Where to start performance wise?

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Hey guys, I'm not much for a motorhead, so ill ask you all. I have a 2005 LS, and am looking to get some more umph out of it, is the best place to start a cold air intake? Or? If so, anyone recommend anything specific? Thank you. :) also, I'm cerious... if I put some money into this car. (V6 model) could it be a faster car? I know I could make it fast if I put serious money into it. But let's say I drop 1-3grand on performance, will it be noteably fast? Or still just, bleh?
 
best bang for the buck, a bottle,~750 I've seen thrown out there.
 
A bottle of? Are you talking about NoS? That isn't a constant performance though is it? Just burst?
 
Dont know much about it, but I'm pretty sure you can have it always one or just wen you want it, but you probably wouldn't want to use it for daily driving and all the time.


Very minimal gains from anything besides nos or forced induction.

If you're pockets are deep enough, get a turbo. You can start by getting an exhaust, cai, and a tune from torrie at fastparts for some cheaper "power" but its not going to be much. You'll feel the difference and you'll have sounds to aid your butt dyno gains, but its no where near the gains of a turbo, supercharger or nos.
 
Alax7 said:
Dont know much about it, but I'm pretty sure you can have it always one or just wen you want it, but you probably wouldn't want to use it for daily driving and all the time.

Very minimal gains from anything besides nos or forced induction.

If you're pockets are deep enough, get a turbo. You can start by getting an exhaust, cai, and a tune from torrie at fastparts for some cheaper "power" but its not going to be much. You'll feel the difference and you'll have sounds to aid your butt dyno gains, but its no where near the gains of a turbo, supercharger or nos.
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Just keep rubbing it in Alax.... ;P
 
Of course my pockets are deep enough, my LS is parked behind my MKS ;). How much am I looking to spend on a good Turbo? How much will that run me? Noticeable power difference ?
 
Wouldn't it be easier to just pick up a V8 version of the LS,
specifically the later models that have slightly more HPs ?

I mean, put a Turbo or NOS on a V6 if you'd like, your pockets !
 
Custom turbo kit, you'll need a lot of skill or a lot of money. Even then compromise becomes the word of the day. There is no advanced aftermarket out there for these like the Mustang crowd.

Either way I'd start with a V8. These engines are pretty efficient so they don't really respond to basic exhaust / cold air mods. I've done both, more for exhaust tone and to seal up my old intake tract. My seat of the pants meter didn't see a huge gain but at least my MPG's didn't drop either.
 
The 3.0 is a duratec and
can actually take more boost than what the jag motor can from what I've seen in other cars. For example the noble is a turbo duratec. But yes lots of money and custom work.
 
Stopsign002 said:
Just keep rubbing it in Alax.... ;P
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Just saying :cool:

BlackLS06 said:
The 3.0 is a duratec and
can actually take more boost than what the jag motor can from what I've seen in other cars. For example the noble is a turbo duratec. But yes lots of money and custom work.
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Brett said they hit or where close to 400wrhp on the manual gen1 he did a while back. Tha'ts why he thought he could easily get to 400 in mine, but I guess those little 6's are pretty solid, more than the 8's.
 
Montana said:
Of course my pockets are deep enough, my LS is parked behind my MKS ;). How much am I looking to spend on a good Turbo? How much will that run me? Noticeable power difference ?
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well if thats the case then go for that turbo. Prob spend around $7k.
 
if you have a welder and a junk yard around you could cobble together a bootleg turbo kit for around a G or two

Montana said:
Noticeable power difference ?
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that depends on how ballsy you want to be, at 5-6 PSI you would probably see about a third more power or so than what you have right now, if you get about 14-15 PSI you will double your power!
 
How does one change the PSI? Just a better turbo kit? Or?


I punched it on the way home, and got 0-100 in about 30 seconds, that seems rather slow. But then I checked online and saw a Porsche 996 Turbo doing 0-100 in 9.0 seconds


So 30 doesn't seem too bad :-P
 
yeah, actually, that peddle goes all the way down, you do know this right ?

0-100 in 30 seconds, sorry but you didn't punch it very well.

Thats a half a minute to get up to that speed ?

Check and see if there is something stuck underneath the peddle.



Lincoln LS 0 to 60 mph

2000 Lincoln LS V8 0-60 mph 7.3
2002 Lincoln LS V8 0-60 mph 7.8
2003 Lincoln LS V8 0-60 mph 6.7
2006 Lincoln LS V8 0-60 mph 6.7

so for the rest of 60-100 mph, you were doing what ?

try again.
 
Op, based on your question of how to increase boost, I highly suggest you Google "How turbochargers work". Learning the basic principles will probably help you get a foundation of what they do and how to make them do what they do. It could also help you understand the type of answers you may receive from those here who either have expertise, or the experience, to actually help you.
 
Well, he did say he's not much of a motor head... Google is going to be your friend because you have a lot of catching up to do before you start paying someone to turn wrenches for you.
 
Exactly. And those of us who have paid for custom work before know that being an informed customer(not a know it all customer) can help build a really good relationship with the right mechanic. Being a "throw money at it customer" will cause a lot of headaches with the wrong mechanic who really just wants money and cares nothing at all about quality results.
 
Montana said:
How does one change the PSI? Just a better turbo kit? Or?
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if set up right, it could be as easy as reaching over and turning up a knob (just like cranking up the volume on the stereo)
thats how it is setup on one of my co worker's dirtymaxx. there is a knob with 5 settings, 5 being labeled as "break sh1t mode" . and for good reason, at any time if he wants to find out what the weakest part on his truck is, set it to 5 and go drive, it wont take long to find out what the next part he needs to upgrade is.

the more common thing is to decide how much power you want to make, and design the system around that number, keep in mind the higher that number is, the more stuff you will need to have done to your motor to support that power. and cost is basically a function of power squared (x2) as the amount of power created/wanted, the cost of the job will increase exponentially.

Montana said:
I punched it on the way home, and got 0-100 in about 30 seconds, that seems rather slow. But then I checked online and saw a Porsche 996 Turbo doing 0-100 in 9.0 seconds
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dude, there is either something wrong with you car or your watch, most LS's run the 1/4 mile in about 15 seconds, at the end of that 1/4 mile, they should be doing above 90 MPH, those extra few MPH's needed should click off in a couple more seconds. my DD cavalier will get up to 100 mph in under 30 seconds.


or


you could time yourself going down the hill this time and see what it says.



Montana said:
So 30 doesn't seem too bad :-P
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yes it does
 
Alright, ill punch it again tomorrow upon further pedal inspection. If its the same speed, someone mentioned coils? What might that be?
 
Montana said:
Alright, ill punch it again tomorrow upon further pedal inspection. If its the same speed, someone mentioned coils? What might that be?
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Montana,
I just recently put a custom exhaust on my LS and directly thereafter,
I realized I have a slight misfire, that doesn't throw a dash light all the time.

when I push it hard I can get it too flash and read the code immediatly.

from what I've learned here and as I understand it, a marginal coil problem,
is not always reported untill it fully gives out.

This is causing my LS to bog down a little during hard accelleration.
In other words, one of the coils is bad and causing a misfire,
the misfire if most likely constant but not noticable untill under WOT.

I'm not getting the full potential of the engines ability right now,
and if I ignore the problem and keep running it like this, I will
eventually need new CAT's as well, as the unburned fuel from the
misfire is getting into the CATs and burning up in there, causing clogging.

all this misfiring will reduce performance and thus could leave me doing 0 -100 in 30 seconds.

Coils on the LS are individual coils on each spark plug, known as COP's
Coils Over Plug. it's the part that provides the ignition to the spark plugs.

They need to be replaced, all 8 of them, including the boots that seat them and the spark plugs themself.

this shoulds restore full power of the engines capabilities.

When I go to replace this, I have to remove the covers to get to the
Coils and plugs, Should I find oil in the spark plug wells, I then have a
different problem of replacing the valve cover gaskets.

leaking oil gets to the Coils and shorts them out sort of speak.

my CATs could be getting plugged, this will also reduce performance.

If you are only getting to 100Mph in 30 seconds, your LS is lacking power
and something needs to be addressed.

If you don't know when the Coils and Plugs were replaced last, its probably
a good bet to start thinking about a little TLC tune up.

Folks here will be more then please to assist you in getting up to speed.

~ let us know how you make out.

ps: also be sure to replace air intake filter and run only 91 or better octane fuel in the LS.
 
I'm running 85.5 :-O

I'm gonna replace air filter and oil today {not that the oil matters :P}

I still have half tank 85.5 in there, when it runs empty, ill start pumping the 91


Where does one go to get a TCL tuneup? What is that exactly anyway?
 
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