mechanics evacuate moisture from Air Conditioning?
By putting a vacuum pump on and pulling the system down with vacuum.
Moisture will evaporate at a lower temperature when under a vacuum.
I'd be willing to bet that pulling a vacuum on a system with no leaks would go ALONG way in getting the additional moisture out of the system, so you dont contaminate the new parts with water.
"just a thought from the far side"
unity
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XLRVIII, sorry but that makes no sense at all, if the bags are leaking air at the cracks, which are in the folds, which are the lowest point of the bag, where do you think any residual water would go? Also there would be no water going in or out of the lines. For that to happen the bags would have to not be leaking and FULL of water.
Again, the bag acts like a shop vac. The air port opening is the vacuum but once your away from that location there is no velocity in the air to pick up water from the lower part of the bag.
And to reach that level of vacuum, to evaporate water, would destroy the entire system. It would collapse the bags too far and probably wreak havoc on the seals. Unlike AC systems that operate on pressure and vacuum, the air ride is pressure only.
Again, the bag acts like a shop vac. The air port opening is the vacuum but once your away from that location there is no velocity in the air to pick up water from the lower part of the bag.
And to reach that level of vacuum, to evaporate water, would destroy the entire system. It would collapse the bags too far and probably wreak havoc on the seals. Unlike AC systems that operate on pressure and vacuum, the air ride is pressure only.
Ask eddie if that makes sense... and feel free to believe what you deem believeable.
The folds are not the lowest point in the rear bags, you really should do alittle more investigation UNDER your car and not on the INTARWEB.
The plastic bottom of the rear bag IS the lowest part and it's a great deal lower than the "folded portion" of the bad.
and.. I seriously doubt pulling 30 INCHES of vacuum on a system that holds 100PSI is going to have any "deletrious effect"..
I was only speculating about the vacuum part.. the rear bag part I know for FACT.
BUT.. feel free to keep chunking dryers are your moisture bound air ride system and ignoring the OBVIOUS signs that you have moisture contamination.
...NO SKIN of my back.
Was only trying to help you, I have no desire to argue known facts..
CARRY ON.. I'll bow out now
unity
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Im sorry, I did not know you were a Ford certified technician and mechanical engineer.
Its called Physics 101.
And I have spend more time on my car than you ever will. I am very familiar with the air ride system and have taken the pleasure of taking apart both front and rear components of the air-ride.
And its called the World Wide Web, not the "intarweb". The underlaying network of routers, fiber optics and copper is called the internet.
As for "deletrious", well thats also not even a word.
And thanks for bowing out, last we need is your misinformation! You can believe what you want, but you are just getting spoon fed info and sending it on.
Its called Physics 101.
And I have spend more time on my car than you ever will. I am very familiar with the air ride system and have taken the pleasure of taking apart both front and rear components of the air-ride.
And its called the World Wide Web, not the "intarweb". The underlaying network of routers, fiber optics and copper is called the internet.
As for "deletrious", well thats also not even a word.
And thanks for bowing out, last we need is your misinformation! You can believe what you want, but you are just getting spoon fed info and sending it on.