Biden double gaffe - FDR spoke on TV in 1929

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"Part of what being a leader does is to instill confidence is to demonstrate what he or she knows what they are talking about and to communicating to people ... this is how we can fix this,"
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Biden said.
"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'look, here's what happened.'"
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1. FDR wasn't President in 1929.

2. There was no television in 1929.

Exit question: Is Biden a liar, or simply a moron?
 
don't those same people make fun of Sarah Palin by saying that she thinks Jesus had a pet dinosaur?
 
"I've coined new words, like, misunderstanding and Hispanically." -George W. Bush, speaking at the Radio & Television Correspondents dinner, March 29, 2001
 
TheDude said:
"I've coined new words, like, misunderstanding and Hispanically." -George W. Bush, speaking at the Radio & Television Correspondents dinner, March 29, 2001
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That's called self-deprecating humor.
The Obamessiah is outraged when someone mentions his big ears.
 
Calabrio said:
The Obamessiah is outraged when someone mentions his big ears.
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Maybe that is how he plans to lower the sea level! Flap those big ears and the wind created will push back the shoreline! :p
 
fossten said:
Biden said.

1. FDR wasn't President in 1929.

2. There was no television in 1929.

Exit question: Is Biden a liar, or simply a moron?
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I'm always stunned by the superficial and inconsequential things you guys get worked up about.

The only thing Biden screwed up on was "television". The stock market didn't just crash in a single day. It went on a roller coaster for several years, with the bottom being reached between the end of 1932 and March, 1933, the same month Roosevelt was sworn in to office. The very day he was sworn in, the banks were in the middle of a major panic. Banks were closing left and right, credit was impossible to get, and a rush on banks ensued. So in one of his first acts as president, Roosevelt declared a "bank holiday" in order to let things cool down.

A few days later, on March 12th, 1933, Roosevelt addressed the nation in his first "Fireside Chat", where he explained what was happening and what he was doing about it.

So yeah, Biden really really screwed up by using the word "television". He should have immediately stepped down as a candidate for this historic, monumental, outrageous mistake. Thank God he didn't declare that the "fundamentals of the economy are strong". Now THAT would have been an outrage! :rolleyes:
 
Marcus said:
I'm always stunned by the superficial and inconsequential things you guys get worked up about.

The only thing Biden screwed up on was "television". The stock market didn't just crash in a single day. It went on a roller coaster for several years, with the bottom being reached between the end of 1932 and March, 1933, the same month Roosevelt was sworn in to office. The very day he was sworn in, the banks were in the middle of a major panic. Banks were closing left and right, credit was impossible to get, and a rush on banks ensued. So in one of his first acts as president, Roosevelt declared a "bank holiday" in order to let things cool down.

A few days later, on March 12th, 1933, Roosevelt addressed the nation in his first "Fireside Chat", where he explained what was happening and what he was doing about it.

So yeah, Biden really really screwed up by using the word "television". He should have immediately stepped down as a candidate for this historic, monumental, outrageous mistake. Thank God he didn't declare that the "fundamentals of the economy are strong". Now THAT would have been an outrage! :rolleyes:
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Biden is a moron, and you know it. He was obviously referring to the Wall Street crash of 1929. He even said 1929. You're actually lying about what he said now, as well as mischaracterizing what I said. I never used the words historic, monumental, or outrageous. That's a straw man and an exaggeration.

By the inauguration of Franklin D. Roosevelt as president in March 1933, the banking system of the United States had largely ceased to function. Depositors had seen $140 billion disappear when their banks failed. Businesses could not get credit for inventory. Checks could not be used for payments because no one knew which checks were worthless and which were sound.
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And the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Your mockery displays very simplistic thinking, devoid of depth and clearly brainwashed by talking points. I'm sure you don't even know what the fundamentals of the economy are.

What the pessimists ignore is that the fundamentals of the U.S. economy remain strong. Indeed, the World Economic Forum has ranked the United States as the world's most competitive economy for the last two years. (The new survey comes out next month.) Its statistics show that per-capita gross domestic product in the U.S. consistently has grown faster than in other developed economies since 1980.

Looking deeper at the causes of American competitiveness shows that we score especially strongly not only in domestic market size (No. 1 in the world) but also in such areas as time required to start a business (No. 3), venture capital availability (No. 1), the cost of firing an employee (No. 1), ownership of personal computers (No. 2), university/industry research collaboration (No. 1) and quality of scientific research institutions (No. 2). The availability of venture capital might be affected temporarily by the market turmoil, and we should worry if Democrats gain control of both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue in November because they might exacerbate what the survey found to be the two most "problematic" issues for doing business in the U.S. -- high tax rates and cumbersome tax regulations.

But whatever happens in the next few months, most of the other advantages that have been powering the U.S. economy forward for decades will remain unchanged.
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jhargarage said:
Biden is right I was there watching on tv and tunin the Lincoln..............
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Ha. Reminds me of Eddie Murphy talking about the slaves in the old days of America:


Brothers act like they couldn't have been slaves back 200 years ago. It's like the motherf***ers LIKED that sh*t. "I wish I was a slave, I would :f*** somebody up! Sh**, tell ME to bale some motherf***ing cotton! I would been on the street and sh**, would've come up and say, "Ay, yo, ni***r, bale this cotton!" I would say, "Suck my DICK, masta!" And then I would have got in my muthaf***in' Lincoln, and drove the f*** off!"
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:D
 
fossten said:
Biden is a moron, and you know it. He was obviously referring to the Wall Street crash of 1929. He even said 1929. You're actually lying about what he said now, as well as mischaracterizing what I said. I never used the words historic, monumental, or outrageous. That's a straw man and an exaggeration.
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Show me the quote where he said "1929".

When FDR came into office in 1933, there was a serious bank crisis going on at the time. In response, the stock market plunged even lower than it was in 1929. It was one of the many defining moments of the Great Depression. Everybody knows who was president when the stock market collapsed, including Biden. He was obviously generalizing in order to quickly make his point. The fact remains that the stock market was still "crashing" when FDR took office, and that he did indeed address the nation as Biden described.

By the way, there's a difference between a straw man argument and just being sarcastic. Since you obviously couldn't figure out my meaning, I'll clue you in: Sarcasm.

fossten said:
And the fundamentals of the economy are strong. Your mockery displays very simplistic thinking, devoid of depth and clearly brainwashed by talking points. I'm sure you don't even know what the fundamentals of the economy are.
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And Paul Krugman says otherwise. So what?

You'll excuse me if I don't take the word of a right-wing editorialist at face value. His arguments are based on ratings that are a year old, and even some of those are just plain silly. #1 in personal computer ownership? Big effing deal. On the other hand... #1 in venture capital availability? Heh, I wonder if that rating might get an adjustment this time around.

Weak, very weak.
 
Marcus, stop defending an obvious mistake.
He said when "the stock market crashed." Hee's clearly talking about a catastrophic event in this description, not a prolonged economic condition. The Great Crash of 1929 is obviously what he's referring to.

Marcus, show me where Biden said, "After FDR took office and he got around to address the continued stock market troubles that were plaguing the economy he got on TV"

He didn't.
Your defense indicates that Biden actually meant what he said. It's obvious to all but the most stubborn Biden cheerleader that he screwed up. He has a history of making these silly gaffes. He speaks without thinking.

No one really thinks that Biden doesn't know that FDR wasn't President in 1929, but that's not what he said during that interview. And besides the gaffe, it's made even funnier by the fact he prefaces this revision of history with "Part of what a leader does to instill confidence is demonstrate that he or she knows what they’re talking about."
 
fossten said:
You know, I'm pretty sure Bush never uttered anything quite this stupid.
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From a little speech in 2003:

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pektel said:
From a little speech in 2003:
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Do we need to have this discussion again?
If I explain to you why you're comment is ignorant, will you even bother to read or retain it? Because it's really tiresome.

First, Bush wasn't personally responsible for the banner.
Second, the banner wasn't referring to all operations in Iraq, it was referring to those shipman's involvement in the initial invasion. That mission was accomplished, the regime had been removed, and those on that carrier were on their way home.

So, in direct response to your comment, Biden's comment was much dumber.
 
TL ; DR :D

okay, here you go:

"I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it…I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet….I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't — you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." —

President George W. Bush, after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004
 
You mean that stupid "gotcha" question they tried to entrap him into answering during the middle of a Presidential campaign?

Again, Biden wins that round also. It would have been stupid to have Answered such a question because we would have seen it repeated endlessly throughout the rest of the election.

But I'll one up you, here's one from Obama:
On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.
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"My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire."

—radio address, Feb. 24, 2001

Oh, and for the record, it was a stupid thing to say on Biden's part.
 
There's nothing stupid about that. Here's the full quote:

My budget blueprint will restrain spending, yet meet growing needs with a reasonable 4 percent growth rate, which is a little more than inflation. After paying the bills, my plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire. That would be a good worry to have..

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/02/20010224.html

The concern at the time was that you can only retire debt at a given rate, for example bonds have to mature before you can pay them.
 
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