03 cobra swap

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i'm sure this has been covered but I've looked over and over again and cant find it.

instead of getting c heads for a mark viii, why not just drop a already supercharged 03/04 cobra engine in there?

these can be relatively cheap if you buy the supercharger separate.

should be a bolt in. give or take a computer and or custom wiring harness right? or is there something i am missing that would make this a total pain in th arse.

thanks ahead of time, and sorry if this has been covered (almost sure it has).
 
I can't find it now. But I saw it somewhere! Lol, sheesh.

It could've been in my search, but I thought it was very recent. Maybe I skimmed over it, wrecked car that was just wrecked with not many miles on upgrades. It's there somewhere.
 
it's for sure not as easy as your making it sound
 
Well if it's any harder than I'm making it sound, it should be even easier than I make it sound, because if you already know it's harder than I make it sound, you better be paying someone to do it, don't you think..

Besides, I doubt the guy is serious. He thinks finding one without a blower is relatively cheap. In reality, if you find one without the blower, you need more than just a blower, because someone also took all the supporting hardware PROBABLY to convert their 99-01 cobra over. :p

And in that case, you may as well be searching for a 99-01 cobra motor, and find someone parting an 03-04 cobra motor for all the supporting hardware to have what he's talking about.

Also, if he was really interested, or ambitious enough of a person to actually do it, he would be doing searches. Not posting a post such as his.

Maybe he is, but he did say bolt in, and that's what that would be. Right?

Sheesh, common sense really is a virtue.
 
i figured it would be harder than that but i thought i'd ask. i found a lowish milage 03 w/o the supercharger for 2400. and you can get used eatons for 3 - 500. i guess i didnt think about what all would be missing.

i just started my new job and im making more money so i was gonna start saving up, but no it isnt gonna be for a while.

i'm just looking for an easier/cheaper way. plus going that way the engine would be better built to handle the boost.

is the tranny swap absolutely nessesary? thats a pita in these cars isnt it?
 
No, you can run the auto. Therte are many Cobra owners out there that have swapped in a 4R70. Just need an 8 bolt flex plate and a tune to controll the trans.
 
There is a second gen already converted posted for sale on this board.

15.5K

Doubtful you can duplicate the effort for less money.
it's a nice peice, well worth the coin and it's ready to drive.

if you "set out" to do this, your gonna spend more.
 
Wow, I didn't mean to sound such a butthead. Reading my last post.

I'm going through the same stuff you are, finding the cheapest way to get there. Well not cheapest way to get blown, but cheapest and most reliable way to 450-500 rwhp.

So far, nobody wants to answer my questions. And surely, the more I read the more answers I find. The reason nobody wants to answer questions is because they've done it so many times. Not on one particular deal, like we could use, but here and there, and they're sick of talking about it and explaining it.

What I've learned so far is a few prices. And 2,400 for a stock cobra motor, if it includes heads, would be worth it. If heads aren't included you're better off putting your own shortblock together for peace of mind in my opinion.

Machine work is looking to be around 150 for a bore job, .20 over. I plan to assemble my own motor using my sean hyland 4.6 book that is in texas right now, no use to me for the moment!

A teksid block like we have in our marks, which is the strongest of the 4.6 blocks is running around 200, sometimes even after a fresh bore if you find a guy that changed plans after he got started you can find one for 250 or so. Of course you could go super cheap and just find the cheapest mark viii engine possible ($100 prob if not free) and tear it down yourself to save some coin.

A cobra forged crank, (99-01 or 03-04 both are satisfactory for more horsepower than we'll need) runs from 200-350 used, the high end being polished ones. Which I would rather find one un-polished so I know something's not being hidden before my machinest gets out the micrometer, and just pay a machinest to re-grind it or polish it if it's in good enough shape for just a polish. New cranks, there's 2 of them, one retails for around 350 and the other is around 600-ish. I don't know the difference, and being lazy, I just figure I'll pick up a used one that I know is proven and save some cash.

The rods, I plan on using stock 03-04 termi rods. Some guys throw out the money for some manley H-beams, but that's what the termi rods are anyways, they were even manufactured for ford by manley. The real serious players are paying for forged I beam rods, we don't need those unless we're looking at close to or over 1000 hp.

Alot of guys are using either the DIAMOND or CP? pistons for their forged builds. I'll take thier word for it, the way they drive their cars with the big blowers, yeah, they're nuts and their stuff doesn't fall apart so that's good enough for me, I won't ask further questions. I haven't looked at the prices for a set of those though, I just assume a grand.

And that's about as far as I am for right now as far as putting things in writing. I'm going to look for a set of used C heads from either a 99-01 or 03-04 cobra. We do need the C heads in order toget into a positive displacement or roots type blower.

You also have the choice of going with a centrifugal set up like most mark viii guys do since it's the easiest and probably $cheapest.

No matter what you do you'll want to use your factory harness, unless you want to change out gauges, dash harness, and every other freaking wire in the car pretty much. The cobra ECU won't work in our cars unless you swap that stuff out.

I can add to this as I go if you're interested. But realize I'm probably looking at a $10k build (which I'm sure some will laugh at because that is probably considered cheap), but I'm going to be purchasing a 2.3 whipple brand new which is just over 3 grand of that 10.
 
From someone that's done an 04 cobra swap, it aint cheap and it aint easy. You can get 500hp+ engine setup with blower for around $8000. Forged bottom end stock C heads for about 4k and add 3k for what ever forced induction you want and a grand for other stuff.

An 03/04 non ticking head, documented, non raped, low miles (under 50k) top to bottom will run about north of $6k then you have some very fun wiring to do, modification to the engine bay (got to make room for the lower mount alternator), custom cooling for the intercooler radiator, bigger fuel system, ALOT of 100% custom tuning that you will be PAYING OUT THE NOSE for, etc.

OH you have a GEN 1, then new hood and paint for that, converting over to COP. Think the exhaust is good enough for 500+hp? OH YEA are you ODBI or ODBII because an ODBI car will crank the wiring fun up to about 11.

My suggestion is:
Have a long block built to your spec for about $3.5 - 4.5k, $300 for a cobra intake, convert to cop, 255 fuel pump, vortech S-trim and Meth kit for about $3-4k. A couple of friends and you can swap, wire, install the blower, and program the PCM in a 3 day weekend.
 
It's not rocket science. I wouldn't do it on a 1st gen car though, maybe a 96, but even then it's a toss.

It can be done easily with a $10k budget but that means doing all the work yourself or add money for labor.
 
Meh. Its not too hard to do a swap for stock. But going blow in a 96 is another game. I would do my 04 swap again, but then again it was stock for stock pretty much.
 
It's not rocket science. I wouldn't do it on a 1st gen car though, maybe a 96, but even then it's a toss.

It can be done easily with a $10k budget but that means doing all the work yourself or add money for labor.

There is a reason why only a handful of people have done the swap. Its expensive, very labor intensive, and very arguably not worth the $ or effort.

Easiest way to get to 450hp in a mark viii is VERY simple actually, buy Eric's built 97. Otherwise its not even close to easy.
 
wow thats alot of great information, especially from poniesviii. looks like we are on about on the same page. good luck with your build.

and i have a 97 gen 2. im starting to think i need to look into the c head swap more. i didn't think it would be so pricey.

i was really counting on 94m5's adapter piece but that doest look like it is gonna happen anymore.
 
My suggestion is:
Have a long block built to your spec for about $3.5 - 4.5k, $300 for a cobra intake, convert to cop, 255 fuel pump, vortech S-trim and Meth kit for about $3-4k. A couple of friends and you can swap, wire, install the blower, and program the PCM in a 3 day weekend.[/QUOTE]



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you could do the above build in very easy stages as well and build it as you get money instead of laying down a huge chunk at one time.
find a cobra intake and tuner, then throw in a fuel pump.
get a blower when you get the cash and run it on your stock bottom end without getting crazy...maybe add the meth kit
then get the forged bottom end and crank up the boost
your prob gonna want a set of gears in there as well along with a driveshaft and i doubt that your stock 97 trans will live long if you beat it too hard either.
 
can someone please post a link to a c head swap write up. i really didnt want to ask but ive looked for hours now and i cant find anything about what all is needed.

i did find a set of 2000 continental heads for 100 bucks but idk what all comes with them.

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ive also been thinking about just building up a separate engine then swapping it in when its finnished. this way i can go at my own pace and as money permits. im looking around and so far i like the sound of starting off with a mmr shortblock. http://www.lastcallracing.com/mmr-800.html but to me it doesnt look like they come with heads so i was looking at these http://www.steeda.com/products/ford_racing_DOHC_bare_aluminum_cylinder_head.php but im not even sure that is what i would need. then i would buy a used eaton m112 off ebay (or possibly a whipple if i can wait it out and save that much extra) and add a meth kit.


if i went that route wouldnt i still run into the wiring issues that were my problem in the first place? so many questions and ideas floating around in my head right now, giving me a headache.
 
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You could look through these threads..

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/search.php?searchid=6143444

The conti's got C heads?? I can only assume you would want to take conti heads to a shop for different hardware. 100 dollars for C heads isn't bad if you want to re-work them anyways.

MMR has had a good reputation for quality AND price for a long time, however some guys are talking that they've gone downhill lately. A certain individual was talking about sending his back in and having some troubles in the process. I'm sure they would be your best bet. I just don't like the idea of that heavier iron block in our already heavy-front-cars.

That steeda link you posted, for bare heads, 750/side? Why are you looking at those? That's not feasable at all. They still need parts and assy. And having 1500 dollars spent before you've even started will kill your wallet.

To my understanding, as long as you're intercooled and not looking for super awesome track times you probably don't want to think about meth inj. for a street car.
 
ya 99 and up they do. i think im going to get those continental heads.i would benefit most from putting my stock b head style cams in correct? what else is needed for the swap? it sounds alot cheaper than most people make it out to be, unless i'm missing alot lol.


oh and i'm thinking about just buying a 2nd 97 mark engine for a few hundred and slowly build it up then drop it in when its done. mostly because i dont want to wait untill i can afford that mmr block.


i do however want to end up with a fully forged bottom end just in case my future plans get bigger. you know how that goes. does that justify the cost of the mmr-800? or would i come out on top piecing it together myself?


can we get a intercooler to fit on our setup? i was under the impression that meth was the "only" way to go. i would love to go intercooled instead.
 
Hell, I'm suprised RoadBoss isn't in here yet, PM's are'nt public, would be nice to hear what he did with wiring in that '96.

I already know he spent close to 17k on that motor.
 
ya 99 and up they do. i think im going to get those continental heads.i would benefit most from putting my stock b head style cams in correct? what else is needed for the swap? it sounds alot cheaper than most people make it out to be, unless i'm missing alot lol.

I've thought that too, cheaper than it's made out. But really, the small things is what adds up. And I don't doubt it's at least 6 grand, not including supporting hardware. Like, your trans will want some work probably. Do you have the 2 pc driveshaft.. upgrade that. And trac-loc would be dumb not to have. Then you have fuel, your pump isn't big enough to support much over stock I'm sure.


oh and i'm thinking about just buying a 2nd 97 mark engine for a few hundred and slowly build it up then drop it in when its done. mostly because i dont want to wait untill i can afford that mmr block.

The thing that stands out to me about what you're saying here is.. what are you going to do, have your block bored .20, then after awhile get a crank.. realize you need bearings, so it sits in the corner until you get those. Then you need rod bearings. Then rods. New main cap bolts. New rod bolts. Pistons. Piston rings. If you want it balanced, that's out the window. So by time you eventually get this built, you may as well not have had your crank sitting out getting rusty and you'll wish you would've just saved until you can do it all at once. By that time, you may as well just buy the shortblock for peace of mind that it's done right. You need to do it all at once no matter how you choose to go about it just so it's done right. In high school I helped a friend put a motor together for his camaro. Surprise surprise guess what two idiots assumed the other one made sure all the main bolts were tight. That was a case of alcohol injestion and carelessness, and not paying attention. You want to do it all at once, make sure you're not forgetting anything.


i do however want to end up with a fully forged bottom end just in case my future plans get bigger. you know how that goes. does that justify the cost of the mmr-800? or would i come out on top piecing it together myself?


can we get a intercooler to fit on our setup? i was under the impression that meth was the "only" way to go. i would love to go intercooled instead.

With the eaton.. yes. With a kenne-bell or whipple.. yes.
 

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