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McCain-Gustav '08

http://www.slate.com/id/2198984/

The hurricane upsets the GOP Convention but may be good for the GOP.
By John Dickerson
Posted Sunday, Aug. 31, 2008, at 9:18 PM ET

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Gustav is now the third name on John McCain's ticket. Depending on how McCain responds, he may actually benefit from its presence—and those in the hurricane's path could also benefit from the politicization of the response.
As the hurricane bears down on the Gulf Coast, McCain has been thrust into a quasi-presidential role of reacting to the weather on the public stage. He has all but halted the convention. The first day will be limited to just parliamentary activities. Tuesday is also probably shot. His campaign has chartered a plane to send worried delegates back home. The vast roster of fundraisers in town has been put to work raising money for the relief effort. The party atmosphere has been redirected. The Distilled Spirits Council, aka the booze lobby, has turned its Monday party into a fundraiser for the Red Cross.
Almost exactly three years to the day that President Bush created a new standard for botching the political response to a natural disaster, McCain is not going to repeat Bush's mistake. On Sunday, he flew with Sarah Palin to Mississippi to survey preparations. When the GOP announced it was scaling back the convention, McCain kicked off the announcement by appearing by satellite. "I wanna thank all of my fellow Republicans as we take off our Republican hats and put on our American hats and we say 'America, we're with you. America, we're going to care for these people in their time of need' and we're gonna display it in every possible way as Americans always have and Americans always will."
For the moment, the disaster benefits McCain, because like all great political moments, it allows him to act authentically and yet benefit politically. One of the worst political clichés actually is true at this moment: Good policy is good politics. All McCain has to do is keep his aides off the phones talking about the politics of the storm, and he'll be in a position to benefit from it. (And so far, he looks like he's done that, too.)
The theme of McCain's campaign was already going to be that he puts the country first while Barack Obama puts himself first. The second phrase will drop, but McCain gets a chance to underscore the first half by turning his convention into a national moment of service. "A call to service for all," as his Web site puts it. (Obama has a Web site, too).
By taking bold public steps, he also burnishes his credentials as a crisis manager and distances himself from Bush. McCain has often criticized Bush for not calling the nation to action after Sept. 11. Now he can show how he would be different rather than just tell us about it. (That Bush and Cheney had to cancel their Monday night appearances at the convention is also good news for McCain.)
Before the storm, convention delegates were buzzing with delight about the Palin pick. "There's just a zing in everyone's step," one delegate told me before exiting our hotel elevator. Republican women are thrilled to have one of their own. One gun enthusiast gushed about having a fellow "stompin' momma" on the ticket. Evangelicals are delighted not only because Palin is a woman of faith, but because by choosing Palin, McCain has sent a signal about how much he cares about that part of his party. Delegates can continue to celebrate the pick without seeming overtly political—and Palin gets a little room to practice for her new role.
The Obama campaign, meanwhile, has toned down its rhetoric, and the DNC has shuttered its "More of the Same" opposition office in St. Paul at least for a day. Don Fowler, the South Carolina Democratic Party chairman didn't get the memo and stupidly joked that the hurricane was God's favor to Democrats . (There has been a small mini-trend in weather-related stupidity this election cycle. Before Fowler, the boobery prize belonged to the Focus on the Family commentator who had mused about praying for rain on Obama's speech in Denver.)
When and if the GOP Convention gets under way, it will be all about service and sacrifice—which are easy themes for Republicans to speechify about and hard for the Democrats to knock directly. If Democrats continue their current strategy and attack McCain and Palin for offering nothing new, they'll run the risk of seeming too political before the national pause on politics is over. Or they'll look like they're not sufficiently committed to such all-American virtues like service and national brotherhood.
It may seem crass to talk about the politics of this event, but in the post Katrina world, no natural disaster can be divorced from its political implications. No one wants to admit this. But both campaigns are acting politically if for no other reason than to appear as though they're not acting politically. At any rate, it may just be possible that politics is helpful in a situation like this: The political impulse for both McCain and Obama is to do as much as they can to help those affected.
If you've read this far and still feel ambivalent about thinking about the politics of an event in which many people are already being displaced and suffering, then allow me to make a practical suggestion for putting politics here to good use here. Both candidates have boasted about their talents for bipartisanship. Both have also paid for ad time all over the country for advertisements (in some cases, attack ads) that are scheduled to air over the next few days.
So here's my idea: McCain and Obama should create a joint ad calling for donations and prayers to those affected by Gustav, and run those in place of the ads already scheduled. After all, attack ads—and attack ads in response to attack ads—make it onto the air in matter of hours. So there's no doubt the McCain and Obama campaigns could do this if they wanted to. If you think they should, call them: Obama's at (866) 675-2008, McCain's at (703) 418-2008. No one is practicing politics right now, so they should be able to respond to your call.

 
Buzz Kill

How the Democrats are responding

http://slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/08/31/buzz-kill.aspx


Hurricane Gustav is more than 1,000 miles from St. Paul, but its impact on the Republican Convention has already been substantial: canceled speeches, parties (they’re now charity fundraisers), and appearances. Equally flustered are mischief-making Democrats in St. Paul.
Buzz Kill for the Democrats

The Dems had planned a whole week of counterprogramming right across the street from the Xcel Center in St. Paul. They plastered billboards across the city featuring the famous McCain-Bush hug. Their war room, the “More of the Same Media Center,” was going to hold daily briefings for reporters (“with breakfast!”). They were even passing out flash drives with up-to-the-minute agitprop, which they called “St. Paul Survival Kits.”
Needless to say, survival kits aren’t quite as funny now.
Even before the Republicans decided to cancel all of Monday’s events save the most technical proceedings, the Democrats started dismantling. Sunday’s afternoon reception was canceled, as was Monday’s morning briefing. The MOTSMC is in hibernation until further notice. “Our thoughts and prayers are with the families in the region,” wrote DNC spokesman Damien LaVera in a statement.
If Republicans are in a tough spot, then Democrats’ position is even more difficult. The GOP doesn’t want to look insensitive by ignoring the hurricane, nor does it want to appear to be exploiting a tragedy. The Dems, meanwhile, don’t want to be seen as accusing the Republicans of exploiting a tragedy for political purposes—because that’s exploitation, too. In other words, if the Democrats attack, neither party comes out looking good. It’s kamikaze or nothing.
So instead, it’s become a contest to do the most good. Republicans are urging RNC party-throwers to collect money for charity. Obama has promised to use his list of millions to mobilize donors and volunteers. He also declined to hit McCain for his intended visit to New Orleans. “I think for John to want to find out what's going on is fine,” he said. If only there had been a presidential race going on in August 2005.
Of course, peace can’t reign forever. McCain campaign manager Rick Davis emphasized that as of now, they’re canceling events only through 5:30 p.m. Monday. The Dems have likewise kept their options open past Monday morning. But it’s up to the Republicans to make the first slip. Today’s press conference was a masterwork in tact—McCain made a passionate appeal, while Davis exuded calm. But the Democrats are no doubt operating with a hair trigger. The first whiff of exploitation or insensitivity or managerial incompetence, and the snipers across the street will snap back into action.
Then again, if the Republicans manage to turn this from a distraction into a redemption story, the Democrats may need all the survival kits they can get.
Published Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:52 PM by Christopher Beam
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It looks like McCain has become the "fortunate" One, turning the tables on Obama, taking the limelight away and showing what a real president acts like.
 
"It looks like McCain has become the "fortunate" One, turning the tables on Obama, taking the limelight away and showing what a real president acts like."

Yeah, a real president exploits the "fortunes" (your word, not mine) of a national tragedy. McCain's an sob.
 
"It looks like McCain has become the "fortunate" One, turning the tables on Obama, taking the limelight away and showing what a real president acts like."

Yeah, a real president exploits the "fortunes" (your word, not mine) of a national tragedy. McCain's an sob.

What is McCain "exploiting?"
He's responding to what could be a disaster in a responsible way.

If it's handled well, then it reflects well upon him, as it should. If he doesn't, then it reflects poorly on him. In the meantime, he's going to lose two or three days of media time that would be showcasing him, telling his noble story, and injecting energy into the campaign.
 
What is McCain "exploiting?"
He's responding to what could be a disaster in a responsible way.

If it's handled well, then it reflects well upon him, as it should. If he doesn't, then it reflects poorly on him. In the meantime, he's going to lose two or three days of media time that would be showcasing him, telling his noble story, and injecting energy into the campaign.

Yeah whatever :eyeroll:

That batchit old dumb cluck didn't give a damn about Hurricane Katrina victims and wants us to believe he really cares about Gustav.

McCain can rot.
 
Yeah, a real president exploits the "fortunes" (your word, not mine) of a national tragedy. McCain's an sob.

By "fortunate" I mean the hurricaine has timed itself such that he looks good toning down the first few days of the convention in response.
It plays well with his "Country First" slogan.
Obama would do the same thing in McCain's place but it seems Obama's luck has started to run out since McCain's VP announcement blew him off the front pages and crushed his post convention glow.:D :D :)
 
Yeah whatever :eyeroll:

That batchit old dumb cluck didn't give a damn about Hurricane Katrina victims and wants us to believe he really cares about Gustav.

McCain can rot.
Hey, great comeback! :rolleyes:

You ever think about teaching debate? :D
 
By "fortunate" I mean the hurricaine has timed itself such that he looks good toning down the first few days of the convention in response.
It plays well with his "Country First" slogan.
Obama would do the same thing in McCain's place but it seems Obama's luck has started to run out since McCain's VP announcement blew him off the front pages and crushed his post convention glow.:D :D :)

Sorry, McCain's VP announcement hasn't put McCain ahead in the polls.
 
Democrats are always higher in the polls till after labor day when the real campaigning starts.
Then their loser heritage takes over as they slide and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Lets see how Obama does without his teleprompter.
The debates will really tell the difference between the candidates.
 

Wrong, sport. That poll is already old, having concluded on August 30th.

Looking at trial heats concluded on August 31st, we see that Obama is still in the lead:

http://pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

Tracking polls ending on Monday, September 1st (today) have Obama at 47% and put him up to 49% when you include leaners.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ial_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

But if you want to go by ollllllllld polls you go ahead and do that. :cool:
 
Democrats are always higher in the polls till after labor day when the real campaigning starts.
Then their loser heritage takes over as they slide and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Lets see how Obama does without his teleprompter.
The debates will really tell the difference between the candidates.

John McCain is going to have a hard time in a real debate forum against an attorney (read: professional debater), where the questions aren't written through the rose colored glasses of a religious fanatic.

Ah, the real campaigning started today? You mean on the same time that John McCain cancelled the opening to his convention?

On the day that Ms. Anticorruption had to hire an attorney because she herself is under an ethics investigation? :lol:

Does anyone know how long the flight to Alaska takes? :cool:
 
Palin has a few days to present herself on the national stage and how well she does will set the tone for the rest of the election.
Until then the polls are meaningless.
Just because Obama is a lawyer doesn't mean he's a good debater.
He does very well with a script and a teleprompter but not so well when he has to be spontaneous.
The story just gets more fascinating with this historic election as we start down to the finish.
 
Max,

Just an FYI, Rasmussen is the end-all-be-all poll around these parts, unless it shows poorly for the Reps/Con, then it's bias liberal agenda.

LOL

You know I really think that there were plenty of credible choices John McCain could have made selecting a running mate. I might not have agreed with their policy positions, but there are Republicans with - at the very least - credible backgrounds. At least Giuliani and Romney had their law doctorates. This woman has a bachelors degree in...communications. Even Bush has an MBA. In this day an age a bachelor's degree is an unacceptable educational background to lead a country. She's the governor of Alaska for Christ's sake, a state with fewer inhabitants than the metropolitan region of my home town (Buffalo, New York) and already under investigation for violations of ethical canons. The icing on the cake comes in that Palin is a self described creationist, a fanatical religious position holding that the Earth was created in it's present form in the year 4,004 B.C. A person doesn't get more out of touch with reality than that. :lol:
 
Palin has a few days to present herself on the national stage and how well she does will set the tone for the rest of the election.
Until then the polls are meaningless.

Polls never mean anything when it's your candidate that's down. It sure as hell meant something to you when the old poll had McCain up, marginally, so quit bull*****ing me. :rolleyes:

McCain could have put New York into play if he nominated Giuliani or, at the very least picked a credible candidate that voters in the swing states could take seriously. Instead, he picks an intellectual lightweight "hockey mom" (this is a frickin joke...I haven't laughed so hard in my life) who hasn't set foot the mainland United States since taking her seat at the Governor...OF ALASKA :lol: a year or so back.

And you're telling me that senility hasn't set in on John McCain?!?! Oh my God! :bowrofl:

You have a point though. She has a matter of several days to present herself to the American public and prove that she isn't a hypocrite on ethics, on family values; prove that she isn't a complete imbecile on science; and prove that she could lead this country in the event of John McCain's demise.

But it ain't going to happen. Most people in this country are unaffected by John McCain's choice. Roughly equal amounts of people have been moved to one side or the other by the pick. Most don't believe she's ready to lead. And now she's hired a lawyer which means, you guessed it, the s***'s hitting the fan in Alaska on the ethics investigation on her.

This country turned into exactly what George Carlin said it would turn into. Too bad he isn't alive to see it.
 
LOL

You know I really think that there were plenty of credible choices John McCain could have made selecting a running mate. I might not have agreed with their policy positions, but there are Republicans with - at the very least - credible backgrounds. At least Giuliani and Romney had their law doctorates. This woman has a bachelors degree in...communications. Even Bush has an MBA. In this day an age a bachelor's degree is an unacceptable educational background to lead a country. She's the governor of Alaska for Christ's sake, a state with fewer inhabitants than the metropolitan region of my home town (Buffalo, New York) and already under investigation for violations of ethical canons. The icing on the cake comes in that Palin is a self described creationist, a fanatical religious position holding that the Earth was created in it's present form in the year 4,004 B.C. A person doesn't get more out of touch with reality than that. :lol:
You're seriously attacking Palin on her qualifications? I must remind you that she has more executive experience as our #2 than your #1 has. Furthermore, Delaware is about the same size as Alaska pop-wise, and Biden's not even running it. Obama's never run anything as big as a 7/11.

Case in point: Can you name your state senator without looking up his/her name?

I didn't think so.

That's how important Obama's experience is. Remember, he's been running for Prez since day 143 of his U.S. Senatorial career, which by the way wouldn't have had a chance of even being if Mike Ditka had decided to run. The man hasn't even been doing his current job as long as Palin's been doing hers.

In short, I feel more comfortable with our ticket than you should with yours.

Moreover, being under investigation has been the rite of passage for Democrat candidates for years. I would think this should qualify her in your book. Maybe if she had another lover who did a spread in Playgirl she'd have a better chance, eh?

The best comeback occurs Election Night when your candidate loses.
Good luck with that. Without Ross Perot, you guys have a lot of work to do. Remember that Dukakis was up 20 points at this time in 1988. :rolleyes:
 
"Case in point: Can you name your state senator without looking up his/her name?"

Bill Stachowski. I've been involved in politics in my area for 30 years. Originally ran against him as a Republican. Try again next time. :p
 
You're seriously attacking Palin on her qualifications? I must remind you that she has more executive experience as our #2 than your #1 has.


In short, I feel more comfortable with our ticket than you should with yours.

Moreover, being under investigation has been the rite of passage for Democrat candidates for years. I would think this should qualify her in your book. Maybe if she had another lover who did a spread in Playgirl she'd have a better chance, eh?


Good luck with that. Without Ross Perot, you guys have a lot of work to do. Remember that Dukakis was up 20 points at this time in 1988. :rolleyes:

1. Your candidate is a loony lightweight who believes the Earth appeared out of nowhere in 4,004 B.C.

2. Your candidate holds nothing more than a bachelor's degree in communication and is educationally unqualified to deal with the many educated leaders in our nation and the world.

3. The only "executive experience" your candidate has is waking up at three am to deal with a moose stuck in a trash can. (Maher)

4. If you had the power you KNOW you would get her out of that ethics investigation. Don't even start with me on marital infidelity, that's something John McCain knows a lot about. :p

Your ticket is toast and deep down you know it. :D
 
"Case in point: Can you name your state senator without looking up his/her name?"

Bill Stachowski. I've been involved in politics in my area for 30 years. Originally ran against him as a Republican. Try again next time. :p
:bsflag:

Try again yourself.

Your boy is a nobody, a creation of the media. He has no executive experience. Even Hillary says McCain is more qualified to be President. :bowrofl:
 
1. Your candidate is a loony lightweight who believes the Earth appeared out of nowhere in 4,004 B.C.

2. Your candidate holds nothing more than a bachelor's degree in communication and is educationally unqualified to deal with the many educated leaders in our nation and the world.

3. The only "executive experience" your candidate has is waking up at three am to deal with a moose stuck in a trash can. (Maher)

4. If you had the power you KNOW you would get her out of that ethics investigation. Don't even start with me on marital infidelity, that's something John McCain knows a lot about. :p

Your ticket is toast and deep down you know it. :D
#1: Using terms like "loony lightweight" marginalizes you as a name caller and a troll. If you want to discuss the differences in qualifications, Calabrio has already linked a comparison. But go ahead, cling to the "Bachelor's degree" and "creationist" canards. They won't hold water; even the media won't bother with them. By the way, which candidate are you attacking? McCain is running for president, in case you didn't know.

#2: And you're the self appointed arbiter who decides which degree makes you qualified? That's hilarious. Communication =/= dealing with educated leaders? Ok, that's even funnier.

Your point #3 is lame, and your source is a demagogue that nobody takes seriously. How about this one: Your candidate's executive experience consists of...uh...um...well...

#4: You're the one who started that. I was responding to it.
 
:bsflag:

Try again yourself.

Your boy is a nobody, a creation of the media. He has no executive experience. Even Hillary says McCain is more qualified to be President. :bowrofl:

Check the records yourself at the Erie County Board of Elections, 1980 canvass. Doofus. :cool:
 
"But go ahead, cling to the "Bachelor's degree" and "creationist" canards. They won't hold water; even the media won't bother with them. "

Sarah Palin is a self described creationist. This is not up for debate and it has been reported by every major news network - CNN, Fox, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc., etc. Palin also advocates the teaching of creationism in classes.

"#2: And you're the self appointed arbiter who decides which degree makes you qualified? That's hilarious. Communication =/= dealing with educated leaders? Ok, that's even funnier."

I've voted in every election since I became registered to vote while serving in the military in 1959. *I* decide who gets *MY* vote. You bet your ass I decide who's qualified and who isn't. The woman is an intellectual lightweight.

"Your point #3 is lame, and your source is a demagogue that nobody takes seriously. How about this one: Your candidate's executive experience consists of...uh...um...well..."

Dealing with polar bear issues isn't the kind of executive experience the presidential job entails. Citing "executive experience" for any side is a moot point. It is impossible to have the experience of being the Federal Executive without being the federal executive. Palin's only argument falls flat on it's face.

"#4: You're the one who started that. I was responding to it."

Cool. Nevertheless, ethics investigations hurt candidates. John McCain and Sarah Palin wish they could make that investigation go away. Your ticket ain't gonna have cash value at the window.
 
Sarah Palin is a self described creationist. This is not up for debate and it has been reported by every major news network - CNN, Fox, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc., etc. Palin also advocates the teaching of creationism in classes.
Good for her. She has some good sense. The fact that you make this an article of ridicule does not impress me.

I've voted in every election since I became registered to vote while serving in the military in 1959. *I* decide who gets *MY* vote. You bet your ass I decide who's qualified and who isn't. The woman is an intellectual lightweight.
How does voting in every election qualify you to judge someone's qualifications? Heck, two bit crack whores can cast ballots. Ho hum, I don't give a crap if you cast a ballot for Thomas Freaking Jefferson - your arguments (which are nonexistent) are not convincing.

Dealing with polar bear issues isn't the kind of executive experience the presidential job entails. Citing "executive experience" for any side is a moot point. It is impossible to have the experience of being the Federal Executive without being the federal executive. Palin's only argument falls flat on it's face.
By your very standard, Obama can in no way be qualified.

Cool. Nevertheless, ethics investigations hurt candidates. John McCain and Sarah Palin wish they could make that investigation go away. Your ticket ain't gonna have cash value at the window.
I'll take Troopergate (which has already been debunked thoroughly) over Rezko and Ayers.

If you are interested in being intellectually honest about each candidate's flaws and strengths, then we can have a conversation. If you're trying to convince me to change my vote, you're FAILING epically. If you're just trying to argue for the sake of it, you're BORING me epically. Hurling talking points and insults won't get it, sport. As you can see, I've been around a bit myself.
 

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