Man, I wish the Ls had the same engine options as the S-Type...

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Could you imagine if we could choose to have a 400 hp supercharged 4.2 liter Jag engine in our LS's like the S-TypeR? I'd have to wear a diaper cause every time I hit the gas I'd jizz myself. XD

Seriously though, why only the 2 engines? And why is the V8 a de-bored Jag variant? Damn you Ford! Give us a car that can COMPETE with the CTS-V!!!
 
I agree totally. A co worker is looking at an used STS-V. There's an shop out in Cali that tunes Cadillacs. Check this site out www.d3cadillac.com. They have some nice cars on there. My dad bought an STS last summer and I had thought about selling the LS and getting one at one time. I like them.
 
But if Lincoln isn't interested in giving us anything that even looks remotely cool, they certainly aren't gonna put out a motor that's gonna compete with Cadillac.
 
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This for the win folks. I'm sure they could cram it in there somehow, right?
 
Ghaleon64 said:
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This for the win folks. I'm sure they could cram it in there somehow, right?
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Hell yeah, we are talking about ford here! They would stuff a whale in a 20 Gallon tank if need be!

Just a few cuts here.. a few Cuts there..

TADA You have a Lincoln with no where to bolt struts, mount radiator or condenser, and of course, with a Five-Oh in her! HELL YEAHHH!! lmao..

Maybe if they Elongated the Font end ;P Make it look like a old DeVille

Oh and all those nasty Edges .. Those Will Buff out!
 
The difference between the Jag 4.0 and the Lincoln 3.9 is nothing more than cylinder liners. The LS has them and the Jag has none and uses, IIRC, a nikasil coating. The Jag needed the blower to compete with AMG and the "M" cars. If Lincoln had actually sold the LS worldwide a blown engine may have been in the works. Then again, why have one of your cars compete with another? Then, things started unraveling in ~2004 for the LS and the writing was on the wall.

You lamenters of the lack of an aftermarket need to realize to whom Lincoln marketed the LS. They were, right or wrong, after the BMW buyer. How many BMW owners modify their cars? For that matter, how many Jag or any other luxury brand owners modify their cars? The price of a used LS has fallen so much as to allow buyers who couldn't normally afford a luxury car to be able to purchase one. Lincoln never dreamed that an 18 year old would be able to afford the LS. Remember, these cars were near 50 large when new.

The LS never was and will never be (without taking away the luxury) a stoplight racer. It is an exceptionally well handling and reasonably powerful car when new.
 
Ghaleon64 said:
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This for the win folks. I'm sure they could cram it in there somehow, right?
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Travis2000LS said:
Hell yeah, we are talking about ford here! They would stuff a whale in a 20 Gallon tank if need be!

Just a few cuts here.. a few Cuts there..

TADA You have a Lincoln with no where to bolt struts, mount radiator or condenser, and of course, with a Five-Oh in her! HELL YEAHHH!! lmao..

Maybe if they Elongated the Font end ;P Make it look like a old DeVille

Oh and all those nasty Edges .. Those Will Buff out!
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it does fit. it has been done. ford did it. cammer fe has driven it. they did not produce it that way because the 4.6 was too wide to install from the bottom. the way all car companies install the engine when building cars.
 
LS4me said:
The difference between the Jag 4.0 and the Lincoln 3.9 is nothing more than cylinder liners. The LS has them and the Jag has none and uses, IIRC, a nikasil coating. The Jag needed the blower to compete with AMG and the "M" cars. If Lincoln had actually sold the LS worldwide a blown engine may have been in the works. Then again, why have one of your cars compete with another? Then, things started unraveling in ~2004 for the LS and the writing was on the wall.

You lamenters of the lack of an aftermarket need to realize to whom Lincoln marketed the LS. They were, right or wrong, after the BMW buyer. How many BMW owners modify their cars? For that matter, how many Jag or any other luxury brand owners modify their cars? The price of a used LS has fallen so much as to allow buyers who couldn't normally afford a luxury car to be able to purchase one. Lincoln never dreamed that an 18 year old would be able to afford the LS. Remember, these cars were near 50 large when new.

The LS never was and will never be (without taking away the luxury) a stoplight racer. It is an exceptionally well handling and reasonably powerful car when new.
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And thats all folks!
 
Ghaleon64 said:
Could you imagine if we could choose to have a 400 hp supercharged 4.2 liter Jag engine in our LS's like the S-TypeR? I'd have to wear a diaper cause every time I hit the gas I'd jizz myself. XD

Seriously though, why only the 2 engines? And why is the V8 a de-bored Jag variant? Damn you Ford! Give us a car that can COMPETE with the CTS-V!!!
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When you are done with the LS, just upgrade to 08 STR and you are set.
 
JoshMcMadMac said:
Lots of them. Check out places like bimmerforums.com!
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I agree completey, there is huge aftermarket for bimmers. They probably have more aftermarket than the mustang. There are thousands of body, engine, suspention parts, exhaust kits. And the list goes on.

Plus it has nothing to do with who Lincoln wanted to buy the car but who the aftermarket companies thought would buy the car, and what they saw was an expensive, under powered, overwieght grampa grocery toter.

Plus the American aftermarket has always been dominated buy straight line pedal mashin muscle cars so wheh they saw our little engine and 4 doors they were like uh-what
 
BMW definitely has a huge following with modified cars, that kind of goes along with actually having a "M"otorsports devision

it also doesn't hurt that they have factory supported race teams for their cars!
 
JoshMcMadMac said:
Lots of them. Check out places like bimmerforums.com!
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But these suppliers have been around for years. BMW's have been around for years. The LS had a 6 1/2 year run, producing less copies than BMW sells in a year! The USA isn't BMW's only market. They are like Chevys in Europe. Heck, they are even used as taxi cabs!

The OM explains it all when it says to go to the dealer to change a tail light bulb. That's what they think the extent of the Lincoln owners involvement in maintenance is.

All I'm saying is were the LS still being produced (why it isn't is complicated) they would probably be more expensive in the pre-owned market and out of the reach of the youngest buyers.

Gotta go or I would post more thoughts.
 
ls4me said:
the difference between the jag 4.0 and the lincoln 3.9 is nothing more than cylinder liners. The ls has them and the jag has none and uses, iirc, a nikasil coating. The jag needed the blower to compete with amg and the "m" cars. If lincoln had actually sold the ls worldwide a blown engine may have been in the works. Then again, why have one of your cars compete with another? Then, things started unraveling in ~2004 for the ls and the writing was on the wall.

You lamenters of the lack of an aftermarket need to realize to whom lincoln marketed the ls. They were, right or wrong, after the bmw buyer. How many bmw owners modify their cars? For that matter, how many jag or any other luxury brand owners modify their cars? The price of a used ls has fallen so much as to allow buyers who couldn't normally afford a luxury car to be able to purchase one. Lincoln never dreamed that an 18 year old would be able to afford the ls. Remember, these cars were near 50 large when new.

The ls never was and will never be (without taking away the luxury) a stoplight racer. It is an exceptionally well handling and reasonably powerful car when new.
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+1,000 this man knows what he's talking about :d!
 
LS4me said:
You lamenters of the lack of an aftermarket need to realize to whom Lincoln marketed the LS. They were, right or wrong, after the BMW buyer. How many BMW owners modify their cars? For that matter, how many Jag or any other luxury brand owners modify their cars? The price of a used LS has fallen so much as to allow buyers who couldn't normally afford a luxury car to be able to purchase one. Lincoln never dreamed that an 18 year old would be able to afford the LS. Remember, these cars were near 50 large when new.

The LS never was and will never be (without taking away the luxury) a stoplight racer. It is an exceptionally well handling and reasonably powerful car when new.
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I have to say you hit the nail! I bought my LS new six years ago. Since I was looking for a new car and was going to put my PU truck into service as my work vehicle I decided I was going to buy myself a birthday present (50). I had been looking at 5 series BMWs and doing some reading in "Road and Track" and "Car and Driver" for input. The LS was a critics choice in just about all sedan reviews at the time. Seeing how I could get an American car with V8 power new for the same cost as a 2 year old 5 series I went shopping and came home with the LS.
I do have to add that if Caddilac had put the Northstar in the CTS back then I would probably be driving one of those. I don't need another muscle car so the CTS V was out.
Another thing that made me wary of a BMW is reliability. They always have that nagging sentiment of something breaking and expensive repairs. The big unkept secret has always been to get rid of them around 60k so the headache falls on someone else.
I keep cars for a long time if they function properly and have worn several out well into the 100k range.
 
Good stuff in this thread.

I read somewhere here about Lincoln getting a bunch of cash soon. They should bring back the LS in updated form, with engine options, suspension options, etc. I think they spent so much money on developing the LS the first time around, they wouldn't need much more to make the improvements to the LS platform to compete with the CTS-v. A slight re-design with an updated look, with a V6/V8 (5.0 or 4.6) option, a boost option or two would be nice, auto and manual trans options, beef up the current suspension set up a little. That would be a winner IMO. The hard work is already done, refine it a bit and sell it with options from 25-30k up to 60-65k.

But Lincoln has gone so far away from the performance side IMO it doesn't seem like they care about competing with the CTS-v. When the average person hears 'Lincoln' they don't think of blistering performance, for the most part they think of grandpa and grandma driving the Town Car around to the antique malls and garage sales. Or the smokin hot rich soccer mom down the street in the Navigator....oh wait I was day dreamin for a sec. Anyway, a Lincoln LS could be marketed like the CTS-v (maybe call it the LSE :D ) and appeal to the performance crowd with a limited production HI Perf model of a car that is a proven success in a lot of ways like the LS.
 
hite337 said:
When the average person hears 'Lincoln' they don't think of blistering performance, for the most part they think of grandpa and grandma driving the Town Car around to the antique malls and garage sales. .
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Yup! When I bought my LS, one of my friends said," oh you bought a lincoln? You bought a grandpa car? Really?"

He hasn't seen it since I bought it, he's in for a big surprise. :cool:
 
Me too! When my now Ex-father-n-law heard I bought another Lincoln his exact comment was, "I didn't know you liked the Bro-mobile ghetto cruisers."

I had to explain to him it wasn't like a Town car.....and just so he could kinda understand what it looked like I said, "The front looks similar to a Beemer" :rolleyes:
 
hite337 said:
But Lincoln has gone so far away from the performance side IMO it doesn't seem like they care about competing with the CTS-v.
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Lincoln stated a year or so ago they saw their competition as Buick. I guess the days of Lincoln and Cadillac trading blows is over.
 
LS4me said:
The difference between the Jag 4.0 and the Lincoln 3.9 is nothing more than cylinder liners. The LS has them and the Jag has none and uses, IIRC, a nikasil coating. The Jag needed the blower to compete with AMG and the "M" cars. If Lincoln had actually sold the LS worldwide a blown engine may have been in the works. Then again, why have one of your cars compete with another? Then, things started unraveling in ~2004 for the LS and the writing was on the wall.

You lamenters of the lack of an aftermarket need to realize to whom Lincoln marketed the LS. They were, right or wrong, after the BMW buyer. How many BMW owners modify their cars? For that matter, how many Jag or any other luxury brand owners modify their cars? The price of a used LS has fallen so much as to allow buyers who couldn't normally afford a luxury car to be able to purchase one. Lincoln never dreamed that an 18 year old would be able to afford the LS. Remember, these cars were near 50 large when new.

The LS never was and will never be (without taking away the luxury) a stoplight racer. It is an exceptionally well handling and reasonably powerful car when new.
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Some details, above, need a re-look. Although there was an original intention to use the nikisil process in the early AJ engines, the chemical treating process that is named nikisil was doomed, in Europe by a period of time in which the gasoline supplies had too much sulfur. The combustion by-products damaged the cylinder surfaces due to the sulfur and the AJ engine line went to cast-in-place iron cylinders in the aluminium blocks. This problem appeared in all European engines using nikisil liners. Some manufacturers ultimately went back to nikisil, but the AJ engine never did.

There is a 1 MM size difference between the 3.9 and 4.0, with the 4.0 using an 86 MM bore size. It's probably best to think of the 3.9 as a slightly simplified version of the Jaguar. The AJ engine line has been available in sizes as small as 3.2 litres, and as large as 5 litres. They are used in Jaguars, the Lincoln LS and Thunderbird, the Range Rover, and some versions of the Aston Martin

KS
 
LS4me said:
Lincoln stated a year or so ago they saw their competition as Buick. I guess the days of Lincoln and Cadillac trading blows is over.
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With what they are putting in show rooms the last few years, I would say their competion is Pontiac & Oldsmobile. Sorry, I know that sounds terrible but...
 
JMT03LSV8 said:
With what they are putting in show rooms the last few years, I would say their competion is Pontiac & Oldsmobile. Sorry, I know that sounds terrible but...
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Yea, but Oldsmobile went the way of honest politicians....
 
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