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http://content.usatoday.com/communi...llow-15-ethanol-in-gasoline-up-from-10-now-/1



Environmental Protection Agency will announce today that it allow a mix of up to 15% ethanol with gasoline in motor fuel for general use in vehicles built since 2007, up from the current 10% maximum, according to reports by the Associated Press and Bloomberg News.


The new blend could be confusing at the pump since motorists may have choose not just among octane ratings but also between E-10 and E-15 based on the age of what they are driving. While E-10 now is fairly common, stations are not required to offer either, and some have already said they are going to sit out the E-15 controversy by not offering it for now.

The move does not affect special E-85 fuel -- a mix that is 85% ethanol -- that already is allwed by the government. The fuel is sold primarily in the Midwest and requires the auto or machine engine to be designed as "flex fuel" so it can use the higher amount of more-corrosive ethanol without damage.

The EPA is expected to fairly quickly expand the approval of E-15 to vehicles built since 2001 after additional testing due to be finished next month. Some automakers and most makers of small engines, such as for lawn mowers have expressed worry about whether their non-flex fuel engines can operate on the 15% blend without damage. The ethanol industry asserts that testing has shown E-15 can be used without harm.

The move comes with the elections a month and away and administration has been under political pressure. Ethanol is primarily corn-based in this country and farm states have pushed for the government to promote more use of it. But a broad group of otherwise odd allies opposes it:

Opponents range from automakers, motor cycles makers and gas-engines makers (used in everything from leaf blowers to boat) to environmentalists, cattle ranchers, food companies and a broad coalition of other groups.

While engine makers fear damage, other opponents argue that producing more corn and using it for ethanol makes animal feed (and thus meat) costly and will raises supermarket prices for the wide range of foods containing corn products.

Environmentalists see it as bad use of land and as promoting energy intensive agriculture.

But the Obama administration has said it continues to support the renewable fuel and the EPA is under a rural state-sponsored congressional mandate to increase ethanol use. Congress has required refiners to blend 36 billion gallons (136 billion liters) of biofuels, mostly ethanol, into auto fuel by 2022 and the EPA says that can't be done without allowing at least a 15% blend.

The ethanol industry group Growth Energy petitioned the EPA earlier this year to allow E-15. The decision has been delayed twice as the EPA and Energy Department did more testing.

The Obama administration's decision to allow E-15 is a win for the ethanol industry as it faces losing its generous government subsidies. A key tax credit is to expire Dec. 31 and there's been opposition in Congress to renewing it.
 
As long as it doesnt mess up my engine i dont care.
 
As long as it doesnt mess up my engine i dont care.

What about the fuel pumps and the fuel level senders?

Even if it doesn't hurt them or the engine, it will hurt gas mileage and probably power.
 
Back when E10 first came out, there were a lot of problems with rubber and plastic component damage and corrosion and dirt being sucked into the fuel system from the alcohol loosening it up.

I don't think E15 will be as bad since car makers have made changes since then. But it appears many engine manufacturers are worried about it since the concentration is higher and may cause problems with systems that are able to tolerate E10 but not necessarily designed for E15. So the $64,000 question is a good one, especially since it worries the manufacturers.

Alcohol does give poor mileage in comparison to gas so you can expect a drop. Not so sure about performance since alcohol is supposed to be higher octane so there might be an improvement IF the engine computer is able to take advantage. I suspect the range of adjustment the computer can make will not make a significant difference.

Most likely a political bone thrown to grain farmers. Corn is not the most efficient method of gettin us away from oil, so no real benefit to Americans from this latest move.

Just my uneducated opinion,

Jim Henderson
 
The wide spread use of e-10 at most pumps around my area and this new INCREASE to 15% is concerning.

Older cars are already at a mechanical advantage due to age alone, now you are going to ask it to burn a damaging fuel on top of that?

Sounds rough.

I have read where the Chevy Flex fuel gets a huge amount less MPG with E-85 and makes less power on it.

If this stuff was $.88 per gallon, Trust me I would be all over it. But since its just about the exact same price as regular fuel I don't think I can see it's place.

E-85 does have an Octane advantage but for the average commuter it is a moot point. I mean your not going to run 17:1 compression on the Old Chevy Van now are you?
 
I'm not to worried about keeping my car running.

How much corn are they going to grow?
What will it do to the corn market?
Opponents range from automakers, motor cycles makers and gas-engines makers (used in everything from leaf blowers to boat) to environmentalists, cattle ranchers, food companies and a broad coalition of other groups.

In 2007 they were saying it was going to use 30 percent of all corn grown in the us. by the year 2012

http://www.cattlenetwork.com/Percen...or-Ethanol/2008-06-20/Article.aspx?oid=595584

Just food for thought.
 
The wide spread use of e-10 at most pumps around my area and this new INCREASE to 15% is concerning.

Older cars are already at a mechanical advantage due to age alone, now you are going to ask it to burn a damaging fuel on top of that?

Sounds rough.

I have read where the Chevy Flex fuel gets a huge amount less MPG with E-85 and makes less power on it.

If this stuff was $.88 per gallon, Trust me I would be all over it. But since its just about the exact same price as regular fuel I don't think I can see it's place.

E-85 does have an Octane advantage but for the average commuter it is a moot point. I mean your not going to run 17:1 compression on the Old Chevy Van now are you?

I'm not sure about the Chevy Flex Fuel info but my son bought a Chrysler mini van that was flex fuel and he asked me about saving money using the E-85 fuel since it is about 15 to 20 cents a gallon cheaper around here. According to a few websires I found, the power loss using the E-85 was almost nil BUT his 19 mpg would drop to 12 or 13 mpg to make the same amout of power. I wqould have to assume that going from E-10 to E-15 would most likely have a smaller similar effect.
 

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