car audio questions

I'd love to have an AVIC but i really don't feel like ripping apart my dash to install it and then have the added "break into my car please" factor come along with it

Last time I looked they were well north of $250 for a new unit as well. You got a deal for me?
 
I just liked the idea of having people in my car and not realizing there are subs in the car, and then turn up the bass when they least expect it to scare em s.h.i.t.less.:D
you aint gonna scare sh!t out of them, more likely they will laugh at it (maybe not right in front of you, but sooner or later they'll be tallking...) nad tell you how bad it really sounds, and if they are the kind of people who know or care, then they will be pleased to show you up, and probably with something smaller, neater, and a hell of a lot cleaner, but crappy and loud never impresses anybody.

I've heard joke systems with six 10" subs sound so much worse than a properly set up 8"



Is there any advantage to upgrading my factory 6x8's to the Infinity Kappas, I have seen several members mention without a new headunit? Would you be able to run them fully off the stock unit or would I need an external amp?
yes you would definitely notice better sound by putting in a good quality speaker, but if you are not going to run a amp, then i probably wouldn't quite reach for a set of kappa's.

instead i would probably look at a slightly lighter duty speaker like the Infinity reference series, as they are a little less robust, they dont need as much power to play, the Kappa's do sound great, but they do usually like a little more power that what a factory deck can output, you probably would be fine with kappa's if you just replaced the headunit, along with better control of the sound coming out of a HU especially with something like an AVIC.

and i usually dont recommend running a speaker amp like a 4ch off of a factory HU, unless loudness is the only thing you are concerned with (if that was the case, you wouldn't be considering Kappa's), although there is plenty of power, there is also a lot of background noise (static) that you will get because of not having a clean signal to amplify.
 
The avic line is too rich for my blood.

but neither one of those even has bluetooth, if im gonna spend that kind of money, you better believe that im gonna spend a little more and get the voice rec, bluetooth and NAV. i only paid $550 shipped for my F900, the deals can be had if your patient and look for what you want.

if you not getting NAV, then there is really no reason for a touch screen, spend the money on a quality HU and you'll be glad you did when it sounds amazing. and you can get a damn good HU for $300-$400.
 
you aint gonna scare sh!t out of them, more likely they will laugh at it (maybe not right in front of you, but sooner or later they'll be tallking...) nad tell you how bad it really sounds, and if they are the kind of people who know or care, then they will be pleased to show you up, and probably with something smaller, neater, and a hell of a lot cleaner, but crappy and loud never impresses anybody.

My friends are teenagers and don't know the difference between loud quality system and and loud, distorted setup. One of them bought a system from pep boys and he thinks it BUMPS. I laugh at him.
 
but neither one of those even has bluetooth, if im gonna spend that kind of money, you better believe that im gonna spend a little more and get the voice rec, bluetooth and NAV. i only paid $550 shipped for my F900, the deals can be had if your patient and look for what you want.

if you not getting NAV, then there is really no reason for a touch screen, spend the money on a quality HU and you'll be glad you did when it sounds amazing. and you can get a damn good HU for $300-$400.


Not everybody likes to use the nav on there and i have my own separate gps already. on top of that, you can add both bluetooth and nav later on. I dont care for bluetooth either.

that one i linked is in no way low quality it even has 4v preouts. I prefer kenwoods for navigation. The avics simply have navigation plus the hard drive which makes them so expensive. take those two things out and you have the ones i linked.
 
Not everybody likes to use the nav on there and i have my own separate gps already. on top of that, you can add both bluetooth and nav later on.
thats why i said that there in no necessity to have the huge screen, and that money would be better spent somewhere else.


I dont care for bluetooth either.
you might not, but me as the guy driving beside you on the HWY does, and sooner or later its gonna be a legal issue having to do with anything on the phone, not just texting (and it is for a lot of people out there already)

that one i linked is in no way low quality it even has 4v preouts.
yea but it does have it own DA converter that is lower quality than the one inside the Ipod, making all of the music that you listen to sound worse. (and let face it, a lot of people serious about music in their car, will be using an Ipod) and at least the AVIC's use the Ipods internal chip for better sound, but there are a lot of media receivers that have even better processing and sound amazing

I prefer kenwoods for navigation.
as do i, but their AV interface is so outdated, its ridiculous and most factory systems have better interfaces.


When I drop money on a real system, my neighbors will know. There'll be no shame.
there you go, so why even drop any money on a system that is not real, great sound doesn't mean that you have to spend a lot of money (it can definitely help) but its more of picking and pairing the right stuff to work together (and a sub enclosure is very important for that)
 
thats why i said that there in no necessity to have the huge screen, and that money would be better spent somewhere else.

I already have a double din.

you might not, but me as the guy driving beside you on the HWY does, and sooner or later its gonna be a legal issue having to do with anything on the phone, not just texting (and it is for a lot of people out there already)

I do not text or talk on my phone at all while driving...not even with a hands free kit. If i have to make an urgent call i pull over.

yea but it does have it own DA converter that is lower quality than the one inside the Ipod, making all of the music that you listen to sound worse. (and let face it, a lot of people serious about music in their car, will be using an Ipod) and at least the AVIC's use the Ipods internal chip for better sound, but there are a lot of media receivers that have even better processing and sound amazing

Im very serious about music....ive done some prior sound engineering and vocal tracking. I have a digital usb mixer, monitor speakers, korg tr-61 and an AKG condenser.

Yet i dont use an ipod to play music....i would be using the sd card option.

as do i, but their AV interface is so outdated, its ridiculous and most factory systems have better interfaces.

Thats why i like pioneer units...better interface.

there you go, so why even drop any money on a system that is not real, great sound doesn't mean that you have to spend a lot of money (it can definitely help) but its more of picking and pairing the right stuff to work together (and a sub enclosure is very important for that)


Yeah some people want SQ and some want SPL.....all depends on the person.

I really cant afford to throw down $900 on an avic when i still have a car loan to pay off. most of my system came out of my other car, only thing different is the sub which i blew a while back so i had it replaced and the custom enclosure for this vehicle.

But if money was no option i would not have what i have now. I got some good sound though with the THX plus a sub running 500rms.
 
im not saying that he needs to buy an avic, im just saying if he gonna spend $300-$400, i wouldn't look at a basic AV unit, i would just focus on a good quality deck for that price.

music off of the SD of flash memory relies on the lower end built in chips, and doesn't sound as good (especially on the pioneer AV and nav units) they always seem to still sound compressed.

I do not text or talk on my phone at all while driving...not even with a hands free kit. If i have to make an urgent call i pull over.
well sir you are a dieing breed, the vast majority are not so safe.

I got some good sound though with the THX plus a sub running 500rms.
which was exactly where i was recommending earlier, i just think that much less would yield under desired results.
 
got the sub and amp in yesterday with a buddy. install was a breeze with the battery right in the trunk. went with 12" alpine type r and 500w alpine mono amp, sounds great. had to take the factory amp out to get the box in, but i can't slide it all the way back yet it hits where the plug would go into the stock subs, gotta take those out but that can be a job for next weeknd.

on top the next problem tho, not my car this time tho but i figure there were alot of car audio guys here. so my buddy that was helping me put my sub and amp in got the car audio itch and bought a sub amd amp for his mustang. it had a factory mach system and he want the factory headunit still. there was a harness going to the stock subs and amp that we found and unplugged. system still worked fine just no bass obviously. got a line output converter, he is where the problem lies, figured we could just tap into the harness but with the harness unplugged from the speakers, there is no power to it, not even soming out of the back of the deck? what should we splice into for the turn on and LOC??
 
That harness most likely comes from a stock amp.

You need to run a wire to the front bypassing it.
 
if your using a LOC (line output converter), it would have to be after the factory amp (it would still need to be plugged in) since they take a sample of the audio signal from an amplified signal.

for instance, older machs, had four 6x8 for subs and four 3.5's for the mids and highs, the mids and highs where driven off of the deck and the subs where driven off of two amps in the trunk (one for each side) and the LOC's would have to be tapped in after the amps and before the subs (rears are the easiest to get to)

but newer ponys (05+) have completely different systems (most are called shaker) and the factory subs are mounted in the front doors, making things a little more tricky

what year pony is it and which mach system (360, 460, ect)
 
and you best spot to grab turn on (if newer mustang with CAN) would be at the ignition harness (key cylinder), or if older mustang (-04) would be the ACC wire right at the radio (factory amp turn on voltage is way to low to trigger a aftermarket amp)
 
its a mach 460 i believe. is there another way to do it. not sure if the box will fit with with the amps in.
 
you could probably remove the plastic enclosure that the amps are mounted to, and relocate the factory amps (it would sound pretty bad without the amps hooked up at all, as the small speakers that the deck drive are not big enough to play all of the mids and mid bass), relocating the amps may be a pain in the @ss because you may have to extend the factory wiring

you could also have a box built for the car so that it would fit without any trouble.
does it cost more? yea but you save a ton of time not having to deal with a bunch of BS having to rig everything up. and saving time might be worth the extra money for a system that sounds right. MTV = My Time is Valuable
 

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