The shoe is about to drop....

Marcus said:
But what evidence is there of Indonesian citizenship? None whatsoever. Only assertions.
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Gee, this might qualify as pretty good evidence.

And FYI, you needed to be an Indonesian citizen to get into the public schools there (those are the good ones, as opposed to the US where the public schools suck).

Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: Islam
Citizenship: Indonesian

I know. Barry's Mommy and Daddy lied on the form to fool the Indonesian government because they didn't want Barry to someday be disqualified for President of the United States.

Oh boy, yawn, time for beddyby.

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Marcus said:
And it will be, soon enough. Not that it'll make a damn bit of difference to Bryan and his flunkey friends. They'll just claim it's because the judge is a liberal or Obama's people got to him, or some other such bullsh!t.
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While I understand your skepticism, you're walking the borderline between skeptic and James Carville.

What if it's true? Would you accept it, or will you just claim it's a vast right wing conspiracy?
 
MonsterMark said:
Gee, this might qualify as pretty good evidence.

And FYI, you needed to be an Indonesian citizen to get into the public schools there (those are the good ones, as opposed to the US where the public schools suck).
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I thought he went to a radical Muslim madrassa. Or did you give up on that angle?

MonsterMark said:
Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: Islam
Citizenship: Indonesian

I know. Barry's Mommy and Daddy lied on the form to fool the Indonesian government because they didn't want Barry to someday be disqualified for President of the United States.
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Or perhaps they lied in order to fool the Indonesian government into thinking he actually was an Indonesian citizen so he could get an education. That's certainly a more plausible explanation. Or are you suggesting that he was born "Barry Soetoro" despite the fact that his mother wouldn't meet Lolo for at least another five years? This is the part I don't get.

Even if (and this is a long trip down the rabbit hole) his mother and stepfather somehow arranged for him to get Indonesian citizenship when he was six years old, it would have been fraudulent, since we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was born in Hawaii.
 
Wow, I thought you were an informed American.

Lolo Soetoro adopted "Barack" when he moved the family to Indonesia.

You can think all you want that Lolo, a former Army geologist and later government relations consultant would risk death by lying to the government on this application.

Put your tin foil hat back on. I think you are starting to get sunburn.

And yes, the school was a madrassa, and Obama prayed daily (and still does to this day I'm sure).
 
Now, what was it again that Hillary's people were gonna do at the convention?
 
Joeychgo said:
Now, what was it again that Hillary's people were gonna do at the convention?
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As Democrats, nothing. They are pussies.They will throw every conviction overboard in their lust for power.

Don't worry. McCain has picked a conservative female for running mate and this ball game is over.
 
I dont think ill hold my breath on this one...

Im not worried though. I havent made up my mind on who Ill be voting for yet.

However, this has me interested...

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Even the wacko lefties were kept 5 blocks from the convention. What did you expect to happen. Obama had the place in a police lock-down.
 
Um...Joey, please explain to me how people making less than $20k per year even pay taxes right now.

Your entire chart is suspect.

And look at the last line. That's an awful tax increase, especially for business owners to pay. Who do you think keeps this economy running?

Obama's tax plan discriminates, and fosters class warfare. Typical Marxism.

McCain's tax plan is fair, cuts for everybody. Let the gov do with less for a change.
 
I just said it interested me. Where do you get that I support Obama? ROFL - you guys are priceless.
 
fossten said:
Not if they don't have jobs.
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And if they don't have jobs, they don't have money to spend on Mr. Small Business's products and he goes under. Funny how that works isn't it?

Consumer demand drives the economy, period. Over 70 percent worth, in fact. When demand is flat or declining, what kind of fool is going to increase supply? The only thing tax cuts for the wealthy do in bad economic times is give them a bigger economic cushion while they ride out the storm.

Supply-side economics is a failure and a farce, and the biggest lie ever perpetrated on the American people. It looks good on paper but has never been shown to work in practice, despite all the talking points about Reagan, Friedman and Laffer. Bush Sr. was absolutely right to call it "voodoo economics".
 
Marcus said:
Consumer demand drives the economy, period. Over 70 percent worth, in fact. When demand is flat or declining, what kind of fool is going to increase supply? The only thing tax cuts for the wealthy do in bad economic times is give them a bigger economic cushion while they ride out the storm.
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Unless these wealth who get the tax cuts are hording that money under their matresses, that money is going back into the economy to create jobs, and stimulating the economy. Period.
 
Marcus said:
And if they don't have jobs, they don't have money to spend on Mr. Small Business's products and he goes under. Funny how that works isn't it?

Consumer demand drives the economy, period. Over 70 percent worth, in fact. When demand is flat or declining, what kind of fool is going to increase supply? The only thing tax cuts for the wealthy do in bad economic times is give them a bigger economic cushion while they ride out the storm.

Supply-side economics is a failure and a farce, and the biggest lie ever perpetrated on the American people. It looks good on paper but has never been shown to work in practice, despite all the talking points about Reagan, Friedman and Laffer. Bush Sr. was absolutely right to call it "voodoo economics".
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The only way you can ever prove this assertion is if you can somehow convince the government to get its super bazillions of tentacles out of the free market and see what happens. Until then I'll just assume you're full of crap.
 
fossten said:
Your entire chart is suspect.
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Who Pays Income Taxes? See Who Pays What

For Tax Year 2006

Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

Top 1% $388,806 39.89%

Top 5% $153,542 60.14%

Top 10% $108,904 70.79%

Top 25% $64,702 86.27%

Top 50% $31,987 97.01%

Bottom 50% <$31,987 2.99%

Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service

Don't let the little issue of facts get in the way of your facts.
 
Marcus said:
Supply-side economics is a failure and a farce, and the biggest lie ever perpetrated on the American people. It looks good on paper but has never been shown to work in practice, despite all the talking points about Reagan, Friedman and Laffer. Bush Sr. was absolutely right to call it "voodoo economics".
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Actually, supply side policies have been demonstratably show to work in practice.

On the other had, what democrat fiscal policies have been demonstratably show to work to the betterment of the economy? Tax increases? Price caps? what?

I think we have discussed this in another thread...
 
MonsterMark said:
Who Pays Income Taxes? See Who Pays What

For Tax Year 2006

Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

Top 1% $388,806 39.89%

Top 5% $153,542 60.14%

Top 10% $108,904 70.79%

Top 25% $64,702 86.27%

Top 50% $31,987 97.01%

Bottom 50% <$31,987 2.99%

Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service

Don't let the little issue of facts get in the way of your facts.
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And what should these numbers be in your ideal world?
 
Marcus said:
And what should these numbers be in your ideal world?
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Everybody pays the same percentage of their income into the system. Simple and ideal.

I could destroy the Democrat party.

I would force every American taxpayer to write a check every quarter for the taxes they owe; FICA, Medicare, Fed and State taxes and have them pay their employers share of the S.S. (6.2%) and the Medicare (1.45%) so they see where the other 7.65 goes, in addition to making them pay Unemployment Compensation.

The Dems would be out of business in a year.
 
MonsterMark said:
Everybody pays the same percentage of their income into the system. Simple and ideal.

I could destroy the Democrat party.

I would force every American taxpayer to write a check every quarter for the taxes they owe; FICA, Medicare, Fed and State taxes and have them pay their employers share of the S.S. (6.2%) and the Medicare (1.45%) so they see where the other 7.65 goes, in addition to making them pay Unemployment Compensation.

The Dems would be out of business in a year.
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What's implied by your post is that the Dems have to hide what they stand for, which is higher taxes and more gov control. If the Dems were totally honest about their platform, they wouldn't hold 20 seats in the House.
 
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