Or to line the pockets of certain preachers?
Outside of fly-by-night evangelist speakers, I can assure you this is not the case. Being in the ministry is not lucrative...
Or to line the pockets of certain preachers?
The key word is "sometimes".
Your statements is premised on tax rate increases always resulting in tax revenue increases, and vice versa.
That is a BIG difference.
The former is an accurate representation of the truth. The latter ignores the truth.
As to Jesus being "all about the poor", His focus was rarely if ever on anything other then the individual. I have yet to see anything indicating he even considered the idea of a societal moral imperative (as opposed to an individual one). It is one thing to argue that individuals should look after those less fortunate then themselves. It is something entirely different to say that governments should steal from some and give to others.
Never said that; straw man. But you cannot make a case that the Bible advocates legalized theft, either.
If we were in court, I would say, "Objection, argumentative." You are introducing a red herring that is completely irrelevant. I never made that claim.
It's YOU who made the claim that Jesus would advocate universal healthcare. I debunked it. I don't have to chase your silly hypotheticals.
Jesus' mission to earth had nothing to do with the poor. He healed the sick and lame because he had compassion on them. His mission was to preach repentance and salvation. Stop trying to put political views in Jesus that you have no evidence for; it just makes you look foolish.
Where does it say that the church gets to steal your tithe, right out of your paycheck?It does say to tithe, give 10%
What a nice flat tax huh?
The church uses the extra cash after all the bills are paid to what?
Help the less fortunate?
I hope so.
Or to line the pockets of certain preachers?
Talk about legalized theft.
Still being argumentative, I see. You really want to pick nits over this stuff? Show me where I said 'only.'So compassion for the sick and lame only?
Everybody else is on their own then.
I thought personal salvation was supposed to be earned by some selflessness.
How about when you see that it fails time after time, in country after country?I never said tax increases always work.
Success is obviously less common than failure in human endeavor.
However
Life is a gamble and risk can be rewarding so it can be construed as cowardly not to try something this time because things don't always work as expected.
No guts no glory.
I never said tax increases always work.
...The fact this story comes from the New Yorker doesn't change what she believes.
My point was that you are relying on the New Yorker for what she believes. And considering the leftist, progressive slant of that sorry excuse for what used to be a worthwhile publication, I wouldn't believe them if they said that grass is green.
KS
Never said it did, but it does advocate to tithe correct?Where does it say that the church gets to steal your tithe, right out of your paycheck?
It's voluntary.
I do understand to keep God out of government.I knew you wouldn't understand the difference between God and government.
Actually, you did say it. You tried to equate tithing with the government confiscating tax money from our checks without our permission. That dog won't hunt.Never said it did, but it does advocate to tithe correct?
Ah, so you're running from your own trolling post and back to topic, eh?I do understand to keep God out of government.
Something Michele Bachmann struggles with.
Hopefully it will be her undoing.
Nope.Actually, you did say it. You tried to equate tithing with the government confiscating tax money from our checks without our permission. That dog won't hunt..
Say or advocate to tithe, which leads to corruption as we all have seen.It does say to tithe, give 10%
Members or any person less fortunate?This has nothing to do with what these big megachurches do with their tithe money, such as erecting huge shiny buildings while neglecting their members' needs, something that personally disgusts me.
NopeFYI - I tithe to my Dad's ministry, not to a big church. Tithing is a personal choice and reflects a person's relationship with God.
Before you start snarking about the Bible, you'd best learn what you're talking about.
Ah, so you're running from your own trolling post and back to topic, eh?
That's a new one, but not surprising.
Don't worry - Rick Perry will defeat her and then MaObama
My point was that you are relying on the New Yorker for what she believes. And considering the leftist, progressive slant of that sorry excuse for what used to be a worthwhile publication, I wouldn't believe them if they said that grass is green.
KS
Beyond her beliefs and whom she admires when you compare her current rhetoric with her recent record she's a hypocritical 2 faced liar.
Still being argumentative, I see. You really want to pick nits over this stuff? Show me where I said 'only.'
Salvation can't be earned. It's amusing to see someone who has never read the Bible try to mock what it says, because you clearly don't know what it says.
Perry and Bachmann are both religious zealots - something Middle America avoids like the plague...
My point was that you are relying on the New Yorker for what she believes. And considering the leftist, progressive slant of that sorry excuse for what used to be a worthwhile publication, I wouldn't believe them if they said that grass is green.
there are just as many or more logical arguements against, so we'll throw that out.Both myself and others have gone well beyond that and provided overwhelming logical proof.
there are just as many or more logical arguments against
i was looking for any convincing evidence for the supernatural.
just as philosophically logical arguments can be made in science, it is then backed up by experimental proof.
Fossten - forget Mark 12?
And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.
And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?
Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.
And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.
His religious denomination or faith doesn't matter to me a bit. I'd vote for an atheist if I thought he espoused conservative, American values. And I'd vote AGAINST a Baptist if he was like, say, Jimmy Carter. But this raises another question: Does it bother you that Obama claims to be a Christian, and went to a racist church for 20 years, and admits that he prays for God's help in making decisions?I figured you would like Perry - any man who organizes a prayer meeting using gubernatorial letterhead and staff seems to be your kind of guy - and the group he chose to fund his little prayer meeting - why the American Family Association, who believes that the First amendment really only applies to Christians - their 'sort' of Christians at that...
Middle America sort of likes the First - I don't think that they will vote for someone who is so closely associated with a group that wants to dismantle it.
Perry and Bachmann are both religious zealots - something Middle America avoids like the plague...
No, tithing doesn't lead to corruption. You are unable to support that logical leap. Sin leads to corruption. Tithing leads to blessings from God, and I can attest to that personally.Nope.
Say or advocate to tithe, which leads to corruption as we all have seen.
Objection, argumentative? Who is 'they' that you are referring to here? I was being hypothetical.Members or any person less fortunate?
Don't they help the poor, or just members?
Yes it does. Next question.Nope
I can stick on topic, can you?
Does your fathers ministry help the poor?
Knowing 'about' something isn't the same as knowing something. But thanks for admitting you have a very thin Biblical knowledge base.As far as knowing the bible, you know better then that foss.
I know about the book.
Oh, as far as everyone here stroking their ego by demonizing a woman as "stupid", consider