I see what you are saying. Same concept except we are talking about being totally sealed. Did you guys cut a larger opening from the hole that is under the air box? I know some guys didn't want to be cutting away metal but that's really the only way to get a decent sized pipe through there. I think when I do mine I am going to make a fiberglass enclosure that I can make larger than the stock air box and it will fit in that area better.
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I see what you are saying. Same concept except we are talking about being totally sealed. Did you guys cut a larger opening from the hole that is under the air box? I know some guys didn't want to be cutting away metal but that's really the only way to get a decent sized pipe through there. I think when I do mine I am going to make a fiberglass enclosure that I can make larger than the stock air box and it will fit in that area better.
HEAT SOAK??? i dont have that problem and sorry you did have that problem...i haven't said anything to you in awhile and NOW you say something. I dont have to race my LS to get my fix for speed, I go to the track and race my motorcycle which you will never go that fast unless you push your LS off a cliff. Just keep my name out of your mouth like we have been doing....oh stop saying everyone because you and your buddies are not EVERYONE
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Why not have a tube that runs from the lower grille to the filter but using mesh or some material to filter it as it goes through. I put mesh behind the lower grille (maybe paint it black) and it will filter out rocks, bugs, and debris. Would'nt that be sufficient?
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Yes they did make the holes where the stock baffle connected to the fender a bit bigger.
A few reputable members have experimented with sticking the filter outside the engine bay. One member, the first member I have seen with this set up( 02V8Sport ) is one of the most honest members here. He says it does show some improvements. Not like forced induction but it does keep out heat soak.
When you jump off the line rather than pulling in all that hot air building up from the engine bay it does pull some cooler air in.
With gain there is loss. If you want more of a true CAI you like people that own other cars with true CAI's have to be more careful about water but member 02V8Sport used a dry filter from K&N and said it works great! Its like a sleeve that fits over the filter.
As far as dust and debris. What do you think a filter is for? When was the last time you popped the hood and it did not have any dirt or dust build up anywhere? With more and more brands releasing washable filters its only natural to use one. Just wash it more often than normal.
As I said, gcwimmers idea is the safest but the other 2 are a bit more efficient I would assume. Its up to you to decide. gcwimmers idea tosses more cooler air to the filter while driving than stock or with just a plain kit but still off the line I would assume can cause some heat soak. Sorry if Im wrong gc.
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I forgot. You were the one with the magical LS.
What ever dude. What you said was a total contradiction and I made it clear there was no offense meant by what I said.
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As I said, gcwimmers idea is the safest but the other 2 are a bit more efficient I would assume. Its up to you to decide. gcwimmers idea tosses more cooler air to the filter while driving than stock or with just a plain kit but still off the line I would assume can cause some heat soak. Sorry if Im wrong gc.
No heat soak with my electric supercharger and Vortex sitting on the line.
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No heat soak with my electric supercharger and Vortex sitting on the line.
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As I was going to state before petes dumb ass comment, there are a couple different options. If you live in a dry climate you can dremel the hole in the frame and use an elbow to run the cai out of the engine bay. You can use what's called a water sock for your filter if you live in a wet climate but personally I wouldn't recommend running it out of the engine bay due to the fact that it requires cutting up the frame to do so and there is risk involved with the filter location. With the box for the heat shield you're trying to accomplish less heat soak as previously stated but you ALSO have to be careful that you don't make it impossible for the filter to breathe in the process. Hot air is better than no air. When I build mine I'm going to run a tube to the lower grille with hoses running both from the hole beneath the filter and also from the hole that is in front of the filter into the box feeding air in from the lower grille.
has anybody with the 04+ put in something to funnel air up to the filter? I was going to do it this weekend but i dint know how big of a box to get, did you have to cut the rubber guard behind the bumper or the metal part too?
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You might want to read this thread from the beginning or do a SEARCH on CAI.
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So its not going directly to the intake tube right? Just into the engine bay?
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the hole in there is like 3" across at the smallest part of the oval. Some very slight bending and you can fit 3" piping (same as the tb) through there nice and tight with some rubber hoes as a gasket.
Yes they did make the holes where the stock baffle connected to the fender a bit bigger.
A few reputable members have experimented with sticking the filter outside the engine bay. One member, the first member I have seen with this set up( 02V8Sport ) is one of the most honest members here. He says it does show some improvements. Not like forced induction but it does keep out heat soak.
When you jump off the line rather than pulling in all that hot air building up from the engine bay it does pull some cooler air in.
With gain there is loss. If you want more of a true CAI you like people that own other cars with true CAI's have to be more careful about water but member 02V8Sport used a dry filter from K&N and said it works great! Its like a sleeve that fits over the filter.
As far as dust and debris. What do you think a filter is for? When was the last time you popped the hood and it did not have any dirt or dust build up anywhere? With more and more brands releasing washable filters its only natural to use one. Just wash it more often than normal.
As I said, gcwimmers idea is the safest but the other 2 are a bit more efficient I would assume. Its up to you to decide. gcwimmers idea tosses more cooler air to the filter while driving than stock or with just a plain kit but still off the line I would assume can cause some heat soak. Sorry if Im wrong gc.
K&N makes them as well as other companies. Those covers have been proven to not retrict airflow even in force fed applications.
to the OP, looks like you did a pretty good job fabricating that snorkel type thing. I woulndt have spent that time to only use it at speed.... when your acceleration is done. Are you tuned? You may want to get some FLAT black and spray that whole piece so its hides better than the matte finish of the plastic.
Why would that only work at speed? It is still drawing in air that is colder than what is under the hood, correct?
I just don't see why you would want to risk messing up the motor by making something that would direct water and other debris towards the intake just for alittle bit cooler air which will not make a big enough difference anyways, but different strokes for different folks
Actually, it makes a pretty large difference IMO. I really need to find the link to that chart of the air temp vs hp gain. Plus he has the mesh on the front there not that anything is really going to get all of the way up that tube into the airbox anyway, at least no more than what the stock air box gets in it. There are a few guys that run that setup and they don't worry about driving through big puddles!
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I had a March Ram Air set-up on my old 87 LSC, and that sumbitch sucked up EVERYTHING on the road. You shoulda saw the crap that was in the sealed box - twigs, sand, pebbles, etc.
You can see it mounted under the passenger side of the bumper:
You can see it mounted under the passenger side of the bumper:
Mesh doesn't stop water and you'll be wishing you didn't have it there when you are walking because you got stuck in a storm and sucked water up through the intake. Just not worth it to ME, but that's just me not saying that is god's word
TDUB
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How do you figure he is going to suck water up into the intake? It's not like the hose is connected to the filter or anything, there is no sucking action involved, lol. That's why sully made the at speed comment. All it's doing is feeding the colder air from the lower grille up towards the area of the filter, they're not directly connected. Now if he had run the filter to the lower grille, then that would be a different story.
If air can get there than so can water. Did you just say that there is NO sucking action going on around the intake?? Really??
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What I meant is that this hose that's run to the lower grille is not directly connected to the filter so it's not going to be sucking in water. Yes the filter is sucking in the air around it, but it is not directly connected to this hose for air. If he had run his filter down I would say yes he has a high chance of sucking in water but unless he's driving in a damn tsunami or taking his LS through rivers I like his chances of not getting water in the intake from this set up. The air brought in from this is more from the force of the air being pushed in through the lower grille not by the suction of the filter. Water would have to hit the lower grille where his box was placed and travel all the way up the tube to the filter.