What would it take for a Mark to beat a 97 Camaro Z28SS

slowmkviii said:
I have never seen this here in MN but if it works and you don't mind the 4.30s I would have to say try it fonzieguy and tell us how it works for you.
But we have added 3.42s and a tune and ran a 13.7 on old tires in our z28 I love my mark but the z is faster w/ less money and parts. The tune was an obd1 ecu and programed in a grage.
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that car has kicked my ass sevreal times.

BTW I still need to drive that car, get the tranny fixed!:D
 
what kind of rpm would i be looking at for 80mph with 4.10 gears?
 
98LSC32V said:
You don't need a 100 shot. 4.10-4.30 gears, 3500 stall, full exhaust, tune, and sticky tires will smoke the average LT1. Heck I pull away from my buddies 94 Z28 auto from a 1st gear roll (35mph) he has a cold air intake and flows and I have a chip and exhaust and I slowly pull on him up to 100mph until I have 1-1.5 cars. From a stop he gets me though.
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Tell him to tune his car. I just ran at Cecil in not so great air, ran a 13.89 at 101.12 (best run of 5). Except for a 160 stat and CAI (worthless in my opinion) and a TB bypass (free mod) the car is stock, A4 with 3.23's. A 6spd should run faster. An LT1 losing to a stock gear Mark VIII means the LT1 is not running properly. I've seen LT1's with misfiring opti's running 15's before popping all the way down the track. My Mark VIII in better conditions ran a 14.651 at 97.21 at the same track, I made damn sure it was well tuned before I went.

To answer the original question, gears (at least 4.10's) and a converter should have you really close to the A4 LT1's. The 6spd cars will take a bit more. Forget about playing with LS1's without a power adder.
 
His LT1 is running properly, no it doesnt have a tune but the car is tuned up with new spark plug, fuel filter, new fuel pump, and the optispark is working fine. He runs a 14.3 at 95mph in the 1/4 mile with a K&N cai and a flowmaster catback. I ran a 14.6 at 97.3mph, since I trap higher that's why I pull from a roll, he gets the better 60 foot times though.
 
98LSC32V said:
His LT1 is running properly, no it doesnt have a tune but the car is tuned up with new spark plug, fuel filter, new fuel pump, and the optispark is working fine. He runs a 14.3 at 95mph in the 1/4 mile with a K&N cai and a flowmaster catback. I ran a 14.6 at 97.3mph, since I trap higher that's why I pull from a roll, he gets the better 60 foot times though.
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His car is slower than an average LT1 auto. Stock should run anywhere from 98-100 for an A4 (the 98 for 2.73 cars) running well, assuming good air. Good win for you though, a win is a win and excuses are for ricers.
 
Yea that's what they might run at your track but definitely not at mine. My friend's 97 Cobra with 4.10 gears, off road exhaust, pulleys, intake etc was only running 13.6 when there are guys with the same mods on the east coast running 13.0's with the same mods.
 
98LSC32V said:
Yea that's what they might run at your track but definitely not at mine. My friend's 97 Cobra with 4.10 gears, off road exhaust, pulleys, intake etc was only running 13.6 when there are guys with the same mods on the east coast running 13.0's with the same mods.
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So how are you running so quick with basically no mods on a gen II? Not a flame, just want to know since I have run in North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland and multiple tracks in Michigan on hundreds of passes over the last 15 years. Gen II's are generally slow as hell. I ran almost identical times stock but with good air at Cecil and with a Gen I. That Cobra here would be in the high 12's with a decent driver.
 
LT1 F-body cars are not that fast. A Mark VIII would need to make up around 5 to 7 tenths. 4.10s or a stall would get close, I think a 75 shot would put him away.
 
marked8 said:
So how are you running so quick with basically no mods on a gen II? Not a flame, just want to know since I have run in North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland and multiple tracks in Michigan on hundreds of passes over the last 15 years. Gen II's are generally slow as hell. I ran almost identical times stock but with good air at Cecil and with a Gen I. That Cobra here would be in the high 12's with a decent driver. Again, no flame, just an inquisitive mind wanting to know.
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You think my 14.62 is quick? Or are you talking about the 13.8 which I ran in my 95 LSC, not a gen 2? The problem with Mark VIII's is they don't get to use the 1:1 ratio of 3rd gear with stock gearing, once you put in some 4.30-4.56 you are deep into 3rd and run what the car is capable of. They are geared for the highway stock more than any other vehicle I know.
 
Soooo how close would i be to this camaro with 4.10 gears a chip and k&n air filter?
 
IMO, pretty damn close. The 4.10s will make the difference, the chip (depending on what chip we're talking about) and the air filter won't make much difference and your money is (also IMO) better spent elsewhere.
 
Cheapest way to beat him is to go find a car that has the same lug pattern and close offset steel wheel that comes in 14" or 15" with a smaller diameter tire than the Mark VIII. Find them in a junkyard. Spend $50 on the wheels and tires and now you just changed your gear ratio in the rear the cheap way :)
 
you may be right, I dont know, Im just throwing out quickie ideas for him to race the Z28. You can use 15's and put 35-40 series rubber on it and that will help you launch as well with the smaller wheel diameter.
 
Would 3.73 gears and an LMS chip be quite enough? Some people around here are of the opinion that nitrous is "cheating". At the same time 4.10 gears seem kind of high in the rpms for highway driving. I'm used to not hitting 2k rpm until i hit 80.
 
whats a slush box?
im talking about a 97 z28 if thats what your asking
 
Yeah its an auto, so what are we thinkin here, how will i be looking with 3.73 gears and a chip, also note I have already jmodded the car, and on a side note how hard is it to install 3.73 gears?
 
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