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trickett90

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Anybody convert their LS to be E85 compatible? I know it is pretty corrosive stuff, but we have a pretty modern setup. Anybody know if our fuel system would withstand it i.e. is it stainless? Could Torrie do a tune to tie up the electronic odds and ends? Just curious.
 
Why would you?

Less power, less mileage, less available...
 
Like I said, just curious. A new station was just built where I live that offers it. Besides, I thought it was just less mileage. I incorrectly assumed the higher octane would yield more power. I finally found a performance based article and comparison after I posted this thread and discovered otherwise.
 
you can do some cool stuff with e85 and lots of boost. but, less than practical in a normal engine.
 
My son had a minivan that he was going to run E85 in until we did a little research. Takes more fuel to make the same power. The .25 cents a gallon he would save would have cost him more in gas because his mileage, and this was according to Dodge information, would have gone from 25 or 26 mpg down to 18 or 19 mpg. I told him to just run the gasoline.
 
The only rational reason to run E85 is if you are going to a a high-boost combination and yet don't want to go to a full methanol fuel situation. E85 is less expensive than methanol.

KS
 
The only rational reason to run E85 is if you are going to a a high-boost combination and yet don't want to go to a full methanol fuel situation. E85 is less expensive than methanol.

KS

or if you really feel like spending more money to say that you're "green"
 
It is barerly green. I read somewhere that it takes something like 85 BTUs of energy to make 100BTUs worth of corn ethanol.
 
The only people I know of who are honestly excited about E85 are the tuner shops and drag racers. And like others have mentioned, that's only because they can do crazy-stupid boost with cheaply available fuel.

You can make just as much or more power with alcohol, but it needs a dedicated engine design to make it work, not a flex-fuel engine. I believe it's in the 14/15:1 CR before it gets efficient. At that point, Gas will just detonate and destroy the engine.
 
The only people I know of who are honestly excited about E85 are the tuner shops and drag racers. And like others have mentioned, that's only because they can do crazy-stupid boost with cheaply available fuel.

You can make just as much or more power with alcohol, but it needs a dedicated engine design to make it work, not a flex-fuel engine. I believe it's in the 14/15:1 CR before it gets efficient.

The first part of your post is spot on. The second part not so much. Everyone at the track that switches from race fuel to E85 does not change anything in combo except carb and or tune if EFI. They still use same carb just get set up to run E85. I'm thinking of going E85.
 
The first part of your post is spot on. The second part not so much. Everyone at the track that switches from race fuel to E85 does not change anything in combo except carb and or tune if EFI. They still use same carb just get set up to run E85. I'm thinking of going E85.

What C/R are they running? E85 starts to get efficient at around 14:1 static compression ratio, depending upon ignition tuning and blah blah blah, for NA. Compression Ratio for boost is less of a concern as you just adjust it by adding more or less PSI. I've read quite a few articles where the E85 engine compression ratio worked best anywhere from 13.5 up to 16. Just all depends on the engine and cam and tuning and rpm range and and and.

Regular Gasoline starts having issues around 11:1 C/R. That's why on the high-comp gas motors you start seeing 115 race fuel, fuel chillers, ice-packs on the intake, etc etc. All to lower the charge temp and prevent detonation. You also don't see too many gas motors running much above 12:1 as the fuel gets pretty boutique and expensive.

Also, to anyone watching, notice I said nothing about MPG going up, just power. E85, pound for pound, has less thermal energy then Gasoline. That means your overall efficiency will be less, giving less MPG. Nitromethane is the same way. The reason you will get more power with a properly setup engine is due to the optimal conditions under which E85 should be combusted. A higher compression ratio means more torque. A cooler burn means more timing advance for a longer power cycle. The evaporative nature of alcohol means you get a cooling effect from the intake charge which prevents detonation while also giving a better mixing of fuel and air.

You have the potential to see more power with a purpose-built E85 engine over gas, but you will never see better MPG in comparable engines. If you are talking race engines, the cost for E85 is MUCH MUCH better then the cost of 110-octane gas drums and also much more forgiving to bad tunes. I've read up on a few guys who converted their high-comp blower setups to run E85 and noticed a marginal increase in performance. Here's on website on some guys who did that: http://www.raceone85.com/

That is assuming you have an E85 pump anywhere near you. Where I live we don't have one. Just E10 in all the pumps. Not that it really matters for me, my interest in building a 1000-hp drag car has faded. I like turning too much now :)
 
I was going to link that same link you posted! I am 14.5 to 1. The main reason I want to switch is price, race gas here that I use is over 10-12 dollars a gallon.
 
I was going to link that same link you posted! I am 14.5 to 1. The main reason I want to switch is price, race gas here that I use is over 10-12 dollars a gallon.

Yeah, but you can't really call 14.5:1 a normal street gas engine. :)

All the people I have talked to around here want it so that they can do crazy stupid boost without having to setup for low C/R. Plus with the higher compression you get more off-idle torque which helps get the car moving before boost kicks in or spools up.
 
Yeah, but you can't really call 14.5:1 a normal street gas engine. :)

All the people I have talked to around here want it so that they can do crazy stupid boost without having to setup for low C/R. Plus with the higher compression you get more off-idle torque which helps get the car moving before boost kicks in or spools up.

I never said that 14.5 was a street engine. Just mine and how i'm thinking of switching,
 

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