MonsterMark
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Because it is coming from an Afro-Centric website. DUH! Did you take a stupid pill this morning? :slam
Michelle Obama tapes may be released by API to Fox News
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Because it is coming from an Afro-Centric website. DUH! Did you take a stupid pill this morning? :slam
Marcus
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So all the blacks are in cahoots? Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
BTW, who the hell messed up the page width here? Everything was find a few minutes ago.
MonsterMark
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This group of people at API happen to not like Odinga and his backer Obama.
I could see them fabricating this story to get America to report on it. Don't you see the irony. Obama goes over to Kenya and causes tons of grief and tries to manipulate an election for his cousin? My guess is these people see payback.
MonsterMark
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You should get out of the house a little more often. Is there more to this world than just your yard.
Here is a 'black' guy who doesn't sound like he likes 'some blacks' too much.
http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html
Marcus, I think you play the race card way too much.
TheDude
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Aren't you one of the "if a black person votes for Obama, it's because of skin color" loons?
Let's see John try a move like this!
What evidence do you have for that absurd exaguration and mischaracterization?
TheDude
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He's either made or agreed on the "it's all about race" comments. Also, did you notice that at the end of my sentence, I had a question mark and not a period, it's a question. I sometimes confuse you Rightwing loons and who said what.
Yeah, it is a hasty generalization in the form of a loaded question.
I would expect nothing less from you intellectually bankrupt leftists.
TheDude
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Yeah, it is a hasty generalization in the form of a leading question. I would expect nothing less from intellectually bankrupt leftists.
Here you go again, falsely throwing out wiki-fallacies like an angry sh!t-flinging ape. It was a question, hence the QUESTION MARK. Monster can simply answer "no".
Call me stupid or any other insult all you like, it shows how pathetic you are, since that's all you have when shown up.
Edit: I see you added another wiki-fallacy, sorry, it doesn't change anything; you're still a clown.
Yes, attack me. That way you don't have to defend or address your own dishonest actions. Never mind the fact that what I pointed out was accurate, and not "false" as you claim. Nice attempt to switch the subject. Another red herring that seems to strengthen my point.
"deflection" maybe?
And I didn't call you stupid. If you are going to attack me for insulting you, at least get the insult right.
I don't call people stupid. I draw specific conclusions on their honesty and integrity based on their actions here in the forum. Your actions create a picture that you apparently don't like, so you are attacking the messenger.
The fact that it bothers you to be called on making fallacious and dishonest arguments says much more about your integrity and, by extention, your character then calling you on those fallacies says about me. Maybe you should try to stop using fallacious and dishonest arguments.
What's that word Marcus keeps throwing out? projection?
"All I have when shown up"? A fallacious argument cannot logically counter any argument. How can an argument that I have correctly identified as fallacious, somehow logically counter any argument I make? You are not making sense now...
TheDude
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Yes, attack me. That way you don't have to defend or address your own dishonest actions. Never mind the fact that what I pointed out was accurate, and not "false" as you claim. Nice attempt to switch the subject. Another red herring that seems to strengthen my point.
"deflection" maybe?
And I didn't call you stupid. If you are going to attack me for insulting you, at least get the insult right.
I don't call people stupid. I draw specific conclusions on their honesty and integrity based on their actions here in the forum. Your actions create a picture that you apparently don't like, so you are attacking the messenger.
The fact that it bothers you to be called on making fallacious and dishonest arguments says much more about your integrity and, by extention, your character then calling you on those fallacies says about me. Maybe you should try to stop using fallacious and dishonest arguments.
What's that word Marcus keeps throwing out? projection?
Having a rough day, are we? I attacked you after you attacked me and I certainly did defend my position, did you miss the "I asked a question". I also said I believed Monster had supported or made a similar comment in regards to blacks-people/voting for Obama, so it wasn't me just randomly saying it and I even admitted I could have been wrong, i.e. it could have been someone else who said/supported it (end of post #32).
You said I was "intellectually bankrupt" (post 33), don't spin now and say it wasn't an insult in regards to my intelligence and it lacking.
The fact that you often claim (and wiki-cite) these fallacies in error says a lot about you. Maybe you should stop arbitrarily throwing them in a last ditch effort to support your position.
P.S. It was a question.
Characterizing anyone who holds the view you presented (if a black person votes for Obama, it's because of skin color) as a "loon" makes your question a loaded one, as it assumes anyone with that view is a loon.
It is also a statisical fact that many blacks are voting for Obama because he is black. It may well even be a majority of blacks who are voting in the presidential election are doing so because of race. It is therefore, not an absurd claim to make.
But you exagurated that view into "if a black person votes for Obama, it's because of skin color". That statement inherently assumes that all black people who vote for the president this year are doing so because of skin color. It is an exaguration, and thus a hasty generalization. I doubt Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams are voting against Obama because of skin color.
If you ment the comment as a joke, then it would have been appropriate to put a smiley fact behind the statement. Because that isn't there, it is appropriate to take it as a legitimate question.
The fact that it is a question does not negate it from being fallacious.
I am not spinning anything. I was referencing your demonstrated lack of honesty and integrity which I have called you on numerous times on this forum. Your take on what I said here is inconsistant with all that history on this forum.
It also was ment in a facetious manner, hence the smiley at the end. Apparantly I hit a little too close to home for you...
You also need to keep in mind that it was a response to your insult of me and all "right wingers" as "loons". So your claim that I insulted you first is flat out wrong.
My first post was simply an absurd, intentionally loaded question to show the aburdity of your question. "What evidence do you have for that absurd exaguration and mischaracterization?". Illustrating absurdity with absurdity.
I am very careful to identify fallacious arguments accurately. After months, you still haven't been able to show that I have not been accurate in any identification of a fallacious argument (without mischaracterization, or otherwise making a fallacious argument in the process), yet you love to claim that I am.
If an argument is fallacious, then there is no reason to waste any time on it outside of pointing out that it is not logical. Just because many (if not most) of your arguments happen to be fallacious and instead of debating the point being made I only take the time to point out that they are fallacious does not mean it is a "last ditch effort" on my part. I simply don't want to waste my time on an argument that is illogical.
Pointing out the fallacy of an opposing argument does not support my position, it simply shows that the opposing argument is crap. The argument may be able to be made in a logical manner that disproves my argument and provides an accurate critique of my position, but if the argument is fallacious, then it inherently cannot do that and is a waste of time.
Shining a light on fallacious arguments says nothing bad about me. You have to spin and mischaracterize my motives and accuracy in doing so before it does say anything bad about me. That is rather telling.
Heck, it was you who got me focused on fallacious arguments in the first place, when you claimed that Ben Stein was making an ad hitlerum argument in his movie "Expelled". I had never heard that term before and had to look it up to see if that characterization of Stein's argument was accurate (it wasn't) and weather it was relevant. That got me looking at the logic of other aguments and if they were fallacious.
So if you wanna blame anyone for my focus on the fallacious, take a look in the mirror.
Just a suggestion, how about you stop smearing me and turn that energy into making logical arguments instead.
TheDude
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Oh my, the King-Of-Pointing-Out-The-Fallacious, just made a Strawman (sorry, I see no need to wiki-link it), I never said Monster was a "loon" because of the "blacks/voting/race" issue, I think he's just a Rightwing loon, like many of the Rightwinger in here are.
And again, I asked a question; it wasn't a statement, so ramble all you like about it being "fallacious".
Yeah, you're spinning, you said I was "intellectually bankrupt", then lie about you not insulting my intelligence (ie being stupid). Your little "smilie" means two things, Jack & Sh!t, and Jack ran home. So if I say "Shagdrum, you're a complete imbecile" *smilie*, that excuses my insult?
Na, what I said.
And again, I asked a question; it wasn't a statement, so ramble all you like about it being "fallacious".
Yeah, you're spinning, you said I was "intellectually bankrupt", then lie about you not insulting my intelligence (ie being stupid). Your little "smilie" means two things, Jack & Sh!t, and Jack ran home. So if I say "Shagdrum, you're a complete imbecile" *smilie*, that excuses my insult?
Na, what I said.
I never said you called Bryan a loon because of the blacks/voting/race issue. How about you attack me on something I actually said
If anyone is making a strawman here it is you. You are mischaracterizing my argument as saying you called Bryan a loon based on the whole black/voting/race issue. I never did that. People can simply scroll up an read my words on that. It is clear that I wasn't doing that.
You really have no shame.
And as I pointed out, a question can be fallacious, especially a loaded question like you were asking. Here is the definition of a loaded question:
[a loaded question] is an informal fallacy or logical fallacy. It is committed when someone asks a question that presupposes something that has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved
So despite the fact that your interpretation of what I said is inconsistant with my actions in this forum (and the fact that I, being the one who said it, claim it was directed toward you integrity and honesty with regards to your intellect), you still believe that? What proof do you have? Can you some how read minds and have determined that it was my intention to call you stupid?
More proof by assertion on your part it seems.
You keep demonstrating that my conclusion that you have no intellectual integrity or honesty in this forum is accurate.
Do you really want an apology? Fine.
I am sorry if you thought I was calling you stupid. I was trying to give you sh!t over your lack of intellectual integrity and honesty that you so aptly demonstrate on a consistant basis here. Sorry if I didn't communicate things clearly.
Frankly, I would rather have someone call me stupid then say I have no honesty or integrity. Stupidity is genetic. Integrity and honesty are based on character.
TheDude
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Are you sure about that?
"Characterizing anyone who holds the view you presented (if a black person votes for Obama, it's because of skin color) as a "loon" makes your question a loaded one, as it assumes anyone with that view is a loon." -Shagdrum (post #37)
And as I pointed out, a question can be fallacious, especially a loaded question like you were asking. Here is the definition of a loaded question:
[a loaded question] is an informal fallacy or logical fallacy. It is committed when someone asks a question that presupposes something that has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved
So despite the fact that your interpretation of what I said is inconsistant with my actions in this forum (and the fact that I, being the one who said it, claim it was directed toward you integrity and honesty with regards to your intellect), you still believe that? What proof do you have? Can you some how read minds and have determined that it was my intention to call you stupid?
More proof by assertion on your part it seems.
You keep demonstrating that my conclusion that you have no intellectual integrity or honesty in this forum is accurate.
Do you really want an apology? Fine.
I am sorry if you thought I was calling you stupid. I was trying to give you sh!t over your lack of intellectual integrity and honesty that you so aptly demonstrate on a consistant basis here. Sorry if I didn't communicate things clearly.
Frankly, I would rather have someone call me stupid then say I have no honesty or integrity. Stupidity is genetic. Integrity and honesty are based on character.
I was asking a question and "na, what I said."
Oh, no apology needed, I'm perfectly fine with insults, it's your crying about me insulting you in retaliation that bothers me. So dish it if you wish, I welcome it, just don't cry foul later.
Positive!
"Characterizing anyone who holds the view you presented (if a black person votes for Obama, it's because of skin color) as a "loon" makes your question a loaded one, as it assumes anyone with that view is a loon." -Shagdrum (post #37)
...and where in that quote did I claim you were calling Bryan a loon based on the black/voting/race issue? I said "anyone", not "Bryan" or "MonsterMark" or anything like that. There is no way you can logically draw the conclusion you are drawing from that statement.
But is rather likely that you are not drawing a conclusion here. I bet you most likely made an assumption and are trying to find a quote to justify it. If that is all you can come up with, then you have nothing to justify your assumption.
Also, keep in mind, that quote was a response to you claiming you were not making a fallacious argument in the form of a loaded question.
I haven't attacked your intelligence, but I am beginning to wonder. You cannot reasonably draw that conclusion from that statement. You are assuming
My intent is, first and formost, to point out when you are being dishonest, not to insult ( though after a point, I frankly could care less weather I insult you or not). However, is seems that when you insult and belittle, it is to draw attention away from your actions.
There is a rational basis for every "insult" I have made toward you (at least since I started focusing on fallacious arguments after the Expelled thread). It is a rational conclusion given your actions. There is never a rational basis for your claims towards me. They are either based on mischaracterization of me and my actions, or are flat out irrelevant and unfounded (calling me a "clown", for instance). You are smearing, plain and simple.
TheDude
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Dance all you like, Monster happens to be the topic (or part of) we're discussing and I didn't call him or "anyone" else for that matter a loon because of the 'black/voting/Obama' issue. That was your, as you say "assumption" (aka Strawman), Mr. Scarecrow.
Oh great debater; my hero, you insult and it's rational, I insult to distract, despite that you insulted first. Here, I'll make it easy for you, since your self-inflated ego has over-crowded yet anther thread. *leaves*
(Direct any further of your masterful insights on the issue to the nearest brick wall, if you can't find a suitable structure, any patch of dirt will do.)
MonsterMark
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The question is...
Which Loon am I?
left wing or right wing
Which Loon am I?
left wing or right wing
fossten
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What a whining beyotch.
I'm so glad I set Deville to ignore.
I'm so glad I set Deville to ignore.
TheDude
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Hahhaaaa, coming from the guy who cries and puts people on ignore, that is classic.
Do have the decency to completely ignore me and not direct anything towards me, since I'm on your ignore list and all, fruitcake.
Well, since I have yet to hit the 'ignore' button.... 
I thought you wouldn't be able to see Mr Dude's posts if he was on your list - isn't that how it works? Something just pops up that says 'post ignored'.
If that is the case Foss - how do you know Mr Dude is a 'whining beyotch'?
Just a generality? Or does the 'ignore' thing work differently than that?
I thought you wouldn't be able to see Mr Dude's posts if he was on your list - isn't that how it works? Something just pops up that says 'post ignored'.
If that is the case Foss - how do you know Mr Dude is a 'whining beyotch'?
Just a generality? Or does the 'ignore' thing work differently than that? Marcus
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You can still see what someone else quotes from them.Well, since I have yet to hit the 'ignore' button....
I thought you wouldn't be able to see Mr Dude's posts if he was on your list - isn't that how it works? Something just pops up that says 'post ignored'.
If that is the case Foss - how do you know Mr Dude is a 'whining beyotch'?